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    does Germany now have the best strikers in the world ?

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    Post by Ä Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:21 pm

    I just looked at the Goal per Game stats for Germany

    Länderspiel-Quoten im Vergleich

    Miroslav Klose: 74 Spiele, 38 Tore, Quote: 0,51
    Lukas Podolski: 46 Spiele, 25 Tore, Quote: 0,54
    Kevin Kuranyi: 46 Spiele, 19 Tore, Quote: 0,41
    Mario Gomez: 9 Spiele 6 Tore, Quote: 0,66
    Gerd Müller: 62 Spiele, 68 Tore, Quote: 1,10

    VERY presentable

    if there is ONE country in the world that can compete with those stats , let us know, or shut up for eternity

    step forward Brazil, Argentia, Holland, France, Portugal, Spain, England or Italy

    show us what you've got

    lol!

    the only country that could compare with our firepower is Peru with Pizarro, Guerrero and Farfan

    wahre G

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    Post by Super Progress Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:32 pm

    Though im sure you are impressed with that strikerforce it doesnt really scare me too much.none of those strikers seems great to me and only Klose is smart enough to take on a good side. though it might not matter because Germanys strenght lies their teamwork and not the individuelle.
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    Post by Ä Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:35 pm

    Supermadrid wrote: Germanys strenght lies their teamwork and not the individuelle.

    silly cliche that the stats above seem to disprove once and for all

    it's the individual brilliance that is now our strength TOGETHER with a strong team-spirit and mentality

    but man for man

    which county can compare these days up front Question
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    Post by Machiavel Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:39 pm

    RVN for one has a better Goal to Game ratio than Klose Ale
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    Post by Axeslammer Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:50 pm

    David Healy : 34 goals in 64 games for Northern Ireland !

    Best striker *ever* Wink
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    Post by Kroos Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:19 am

    Supermadrid wrote: Germanys strenght lies their teamwork and not the individuelle.

    of course, teamwork is very impportant to win a tournament, but we have individual class too

    technically german players miles ahead of english players and in the same league to italien and french, we dont have players like ribery, they are the special players with there technique

    spanish are toooo technical, and no one can win trophies only with technique, they lack of everything else
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:55 am

    Who cares about international stats?

    If you can beat teams 14-0 then it kinda makes any statistics irrelevant.

    How about looking at a more comparable stat, say goals in the CL?

    How many goals have German strikers scored in the CL this season?
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    Post by Kroos Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:01 am

    aaron hunt 1 goal
    gomez 3 goals
    kuranyi 3 goals

    rooney 3 goals


    i think he is the only english striker who plays in the CL
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:04 am

    Toni Kroos wrote:aaron hunt 1 goal
    gomez 3 goals
    kuranyi 3 goals

    rooney 3 goals

    i think he is the only english striker who plays in the CL

    Crouchinho plays for Liverpool remember.

    Hunt, Gomez and Kuranyi - all your archetypal German surname king
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    Post by Kroos Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:09 am

    Tweedle wrote:
    Toni Kroos wrote:aaron hunt 1 goal
    gomez 3 goals
    kuranyi 3 goals

    rooney 3 goals

    i think he is the only english striker who plays in the CL

    Crouchinho plays for Liverpool remember.

    Hunt, Gomez and Kuranyi - all your archetypal German surname king

    Laughing i dont care Wink
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:18 am

    Tweedle wrote:
    Toni Kroos wrote:aaron hunt 1 goal
    gomez 3 goals
    kuranyi 3 goals

    rooney 3 goals

    i think he is the only english striker who plays in the CL

    Crouchinho plays for Liverpool remember.

    Hunt, Gomez and Kuranyi - all your archetypal German surname king

    Depends on your definition of German name. Given that alone 20-25% of surnames in Germany are of Slavic origin, it might cause you some difficulties to find a lot of archetypal Germanic surnames.
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:23 am

    Well to me Gomez and Kuranyi sound South American and Hunt sounds English but what do I know....

    In contrast names like Kahn, Deisler, Muller, Ballack, Frings and Lahm all sound very much German.
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    Post by SuperMario Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:25 am

    We'll see how they do at a big tournament against tough opposition.

    In the last 5 major tournament the only wins against top opposition Germany had was the very good win v Argentina last WC & beating Mexico in 1988.
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:39 am

    Tweedle wrote:Well to me Gomez and Kuranyi sound South American and Hunt sounds English but what do I know....

    In contrast names like Kahn, Deisler, Muller, Ballack, Frings and Lahm all sound very much German.

    The surname Ballack is of West Slavic origin. Like a lot of names that derieve from regions East of the Elbe. City names like Berlin or Dresden are of Slavic origin as well. It's just very silly to judge the Germanness of someone by the sound of his/her surname.

