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    Post by Batman Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:06 pm

    Where did it all go wrong, who is to blame?

    • Wenger playing a weakend team against Tottenham in the semi-finals of the Carling Cup. Tottenham 5-1 Arsenal (Spurs win 6-2 on aggregate)

    • Adebayor headbutting Bendtner during a game

    • Selling Diarra in January

    • Not signing anyone in the January transfer window

    • Wenger playing a weakend team again in a cup competition, this time against Man Utd in the 5th round of the Fa Cup. Man Utd 4-0 Arsenal

    • The injury to Eduardo

    • Gallas crying at the end of the Birmingham game

    • Adebayor getting his hair cut

    • Luck with injuries

    • Referring decisions

    • Team selection, e.g. Senderos at CB

    ?
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:07 pm

    I knew you were gonna bump this thread you c**t.
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    Post by Batman Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:08 pm

    Batglenn™️ wrote:I knew you were gonna bump this thread you c**t.

    i made this thread

    you are the one that bumped it Very Happy
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:09 pm

    Well I was half right.
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    Post by Batman Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:10 pm

    It takes one to know one.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:12 pm

    I'll bear that in mind next time I read one of your 'opinions' on footballers.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:21 pm

    What?

    Oh.

    wave
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    Post by Batman Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:53 pm

    cheers
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    Post by Super Progress Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:09 am

    One thing they were disussing in our football studio was how when Ferguson went through a period of not winning any of the 2 big titles the press got his back about him going but there hasnt been the same debate about Wenger who will prob now 4 seasons without getting a big trophy. imo that simply doesnt cut it for a big club but then again i cant see who they would get instead.
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    Post by Batman Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:06 am

    When we went trophyless after outplaying Arsenal in the FA Cup final, the following season SAF took the League Cup, which we won, seriously because he wanted the young players/new signings in the squad to know what it feels like to win something. The next season we won the league.

    imo, Wenger should have tried his hardest to win the league cup this season.

    the Arsenal board are not going to sack Wenger because he makes them money, by getting Arsenal in the champions league and not spending big on players.
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    Post by santiago90c Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:17 am

    Batman wrote:
    Where did it all go wrong, who is to blame?



    [*]Gallas crying at the end of the Birmingham game


    ?

    Obviously, that's the real reason
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    Post by Torrente Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:22 am

    I would say that once again, it has been Wenger's arrogance that has cost Arsenal. He's a great coach and everything, but refusing to buy more players with the squad he had when given the funds was plain idiotic. I was one of the people who thought Arsenal would fall apart at some point, though I concede that it happened much later than I thought.

    I also think that Wenger's stupidity was camouflaged by the "explosion" of certain players that could have easily not taken place this season. If Flamini, Adebayor, and Hleb had not improved to the level they have Wenger would look like an even bigger idiot.

    Some might say that their improvement is just a testament about Wenger's vision as a coach, and that may be true to some extent, but I still think it was stupid for Wenger to take such a risk. But once again, at least Wenger can use the excuse that he doesn't spend as much as the other big 4 coaches.

    This weekend's ManU-Arsenal tie will be amazing though. Arsenal desperately need to win this to at least save some pride after being on track for their third consecutive season without a title. And who knows, they could end up winning the league after that.
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:47 am

    Supermadrid wrote:One thing they were disussing in our football studio was how when Ferguson went through a period of not winning any of the 2 big titles the press got his back about him going but there hasnt been the same debate about Wenger who will prob now 4 seasons without getting a big trophy. imo that simply doesnt cut it for a big club but then again i cant see who they would get instead.

    He is the ultimate Teflon Don. The Saf criticism was unreal the second half of the 2005/2006 season and the summer before the 2006/2007 season.

    Wenger seems to have all the press on his side though, whilst Saf treats alot of them with contempt.
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    Post by Ä Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:14 am

    I have said it many times

    Wenger is utterly hopeless

    in fact

    Wenger = Schaaf

    attractive football that leads nowhere yet nobody complains since everybody believes they have a genius for a manager

    ironically, both Wenger and SChaaf are almost unsackable as well

    both are given eons of time to build a team: ZERO pressure to do something silly or else

    Wenger and Schaaf are the most overrated club managers in Europe right now


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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:19 am

    Batman wrote:
    Where did it all go wrong, who is to blame?

