Argentina v Brazil

you're right on that. however it would help a lot IMO.

borocooper wrote:

todo_poderoso_timão wrote:I don't think so, afterall football is about winning.

but anyway I've never been anti-English and I'm a big fan of Rooney and other english players. but I have to admit I was disappointed at the English team in the WC. I thought they could reach the semis at least.

borocooper wrote:

todo_poderoso_timão wrote:maybe when England win a couple of WC's they will stop that.

borocooper wrote:

todo_poderoso_timão wrote:but if an English player had scored a goal like Kaká's against Argentina, there would be thounsands of threads about it. after all it's an english based forum.

Tweedledum wrote:Which Insua seriosuly fucked up.

If an English player had done that he would have had about 5 of his own threads by now with comments about the lack of English technique

then there'd be a thousand threads saying how over-rated the player is.

Wow, what a pointless remark

Fine.

However the amount of world cups we win doesnt make any difference to how good one of our players is

Tweedledum wrote:

Messiah wrote:

Tweedledum wrote:@ messiah

Last week you said:

'So I shall say Messi is better that Rooney in every department of his game, except for his long shoot'

Do you not think thats a bit of a sweeping comment?

Except his long shoot and physic and he has a little bit better decision making than messi but that’s just because he has been play for 2 year longer.

And heading.....

And tackling.....

And teamwork...

he is too short but will get better he scored a headed goal last season and with argentina's youth team

he is not trying to be a defender/ are english

need to watch more barca games.

Obispo wrote:

Tweedledum wrote:

Messiah wrote:

Tweedledum wrote:@ messiah

Last week you said:

'So I shall say Messi is better that Rooney in every department of his game, except for his long shoot'

Do you not think thats a bit of a sweeping comment?

Except his long shoot and physic and he has a little bit better decision making than messi but that’s just because he has been play for 2 year longer.

And heading.....

And tackling.....

And teamwork...

1) A fairly irrelevent attribute in a forward.

2) No, he's isn't better at teamwork. Messi's movement and passing within a team context is fantastic. It was seen again today, in particular for Zabaleta's chance that he squandered in the second half.

Saying Rooney is better at teamwork - and I'm not saying his overall team play isn't good - is foolish and usually something that's said just because he pops up in the fullback positions covering. Ultimately, that's not where you want your creative forward.

He expends more energy and tracks back more, but his teamwork isn't half as intelligent as Messi's, atleast not defensively. Messi is quick to attempt to close down the fullbacks or defensive midfielder - depending where he is on the pitch. He defends from the front. Rooney rushes back and follows the ball everywhere, leaving no support up top if there should be a break.

To add to that, re: teamwork. Rooney has had a consistent run in both Man. Utd. and England's teams with more or less the same personnel around him all the time. Messi has only just broken into Barca's team, and when he started playing regularly last season he got injured. Wait till he builds an understanding with Zambrotta/Belletti, and then you'll see. The tricks and movement with Etoo, Deco, Ronaldinho is already there and will be further improved.

someone pointed out that both messi an rooney are on the same level, i agree completely- said the same thing here last week.

Messi is a fantastic talent but he, just like rooney, is overhyped alot. He has one major problem at the moment ie he is always looking for the dribble, he doesn't know when and when not to do it. I remember watching him for barca last week, barca were 3-2 up with some minutes to go, instead of playing it simple and try to keep the ball in the team, he was constantly looking to go past people even if it wasn't necessary. But he is a young player, u expect him to improve all that as he gets older, that's what people should realise and give him time to grow instead of overhyping him.

Agooner wrote:someone pointed out that both messi an rooney are on the same level, i agree completely- said the same thing here last week.

Messi is a fantastic talent but he, just like rooney, is overhyped alot. He has one major problem at the moment ie he is always looking for the dribble, he doesn't know when and when not to do it. I remember watching him for barca last week, barca were 3-2 up with some minutes to go, instead of playing it simple and try to keep the ball in the team, he was constantly looking to go past people even if it wasn't necessary. But he is a young player, u expect him to improve all that as he gets older, that's what people should realise and give him time to grow instead of overhyping him.

Exactly

The teamwork comment was mostly aimed at the fact the Rooney nowadays doesn't try to run past at least noe player at every opportunity - last season he was beginning to really show the ability to pick out teammates in advanced positions - the fact he got ten assists and isn't even a set piece taker shows this!

i think for sure messi is better.right now he still needs to grow up a bit but his potential is very good.but to be honest i consider robinho to be as good.rooney is good too but i cant see that in the future that he wil be better then messi,or robinho.
the big thing messi is doing wrong is that he too many times tries to run through defences.this he will learn with time.but besides that he what is need to be a great nr 10.he is fast with ball in a way that very few are(not even dinho imo)he can shoot with precision in as way that i dont think rooney can(but he shoots way harder).and he is good tactical both offensive and defensive.

Wow! 3 of us say the same thing at the same time

queeers

all i can say to you all is watch more barca games. and you will see who truly good the Kid is.

and when argentina figure out how to use him. he will see he improvement in thier team as well

we KNOW he's good Messiah, he's just over-hyped, like Rooney.

borocooper wrote:we KNOW he's good Messiah, he's just over-hyped, like Rooney.

who isnt these days.have a good day against someone famous and you are made out to be the next god of football.the old days where everybody didnt know every player was better.

borocooper wrote:we KNOW he's good Messiah, he's just over-hyped, like Rooney.

