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blutgraetsche wrote:Surprised that nobody mentioned him so far....





Absolute legend just because of that, and one of the naturally most talented players of the last two decades.

I dont get why you Germans idolise him for this?

He just ended up looking like an 'orrible gloater. Teasing our poor Gazza - did he not remember the tears in 1990?

That image reminds me of the 3 lions song- not only did we give the world football, we also appear to have given them the anthem for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC2XbnhYrow

'Poor Gazza'...

He just did exactly what Gazza had done earlier, the difference however was that he didn't do it prematurely. He scored the winning pen, and then did it in front of tens of thousands of England supporters. Gazza was probably thinking that they'd finally beaten us, the best penalty shootout England ever had (just watch it!), but they didn't, couldn't.

Absolute fucking legend.

Germany had 12 (!) fit field players in the final, and still won the tournament on hostile ground. One of the greatest achievements of German football ever, a shame that Vogts can claim credit for it.

blutgraetsche wrote:'Poor Gazza'...

He just did exactly what Gazza had done earlier, the difference however was that he didn't do it prematurely. He scored the winning pen, and then did it in front of tens of thousands of England supporters. Gazza was probably thinking that they'd finally beaten us, the best penalty shootout England ever had (just watch it!), but they didn't, couldn't.

Absolute fucking legend.

Germany had 12 (!) fit field players in the final, and still won the tournament on hostile ground. One of the greatest achievements of German football ever, a shame that Vogts can claim credit for it.

No wonder they won! All the other teams only had 11

Still hate Vogts though. c**t! He could have achieved so much more with the squad he had at his proposal, especially in 1994.

blutgraetsche wrote:

Still hate Vogts though. c**t! He could have achieved so much more with the squad he had at his proposal, especially in 1994.

did really well in 96 though like you said. You were missing some big players there for whatever reasons - Basler, Scholl, Effenberg, Kirsten and Klinsmann got injured aswell.

blutgraetsche wrote:'Poor Gazza'...

He just did exactly what Gazza had done earlier, the difference however was that he didn't do it prematurely. He scored the winning pen, and then did it in front of tens of thousands of England supporters. Gazza was probably thinking that they'd finally beaten us, the best penalty shootout England ever had (just watch it!), but they didn't, couldn't.

Absolute fucking legend.

Germany had 12 (!) fit field players in the final, and still won the tournament on hostile ground. One of the greatest achievements of German football ever, a shame that Vogts can claim credit for it.

This is the bit that got lost in translation it seems.

That was one of Gazza's trademark celebrations - he'd done it throughout his career, at ours, at Lazio, at Rangers.

"probably" thought he'd won it - what it actually showed was what poor sense of humour that German team had, clearly taking offence and feeling the need to mock it in victory

Incidentally, I can see why you might idolise him for it- its one of the reasons why Teddy Sheringham is a legend at Man United, for doing the same thing to Basler in 1999 (thought you'd appreciate this as its anti-Bayern):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1999/05/28/sfnwin28.html

He should have won 1992, but at least he made the final. But 1994 is the biggest disappointment, as Klinsmann says himself these days. We had a brilliant squad at that tournament, but no team, and Vogts was to blame for that.

I hate his personality foremost though, he almost made me hate my own national team at the end! Yes, following the footsteps of der Kaiser is not easy, but he simply was not a great manager. At least in my view.

Basler is a Werder legend also though, but a very....special kind of guy. A lazy genius, you simply don't have players like that anymore these days. The game has probably gotten too athletic I guess.

It's legitimate, stuff like that is what makes great events extra fun!

blutgraetsche wrote:Basler is a Werder legend also though, but a very....special kind of guy. A lazy genius, you simply don't have players like that anymore these days. The game has probably gotten too athletic I guess.

It's legitimate, stuff like that is what makes great events extra fun!

This is how I (deludely) view my footballing style on a Sunday morning, hence I also like these kind of players.