    • Wenger playing a weakend team against Tottenham in the semi-finals of the Carling Cup. Tottenham 5-1 Arsenal (Spurs win 6-2 on aggregate)

    It wasn't a weakened team, because their youngsters are apparently better than anyone else 'outside the top four'. So better than Spurs, who've been mid table in the league this year.

  • Adebayor headbutting Bendtner during a game

  • And the FA did nothing, yet apparently there's some big conspiracy of officials against Arsenal this season...

  • Selling Diarra in January

  • Left with no choice since he's an absolute dickwad and not as good a player as he thinks he is.

  • Not signing anyone in the January transfer window

  • Classic Wenger - he'd rather get plaudits for losing trophies while playing 18 year olds than he would winning trophies by actually buying experienced and talented players.

  • Wenger playing a weakend team again in a cup competition, this time against Man Utd in the 5th round of the Fa Cup. Man Utd 4-0 Arsenal

  • Man U's team was weaker than Arsenals in that fixture, and they threw on their best players to try to rescue the result (as against Spurs in the CC).

  • The injury to Eduardo

  • The week before he was lucky not to injure someone else in the same way, and a month after Diaby was incredibly lucky not to injure someone else in the same way. No doubt the injury affected Arsenal, but they tackle like that just as much as anyone.

  • Gallas crying at the end of the Birmingham game

  • A result of Arsenal's ineptitude rather than a cause of it.

  • Adebayor getting his hair cut

  • Made a world of difference.

  • Luck with injuries

  • Toure, Gallas, Fabregas, Hleb and Adebayor have all been fit pretty much all season. They've had good luck with injuries, if anything. And don't bring up Van Rapist because he's always been a crock.

  • Referring decisions

  • Mostly went in their favour. No significant ones went against them.

  • Team selection, e.g. Senderos at CB

  • ?

    Senderos being bloody useless was the mistake. Picking him merely an afterthought.


    Arsenal are fucked for three reasons:
    1) Wenger's arrogance and failure to admit his own limitations and mistakes
    2) A smaller squad than those they are directly competing with, though they've got the money to buy so they have no excuses there
    3) The wrong attitude - constantly complaining and blaming others, forever choking when it comes to the biggest games, always blaming referees and other teams roughing them up, frequently hyping themselves up and believing they have a right to win just by turning up and playing a couple of well angled 10 yard passes.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:21 am

    Batman wrote:Team selection, e.g. Senderos at CB
    and toure at RB

    with the exception of the last goal all 4 goals were down to either senderos or toure

    emirates, toure far to square on so v easy for gerrard to go past him

    anfield, senderos missing in action, hyypia unmarked. senderos gives torres way too much space (partly cos he'd have gone over like a sack of sh¡t mind), torres scores. toure out of position falls into the back of the red nose tw@t. game over.

    IF the arsenal board had any desire to actually win trophies they should be doing a lot of sole searching and start thinking about appointing a winner as a manager not a loser
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    Post by Roger Hunt Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:23 am

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote: senderos gives torres way too much space (partly cos he'd have gone over like a sack of sh¡t mind), torres scores.

    So as we've been telling you Frank, Torres is a good striker and hard for defenders to play against. ok

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote: toure out of position falls into the back of the red nose tw@t. game over.

    Didn't see SAF on the pitch last night?
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:26 am

    torres has been a v lucky striker this season imho, he will get found out next and wont get anywhere near as many goals
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    Post by Roger Hunt Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:30 am

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:torres has been a v lucky striker this season imho, he will get found out next and wont get anywhere near as many goals

    I am very surprised to hear you say that Frank Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:39 am

    Parks lives wrote:
    Supermadrid wrote:One thing they were disussing in our football studio was how when Ferguson went through a period of not winning any of the 2 big titles the press got his back about him going but there hasnt been the same debate about Wenger who will prob now 4 seasons without getting a big trophy. imo that simply doesnt cut it for a big club but then again i cant see who they would get instead.