    Not to mention that Gomez, Hunt, Kuranyi are German born or German by birth right.
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:42 am

    Who are the oppositions that Gomez has scored against at International level?
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:49 am

    CL Lyon (2) and Glasgow Rangers

    DFB San Marino (2), Austria, Switzerland (3)


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    Post by SuperMario Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:53 am

    During qualification he scored twice, both in a 6-0 win v San Marino. Think all his other goals are from friendlies.

    BTW I rate Gomes.
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    Post by Isco Benny Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:54 am

    Toni Kroos wrote:
    Supermadrid wrote: Germanys strenght lies their teamwork and not the individuelle.

    of course, teamwork is very impportant to win a tournament, but we have individual class too

    technically german players miles ahead of english players and in the same league to italien and french, we dont have players like ribery, they are the special players with there technique

    spanish are toooo technical, and no one can win trophies only with technique, they lack of everything else

    You live in a dream world. Joe Cole is infinitely better technically then Michael Ballack. Ask any Chelsea supporter. Infact, none of your midfielders are miles better technically then he.

    Rio ferdinand and Jonny Woodgate are technically better than any of your defenders.

    And furthermore, Rooney is a gifted technically as any of your strikers.

    Germany aren't Brazil- your strengths aren't your technical players. So this statement is bull.

    I will agree on one thing though - you have better technical fullbacks. England has long suffered from fullbacks like Wes Brown, Carragher etc. who just arent comfortable on the ball. And too many box to box midfielders who lack refinement.

    That doesnt mean technical players dont exist- Le Tissier, Hoddle, Carrick are just examples of the technical English players who get overlooked at international leve.
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    Post by SuperMario Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:00 pm

    Makes no sense comparing a winger with a power midfielder. You should compare Joe Cole with Schweinsteiger; Ballack should be compared to Stevie G.

    Both England & Germany have technically skilled players. They'll both never be top of the world in this area (average skill of the entire team), but there are lots of other things that determine who wins a footy match/ who is the best footballer.
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:06 pm

    De Guzman wrote:Makes no sense comparing a winger with a power midfielder. You should compare Joe Cole with Schweinsteiger; Ballack should be compared to Stevie G.

    Both England & Germany have technically skilled players. They'll both never be top of the world in this area (average skill of the entire team), but there are lots of other things that determine who wins a footy match/ who is the best footballer.

    True! ok

    As replacement for Schweinsteiger I take J. Cole but he isn't technically superior to Ballack let alone to Schneider. And if you think Mertesacker is technically inferior to any of your defenders Berniebärchen, then you are a lost cause. Sad
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    Post by SuperMario Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:10 pm

    Technical ability involves a lot of different skills. Joe Cole's first touch and groundskills are better than Ballacks (doesn't mean Ballack is shite in that area). But if we talk about say heading (a skill often ignored in comparisons) Ballack wins hands down. Anyway totally different players.

    Lots of players became worldclass 'without being skilled'. Gullit is NOT rated as skilled in Holland (he doesn't rate his own ballskills either, compared to skill-merchants). Was a great header though. Could shoot very well (skill too)

    Inzaghi can't do f@ck all with a ball. But, he scores when it matters, so he is worldclass.
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:15 pm

    Technical and technique are getting confused here.

    Technique refers to the way in which a ball is struck. Juninho of Lyon has fantastic tecnhique for instance, as did Rivaldo.

    I'd say Ballack's technique is superior to Joe Cole's.

    Technically though (which generally covers dribbling, ball control, flair) I think Joe Cole is superior to Ballack.

    Joe Cole is very underrated actually, probably because he plays for Chelsea.
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:43 pm

    De Guzman wrote:During qualification he scored twice, both in a 6-0 win v San Marino. Think all his other goals are from friendlies.

    BTW I rate Gomes.

    Btw. Huntelaar now has a better goal to game ratio than the likes of Kuyt + Van Persie at international level, this could actually highlight another problem apart from RVN + Huntelaar does Holland even have another ‘out and out striker’ (I know RVP + Kuyt are not played in that role .. but they are Forwards nonetheless) yes there is JVOH but he is normally used as a super sub and Koevermans hardly is getting a chance.
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    Post by Protheus Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:06 pm

    Strikers...Portugal...errrr....hummm...

    Let's talk about wingers instead Rolling Eyes
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    Post by DS Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:07 pm

    Protheus wrote:Strikers...Portugal...errrr....hummm...

    Let's talk about wingers instead Rolling Eyes
    What is exactly the problem.
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    Post by Isco Benny Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:07 pm

    Ballhaeschen wrote:
    De Guzman wrote:Makes no sense comparing a winger with a power midfielder. You should compare Joe Cole with Schweinsteiger; Ballack should be compared to Stevie G.

    Both England & Germany have technically skilled players. They'll both never be top of the world in this area (average skill of the entire team), but there are lots of other things that determine who wins a footy match/ who is the best footballer.

