Anti-Semitism and Islamaphobia

EMP wrote:Mido certainly took offence to it and like I said earlier he may well have personl history that we don't know about. Egypt has had a long history of problems with Islamic fundamentalism dating back to the times Gamel Abdel Nasser. The first leader of an Islamic fundamentalist party was executed by Nasser. Anwar Sadat Nasser's successor was murdered by them. There have been numerous atrocities under the Mubarak elective dictatorship. Is that unlikely that Mido's family could have been caught up in this violence somewhere and that he therefore reacts badly to such suggestions?

And as you say Hadji has far greater resemblance to Reid than Mido.

Mido should get thicker skin. He's a man that is paid millions to play every now and then, and barely train by the looks of him, and we're supposed to feel sorry for him because he can't take a joke? Surely people have better things to worry about than a pampered millionaires feelings.

The murder of family memers is hardly a joke that requires thicker skin. If that is why he reacts most of us would do the same. I'm not saying that is the reason he reacted. I'm saying it could be and if it is then it is understandable that he took offence.

Top lawyers and judges are overpaid too, why don't they get heckled at work too. To Arab players and Muslims in particular this can be seriously offensive. There are other insults Arabs get. Ask the Dutch posters. Any Moroccan regularly gets sheep-related comments. They ignore it if theyeven hear it, but ask them about this and you get a different reaction.

Besides regarding the Mido incident if nothing was wrong with it why did Newcastle apologise?

EMP wrote:The murder of family memers is hardly a joke that requires thicker skin. If that is why he reacts most of us would do the same. Top awyers and judges are overpaid too, why don't they get heckled at work too. To Arab players and Muslims in particular this can be seriously offensive. There are other insults Arabs get. Ask the Dutch posters. Any Moroccan regularly gets sheep-related comments.

Besides regarding the Mido incident if nothing was wrong with it why did Newcastle apologise.

No $h!t, but you've just speculated that his family members have been murdered, you've just made it up. I know asian people and i make terrorist jokes with them, they aren't sensitive about it. Why did Newcastle apologise? PR, people hear a joke about race and they immediately go for their placards. People apologise for everything these days. The man needs to get a grip, hundreds of players have far more offensive $h!t thrown at them and no one cares. What about people chanting "the baby's not yours" at Gerrard? Is that not more offensive? I would say so.

Kimbo wrote:

EMP wrote:The murder of family memers is hardly a joke that requires thicker skin. If that is why he reacts most of us would do the same. Top awyers and judges are overpaid too, why don't they get heckled at work too. To Arab players and Muslims in particular this can be seriously offensive. There are other insults Arabs get. Ask the Dutch posters. Any Moroccan regularly gets sheep-related comments.

Besides regarding the Mido incident if nothing was wrong with it why did Newcastle apologise.

No $h!t, but you've just speculated that his family members have been murdered, you've just made it up. I know asian people and i make terrorist jokes with them, they aren't sensitive about it. Why did Newcastle apologise? PR, people hear a joke about race and they immediately go for their placards. People apologise for everything these days. The man needs to get a grip, hundreds of players have far more offensive $h!t thrown at them and no one cares. What about people chanting "the baby's not yours" at Gerrard? Is that not more offensive? I would say so.

I didn't say they had been murdered. I said they might have been because of events in Egypt historically. I didn't make anything up. I didn't say that was the reason I said if. If Mido had been targeted for being a fat, unfit, pampered headcase it would have been accurate. Offence depends on how a comment is taken and possibly why. And some comments Beckham has had over the years are more offensive than the Gerrard one.

If fans are allowed to heckle, abuse, whatever you want to call it then Mido's response should be acceptable too. Why should he have been booked for making a shhh gesture? Is that any different to cupping your hands to your ears. What PR do Newcastle get from apologising. If fan reaction like yours are anything to go by apologising is a PR disaster to you, so doesn't apologising alienate their fan-base?

He's well within his rights to make a gesture back, but don't start up a anti-racism campaign because of a fucking joke. It was needed in the 80s because black players were getting constant abuse, here though 1 player has had a chant made up about him because he looks like a famous terrorist - i know you say he doesn't but i and many others would disagree, if they had the same facial hair they would look like twins.

The PR Newcastle get is damage limitation, they come across as socially aware etc. Not to me, but to sponsors, the media etc. The general public i'll bet couldn't care less about Mido and whether he was offended by this quite tame joke. And yes it is tame, because it's not personal in the slightest, unlike some of the stuff that is thrown at other players. Unless ofcourse, like you say, his family was murdered by terrorists.

Kimbo wrote:He's well within his rights to make a gesture back, but don't start up a anti-racism campaign because of a fucking joke. It was needed in the 80s because black players were getting constant abuse, here though 1 player has had a chant made up about him because he looks like a famous terrorist - i know you say he doesn't but i and many others would disagree, if they had the same facial hair they would look like twins.

The PR Newcastle get is damage limitation, they come across as socially aware etc. Not to me, but to sponsors, the media etc. The general public i'll bet couldn't care less about Mido and whether he was offended by this quite tame joke. And yes it is tame, because it's not personal in the slightest, unlike some of the stuff that is thrown at other players. Unless ofcourse, like you say, his family was murdered by terrorists.

I take it you don't mean identical twins then

It may not seem a personal offence, but for some reason Mido took it personally. I think there is a bit of making up going on with this initiative. Mido should not have been booked for what he did. Apparently the ref was not aware of the comments aimed at Mido. The player cited it in his appeal, but even then the yellow card was not rescinded. You say Mido needs a thicker skin. Well if that is true then the FA and ref are saying Newcastle fans and fans in general have even thinner skins. How the f@ck is a shh gesture likely to incite the crowd. That is the most ridiculous decision of the day only challenged by the ridiculous decision of the FA to uphold it. I suspect there is an element of trying to make that up to Mido behind this measure, although I think they really are very concerned about the anti-Jewish racism, but were scared that if they didn't include Islamaphobia it would offend Muslims. Absurd really because the refusal to allow the Palestine Under-19 team to come to England last year is a perfectexample of a balancing campaign of interest to Muslims and it should interest any genuine football fan. Israel's treatment of Palestinian football is beyond outrageous.

Clergyman Supertramp wrote:Ghaly keeps his underpants on when he is showering, he says he does that cause he is a moslim, others say he does it because he has a very small penis.

A lot of people will agree with what I'm about to say but don't like to say it:

How is Mido being called a "sand-nigger" or a "dune-coon" by fans any worse than me calling Rob Styles a "boss-eyed cunt" ?