The best Spurs strikers in recent years have been exactly like that - Klinsmann, Sheringham and Berbatov

That triumvirate would be just awesome to watch playing on the same pitch. Oh them good ol' days of losing games 6-5 under Ardiles

blutgraetsche wrote:

Markus wrote:
Germany needs a 21st century Matthäus. You talked about Ballack leadership, Matthäus was one fine leader, this is not my view but Der Kaiser’s and you can never argue with anything he says, should actually be against the law.

Ballack definitely is not a leader like Matthäus was, no one is, with the exception of der Kaiser. This is not even a contest.

Lothar Mathaus was a great leader on the pitch - IMO the only german who came close since (and that only for a few years) was Effenberg for Bayern in the late 90s.

Sammer was as good a leader as Lothar. Talented wise, he was the most talented (primarily) defensive minded player we had since Beckenbauer. But injuries cost him, that's the reason why Lothar had the more successful career.

Effenberg was a great leader, but not as talented as those two.

Can we please stop talking about that terrible Lothar...! Even today I get sometimes nightmares about him. His arrogant face and smile.... brrr... or his unfair dives on the pitch...pathetic!

He is the main reason I hate Internationale. Every time I watch Inter I see the disgusting face of Lodder in front of me. No matter how great the team plays... Inter is doomed for me, forever...

He is stereotyping the dirty and evil German...!

blutgraetsche wrote:Sammer was as good a leader as Lothar. Talented wise, he was the most talented (primarily) defensive minded player we had since Beckenbauer. But injuries cost him, that's the reason why Lothar had the more successful career.

Effenberg was a great leader, but not as talented as those two.

Sammer was probably more talented then Lothar, he is a such a waste of talent though he couldnt help it.

blutgraetsche wrote:Sammer was as good a leader as Lothar. Talented wise, he was the most talented (primarily) defensive minded player we had since Beckenbauer. But injuries cost him, that's the reason why Lothar had the more successful career.

Effenberg was a great leader, but not as talented as those two.

Probably a better leader but definately not as talented.

blutgraetsche wrote:

RicardoJol wrote:
Yesss you put US above England.... And Van Bommel (the Matheus of the Netherlands with less skills and acting talent) above Lampard....! yessssssssssssssssss....

You care more about us than England.... Í feel very honoured!

You feel 'honoured'?

Isn't that a given?`Holland is still by far the fiercest rival of Germany on the international stage (Fey's list is a joke, and he knows it - no way Portugal are bigger rival for you than us), but you are falling behind! No important, controversial match for ages, same as England really, Italy and Argentina could replace you in future if it continues like this! Would be a tragedy!

Nahh, I hate Portugal more then you lot, bare in mind that I have never ever seen Germany beat Holland live, I started to watch in 1992....

Fey wrote:
Nahh, I hate Portugal more then you lot, bare in mind that I have never ever seen Germany beat Holland live, I started to watch in 1992....

The funny part is that portuguese like the dutch for their football and as far as i can tell no one feels any kind of rivalry toward them. That's why we found it so strange the phisical game Holand thrown at us in the World Cup like they were possessed or something.

Still, no hard feelings towards the dutch and one can understand the frustration of being knock out twice in international competitions. It is like we feel towards the french when we play them anyway and in a lesser degree the italian.

Fey wrote:
Nahh, I hate Portugal more then you lot, bare in mind that I have never ever seen Germany beat Holland live, I started to watch in 1992....

I can understand that you probably want to beat them more than us these days, because they knocked you out twice just recently, but no way they are the bigger rivals.

I want us to beat Italy more than beating Holland these days, for the same reason, but in no way they are a bigger rival.

However, I agree that rivalries need to be kept alive, and for that, you need big, important, and most importantly, controversial matches. Really about time we have another one against your lot.

Well protheus at least you cured us of our penalty syndrome...it has become a portugal syndrome. For England it is a portugal and penalty syndrome

I agree that portugal aint a rival. We wont go to Lisboa to hang a orange flag up there if we managed to beat them.