    True! ok

    As replacement for Schweinsteiger I take J. Cole but he isn't technically superior to Ballack let alone to Schneider. And if you think Mertesacker is technically inferior to any of your defenders Berniebärchen, then you are a lost cause. Sad

    Actually, Cole isnt really a winger at all. He plays there because he can, but as a youth player he was a central midfielder, and a lot of people in football as well as those who watch it would agree his best position would be more central as a playmaker. A dearth of left wingers is how he ended up playing the position for England.

    And the mere statement that Cole would make a "good replacement" for Schweinsteiger has me chuckling to myself Ball. Certainly good to see German humour is alive and well Biggrin

    I agree that Mertesacker is a very accomplished defender on the ball. I would certainly put him alongside Woodgate, Rio and King, who are all excellent footballers (and played in midfield in the past because of it). But not above them. Certainly not "miles better" as Toni the Tiger Kroos puts it.

    As DG says, neither nation is renowned for producing dazzling technical footballers. Strengths lie elsewhere. Germany's strengths are simple: their ability is dictated by their haircuts (and moustaches) in a Samson style fashion. Notice how badly Ballack was playing when he had a skinhead. Now he has regrown his Teuton barnet, he career has taken an upturn too. The best German footballers had the biggest hair. Its obvious: if Germany want to win Euro 2008, they must return to their permed afro roots. Literally <Ale>
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    Post by Axeslammer Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:39 pm

    Markus wrote:
    De Guzman wrote:During qualification he scored twice, both in a 6-0 win v San Marino. Think all his other goals are from friendlies.

    BTW I rate Gomes.

    Btw. Huntelaar now has a better goal to game ratio than the likes of Kuyt + Van Persie at international level, this could actually highlight another problem apart from RVN + Huntelaar does Holland even have another ‘out and out striker’ (I know RVP + Kuyt are not played in that role .. but they are Forwards nonetheless) yes there is JVOH but he is normally used as a super sub and Koevermans hardly is getting a chance.

    As usual Makaay is overlooked Wink

    But it is true that when the RVN generation (including Makaay, Kluivert & Hasselbaink) calls it a day, we're left without a single suitable striker.

    Kuyt & RVP are no strikers, Koevermans isn't anywhere near good enough.

    Leaves us with "crowbar" Vennegoor of Hesselink and Klaas-Jan "Pippo Inzaghi" Huntelaar...

    Looking at the U23 where they have to play Sno upfront as striker, it seems that we're gonna have a problem in the future.

    I'd all get very big Stef Nijland fans if I were you cheers
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    Post by SuperMario Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:55 pm

    Foppe ain't God. Just because he plays Sno up front, doesn't mean we don't have better strikers.
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:46 pm

    Senor Woody wrote:
    Ballhaeschen wrote:
    De Guzman wrote:Makes no sense comparing a winger with a power midfielder. You should compare Joe Cole with Schweinsteiger; Ballack should be compared to Stevie G.

    Both England & Germany have technically skilled players. They'll both never be top of the world in this area (average skill of the entire team), but there are lots of other things that determine who wins a footy match/ who is the best footballer.

    True! ok

    As replacement for Schweinsteiger I take J. Cole but he isn't technically superior to Ballack let alone to Schneider. And if you think Mertesacker is technically inferior to any of your defenders Berniebärchen, then you are a lost cause. Sad

    Actually, Cole isnt really a winger at all. He plays there because he can, but as a youth player he was a central midfielder, and a lot of people in football as well as those who watch it would agree his best position would be more central as a playmaker. A dearth of left wingers is how he ended up playing the position for England.

    And the mere statement that Cole would make a "good replacement" for Schweinsteiger has me chuckling to myself Ball. Certainly good to see German humour is alive and well Biggrin

    Schweinsteiger is no winger either, more of a CM/LM. Tbh, I would take J. Cole over Schweinsteiger any day, he would suit our midfield perfectly. Schweini has been a liability for years now, and I don't expect that to change anytime soon. f@ck, the DFB should have tried to poach Herrn Cole. Who knows, maybe he has some very distant relatives from Germany. Wink

    Was Cole ever used as a CM for England? A midfield with him, Hargreaves, Bentley and someone else (Young???) would be interesting to see. And it can't be more dire than your current set-up. That's for sure. Razz


    As DG says, neither nation is renowned for producing dazzling technical footballers. Strengths lie elsewhere. Germany's strengths are simple: their ability is dictated by their haircuts (and moustaches) in a Samson style fashion. Notice how badly Ballack was playing when he had a skinhead. Now he has regrown his Teuton barnet, he career has taken an upturn too. The best German footballers had the biggest hair. Its obvious: if Germany want to win Euro 2008, they must return to their permed afro roots. Literally <Ale>

    lol!

    Could be a good advice for Bernd Schneider, who's completely out of form at the moment. If it helps him to find back to his old self, then I wouldn't mind encouraging him to regrow a mullet and moustache.

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    Post by Kroos Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:31 am

    omg what a haircut, even today his hairs horrible

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