    He is the ultimate Teflon Don. The Saf criticism was unreal the second half of the 2005/2006 season and the summer before the 2006/2007 season.

    Wenger seems to have all the press on his side though, whilst Saf treats alot of them with contempt.

    To be fair though, Fergie's net spent was approx £200 billion at that time, while Wenger's playground overcoat recruitment and overripe Spanish export policy finds him very thrifty by comparison.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:39 am

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:torres has been a v lucky striker this season imho, he will get found out next and wont get anywhere near as many goals

    lol! lol! lol! lol!

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:43 am

    It's always the money excuse, even when he actually has money to spend but won't.

    Plus the 2005/2006 and 2006/2007 seasons we didn't spend that much at all.

    Park, van der Sar, Vidic & Evra in the 2005/2006 seasons for about £18 - 20 million, not including players sold.

    Just Carrick & Foster in the 2006/2007 season for around £18 - 20 million again but we sold van Nistelrooy and recieved a large lump sum for Mikel going to Chelsea.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:49 am

    Batglenn™️ wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:
    Supermadrid wrote:One thing they were disussing in our football studio was how when Ferguson went through a period of not winning any of the 2 big titles the press got his back about him going but there hasnt been the same debate about Wenger who will prob now 4 seasons without getting a big trophy. imo that simply doesnt cut it for a big club but then again i cant see who they would get instead.

    He is the ultimate Teflon Don. The Saf criticism was unreal the second half of the 2005/2006 season and the summer before the 2006/2007 season.

    Wenger seems to have all the press on his side though, whilst Saf treats alot of them with contempt.

    To be fair though, Fergie's net spent was approx £200 billion at that time, while Wenger's playground overcoat recruitment and overripe Spanish export policy finds him very thrifty by comparison.

    lol!
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    Post by SuperMario Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:54 am

    I expected a tropheeless season, so I'm not disappointed. Think we did very well this season, especially taking injuries to key players into account. Think Wenger used this season to organically see what was the best way for his talented bunch to play after departure of TH. He now knows what we're going to play like & will make some big signings this summer to fill in the gaps.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:55 am

    De Guzman wrote:I expected a tropheeless season, so I'm not disappointed. Think we did very well this season, especially taking injuries to key players into account. Think Wenger used this season to organically see what was the best way for his talented bunch to play after departure of TH. He now knows what we're going to play like & will make some big signings this summer to fill in the gaps.


    In Tweedle's words, no you won't, you'll sign a french fullback and two Africans you've never heard of.
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    Post by DS Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:59 am

    Your sig is getting bigger.
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    Post by Z Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:03 pm

    How long will he get away with the 'inexperienced team' excuse?

    “We came back to 2-2 and had the chance to score a third goal so it was not down to mental strength, it was down to a lack of experience and defensively we made big mistakes,” Wenger said. “We conceded a goal from a corner and for the second goal I feel we gave [Fernando] Torres too much room. This team has plenty of talent, but they lacked a bit of maturity in some situations.”

    Toure who gave away the penalty has plenty of experience. I read somewhere the other day that if you replaced Hyppia with Agger (who would most likely have played if injured) then our average ages would have been the same - Man U and Chelseas average ages are only 1-2 years older. Skrtel, Torres, Mascherano, Babel, Aurelio have less CL experience than players like Fabregas and Flamini. Most of this Arsenal team were in the CL final 2 years ago.. It's such a flawed argument.

    I just find it so frustrating that Wenger gets away for years with the bullshit 'transitional stage' excuse when Benitez has been criticised constantly since day 1.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:14 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:Your sig is getting bigger.

    Blame Arsenal, they keep losing.
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    Post by Overmars Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:17 pm

    Arsenal fans are quite happy with the way Wenger is managing the club. Only those from opposition clubs that want to see the back of him are making a big deal over the trophyless seasons.
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    Post by robert Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:20 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:torres has been a v lucky striker this season imho, he will get found out next and wont get anywhere near as many goals

    This should be bumpable $h!t next year. COTR will have fun.

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