Obispo wrote:He also set up Insua with a moment of brilliance that, if it had come in a brazilian shirt, would have been creamed over.
Messiah wrote:i don't think argentina is really to drop crespo yet he is the only true striker the have.
-----Messi--------Roman--------Tevez------
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should be the attack line up has the did in the 2nd half against serbia, at least until Cavanaghi comes good
La Saeta Rubia wrote:Cicinho ? did he play ?
La Saeta Rubia wrote:Cicinho ? did he play ?
Tweedledum wrote:La Saeta Rubia wrote:Cicinho ? did he play ?
He did - did quite well acutally - nothing of particular note though
Calidad wrote:Ronaldo is injured. And he's in a different league to Fred. If you want someone to stick it in the back of the net, then Ronaldo is your man. Robinho makes Brazil tick, and his omission is the main reason Brazil struggled in the WC, not Ronaldo.
I'm sorry but to say Messi is overhyped, and to then proclaim Rooney isn't, is so wrong. What he Rooney done for Enland or Utd in Europe for the last 2 seasons? Little to nothing. I've never seen anyone more anonymous than he was for two legs against Milan.
Messi has been incredible over the last year. A game where he wasn't that good (against a great side) and whereby none of his compatriots played any better, is hardly a cause to judge him. Rooney and Messi are both big talents. The real issue, has been how criminally underrated Robinho has been on this forum (and on the BBC) etc.
Tweedledum wrote:Messiah wrote:i don't think argentina is really to drop crespo yet he is the only true striker the have.
-----Messi--------Roman--------Tevez------
---------------------Crespo--------------
should be the attack line up has the did in the 2nd half against serbia, at least until Cavanaghi comes good
What about Palacio?
Calidad wrote:Ronaldo is injured. And he's in a different league to Fred. If you want someone to stick it in the back of the net, then Ronaldo is your man. Robinho makes Brazil tick, and his omission is the main reason Brazil struggled in the WC, not Ronaldo.
I'm sorry but to say Messi is overhyped, and to then proclaim Rooney isn't, is so wrong. What he Rooney done for Enland or Utd in Europe for the last 2 seasons? Little to nothing. I've never seen anyone more anonymous than he was for two legs against Milan.
Messi has been incredible over the last year. A game where he wasn't that good (against a great side) and whereby none of his compatriots played any better, is hardly a cause to judge him. Rooney and Messi are both big talents. The real issue, has been how criminally underrated Robinho has been on this forum (and on the BBC) etc.
Messiah wrote:Calidad wrote:Ronaldo is injured. And he's in a different league to Fred. If you want someone to stick it in the back of the net, then Ronaldo is your man. Robinho makes Brazil tick, and his omission is the main reason Brazil struggled in the WC, not Ronaldo.
I'm sorry but to say Messi is overhyped, and to then proclaim Rooney isn't, is so wrong. What he Rooney done for Enland or Utd in Europe for the last 2 seasons? Little to nothing. I've never seen anyone more anonymous than he was for two legs against Milan.
Messi has been incredible over the last year. A game where he wasn't that good (against a great side) and whereby none of his compatriots played any better, is hardly a cause to judge him. Rooney and Messi are both big talents. The real issue, has been how criminally underrated Robinho has been on this forum (and on the BBC) etc.
i thought so too, but i still think ronaldo should be dropped. but as long as robinho starts. it does matter who gets the nod with him. though i think it should be fred.
Messi and Robinho the best young players in the world i have been saying this consistently over the last 2 years
Tweedledum wrote:Calidad - last season Rooney got 16 goal and ten assists in the EPL.
Thats the problem with a lot of posters on here - judge players on ALL comps - not just the CL and a few international games.
Yes, Rooney had a poor CL last season but it wasn't as awful as people made out.
The Milan games the previous year, Rooney was 18 years old I think!
Messiah wrote:Tweedledum wrote:Calidad - last season Rooney got 16 goal and ten assists in the EPL.
Thats the problem with a lot of posters on here - judge players on ALL comps - not just the CL and a few international games.
Yes, Rooney had a poor CL last season but it wasn't as awful as people made out.
The Milan games the previous year, Rooney was 18 years old I think!
Rooney isn't onlt crap is the CL he is crap against the big boys in the prem too.
while Messi is the Man agianst the Big Boys in La liga and the CL
Tweedledum wrote:@ messiah
How many goals and assists did Messig get against the 'big boys' in the league and the CL then?
Obispo wrote:Tweedledum wrote:@ messiah
How many goals and assists did Messig get against the 'big boys' in the league and the CL then?
"stats don't tell the whole story".
Tweedledum wrote:Which Insua seriosuly fucked up.
If an English player had done that he would have had about 5 of his own threads by now with comments about the lack of English technique
todo_poderoso_timão wrote:but if an English player had scored a goal like Kaká's against Argentina, there would be thounsands of threads about it. after all it's an english based forum.Tweedledum wrote:Which Insua seriosuly fucked up.
If an English player had done that he would have had about 5 of his own threads by now with comments about the lack of English technique
borocooper wrote:todo_poderoso_timão wrote:but if an English player had scored a goal like Kaká's against Argentina, there would be thounsands of threads about it. after all it's an english based forum.Tweedledum wrote:Which Insua seriosuly fucked up.
If an English player had done that he would have had about 5 of his own threads by now with comments about the lack of English technique
then there'd be a thousand threads saying how over-rated the player is.
Tweedledum wrote:Obispo wrote:Tweedledum wrote:@ messiah
How many goals and assists did Messig get against the 'big boys' in the league and the CL then?
"stats don't tell the whole story".
So... surely the same can be said with Rooney
borocooper wrote:todo_poderoso_timão wrote:but if an English player had scored a goal like Kaká's against Argentina, there would be thounsands of threads about it. after all it's an english based forum.Tweedledum wrote:Which Insua seriosuly fucked up.
If an English player had done that he would have had about 5 of his own threads by now with comments about the lack of English technique
then there'd be a thousand threads saying how over-rated the player is.
Calidad wrote:@ Tweedlum
Rooney & Messi are both big talents, but I got the impression you don't think Messi deserves the acclaim he gets, but Rooney does? I was always more annoyed at people (N18WING and others) who slate Robinho. It's people like him, that make me so many want to watch football.
Argentina definitely miss Crespo & Cambiasso IMO. Rodriguez is also very important, and I'm still convinced that the Argies don't have a better RB than Zanetti. Sorin was impressive in the WC, but some seem to think his Intl career is over, so Heinze seems to be the best option.
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