It is just like today really. All the Barcelona fans saying he had a good game when really, he played like shite trying to take on too many people and did only one good thing all game (that through pass to the guy who backheeled it).

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:

borocooper wrote:we KNOW he's good Messiah, he's just over-hyped, like Rooney.

who isnt these days.

Emile Heskey

Tweedledum wrote:

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:

borocooper wrote:we KNOW he's good Messiah, he's just over-hyped, like Rooney.

who isnt these days.

Emile Heskey

fuck off hes awesome.

Ballack wrote:

Tweedledum wrote:

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:

borocooper wrote:we KNOW he's good Messiah, he's just over-hyped, like Rooney.

who isnt these days.

Emile Heskey

fuck off hes awesome.

Exactly!

Tweedledum wrote:

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:

borocooper wrote:we KNOW he's good Messiah, he's just over-hyped, like Rooney.

who isnt these days.

Emile Heskey

do you really want my to call arnaud in on this on

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:

borocooper wrote:we KNOW he's good Messiah, he's just over-hyped, like Rooney.

who isnt these days.

The Z0G. In fact there's loads of unhyped players outthere, you just need to know where to look... stay away from the media darling clubs.

Darren Bent too - can't beleive that the BBC barely mentioned the fact he was in the squad on Saturday.

TWATS

Tweedledum wrote:Darren Bent too - can't beleive that the BBC barely mentioned the fact he was in the squad on Saturday.

TWATS

I liked how they kept bringing up "Andrew Johnson"(who the hell calls him Andrew) saying he was close to the first team and basically ignored Bent.

Robinho -

shut it

I support Brazil only when we play against Argentina. The boys did very well today.

I´ve always defended Robinho. Believe me, the kid is pure talent. If he reaches his potential, he will be the the best player in the world. When I read somthings like "he failed ti impress in his first season, he is lightweight, he is a diver, etc", I never be bothered, just because those who say that have never watched him playing regularly for Santos.

I told you last month that Elano is a quality player. Now brazilian players playing in the eastern europe should move to a decent club from a top league. Elano, Jádson, Love, Carvalho, etc are wasting important years of their careers there.

The good news is that Dani Alves should be called up for the next brazilian match. According to the reporter, Dunga will watch the next Sevilla match just because of him.

Basile should stop calling up his friends from Boca like Bilos and Insua. They´re not good enough for Argentina.

Forgot

KEEP RONALDO AWAY FROM THE SELEÇÂO

This fat bastard only thinks about drinking, smoking, eating, women and money. He is a bad influence to anyone. Brazil must have someone really commited. Oliveira, Fred, Sóbis, etc, are good players.

sheva7 wrote:Forgot

KEEP RONALDO AWAY FROM THE SELEÇÂO

This fat bastard only thinks about drinking, smoking, eating, women and money. He is a bad influence to anyone. Brazil must have someone really commited. Oliveira, Fred, Sóbis, etc, are good players.

Was there supposed to be comma between 'eating' and 'women'?

Not if you can speak portuguese, because "eat women" (comer mulher) in portuguese can be translated as "fuck women" in english.

^^ lmao

Seems I'm the only one who still has faith in Ronaldo.

Sheva, who do you think should be Brazils new RB? Alvez, Cicinho, Micon? And what would you like the team to be?

Dani Alves for Sure

Gomes

Alves, Lúcio, Alex, Adriano

Gilberto, Edmilson, Kaká, Ronaldinho

Robinho, Fred

We need to find two young top dms...

and your favourite formation?

sheva7 wrote:Dani Alves for Sure

Gomes

Alves, Lúcio, Alex, Adriano

Gilberto, Edmilson, Kaká, Ronaldinho

Robinho, Fred

We need to find two young top dms...

and your favourite formation?

I'm not 100%, but I'm fairly sure Fernandinho played quite defensive for Shaktar last season. I'm not 100% sure though.

Renato maybe? Though he doesn't quite seem Brazil class, with all due respect to him.


Edit: Also, while I agree with Dani Alves and Adriano (You do mean the Sevilla one, right?), I would have Oliveira over Fred. But then, I don't watch much of Ligue 1.

------------Gomes
Cicinho--Lucio--Juan--Gilberto
------------Gilberto Silva---------
---Kaka-------Edmilson----Ronaldinho
---------Ronaldo(if fit)--------Robinho------

Sqaud:Ceni, Dida (thought he had a good WC), Alex, Alvez, Maxwell, Cris, Minero??, Carvalho, Elano, Fred, Olivera, Adriano (Inter)

The Adriano you picked is the one at Sevilla? I haven't seen much of him but isn't he a LW? Then again Cicinho/Alvez are similar I guess. Mancini and to a lesser extent Sobis (though I don't know much about him) should be/are knocking on the door.

IMO Alex can bide his time, until one of either Juan/Lucio retire/start to age. There's also Luisao & Capaca (sp)? Emerson is only 30, but he looks about cumbersome at the minute, not sure if Minero would do a better job...