Blut, I doubt if it has anything to do with big matches, we didnt played against eachother for a really important match from 1978-1988 but it didnt matter because there was still a big Anti-Germany thing in those days. But in the future when the rivalry needs to kept alive with controversial matches.

Today that is not, Dutchies can, unlike the english, make the difference between the German football team, and Germany/Germans itself. The first still being loathed..allthough less because you dont have succes of the past and dont have the cuntish players anymore.

Yes, the rivalry is less hateful, no doubt. It's actually more enjoyable these days, and definitely more funny, too.

The English however still go on about WW2. If they had beaten us more often since 1966, if they had actually beaten us in a really important match at all that is, I think that they probably would be a bigger rival these days.

For us Germans, the rivalry with Holland is mainly due to events that happened on the pitch, while with England, it has more to do with stuff that went on off the pitch. For you Dutchies, it's both.

And of course we are neighbours...that always works pretty good in football.

Never understood why you dont have any fierce rivalry with the French..afterall you two are arch enemies. And had a few controversial matches as well.

The French absolutely hated us in the 1980s, for obvious reasons, but we couldn't really hate them. We had some great matches against them, we both had great teams. And France definitely is not the 'arch enemy' of us anymore these days, on the contrary.

One thing is for sure: The main reason why the German national team has still such a negative image abroad is due to the events that happened in the 1982 WC. The match against Austria, the Battiston incident etc. Before that WC, German football, especially the national team, had a completely different image.

The "cynical, defensive, brutal etc. Panzers" image started after that WC. Before that, Germany had nothing but praise in the international press, and by most fans abroad.

Now that i think of it Portugal have no country rivarly in football.

Giving the odd game Spain would be the ideal choice but we've play them so few times in our history that the feeling is not there. We like to beat them for the rivalry outside sports but it is in no way a hate nowadays, just a happy mockering.

We still have that France splinter though, they always kick us out in semifinals, that's 3 times so far(2 euro's and 1 WC). It would be nice to beat them at least once but it is more a frustration thing as they had a better team the 3 previous times they face us.

We have a fierce club rivalry between the 3 bigs though.

Protheus wrote:

Fey wrote:
Nahh, I hate Portugal more then you lot, bare in mind that I have never ever seen Germany beat Holland live, I started to watch in 1992....

The funny part is that portuguese like the dutch for their football and as far as i can tell no one feels any kind of rivalry toward them. That's why we found it so strange the phisical game Holand thrown at us in the World Cup like they were possessed or something.

Still, no hard feelings towards the dutch and one can understand the frustration of being knock out twice in international competitions. It is like we feel towards the french when we play them anyway and in a lesser degree the italian.

3 times ?

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Protheus wrote:

Fey wrote:
Nahh, I hate Portugal more then you lot, bare in mind that I have never ever seen Germany beat Holland live, I started to watch in 1992....

The funny part is that portuguese like the dutch for their football and as far as i can tell no one feels any kind of rivalry toward them. That's why we found it so strange the phisical game Holand thrown at us in the World Cup like they were possessed or something.

Still, no hard feelings towards the dutch and one can understand the frustration of being knock out twice in international competitions. It is like we feel towards the french when we play them anyway and in a lesser degree the italian.

3 times ?

3 semis:

1984 European Championship 3-2 after extra time (Platini wonder game)

2000 European Championship 1-0 (90M GOAL BY Zidane - the Xavier's handball incident)

2006 FIFA World Cup 1-0 (Zidane penalty)

Clubs/Teams:
1. The chavvy, scummy fish fuckers from down the road (local rivals)
2. Leeds (c**t-like fans who throw bottles at kids when they lose)
3. Wigan ($h!t support+no fans)
4. Bolton (ditto, neither should be in the prem)
5. Palarse (mainly from the little spat we had earlier this season at their place)

Players:
1. Joey Barton - horrible, horrible, arrogant chavvy scumbag
2. Kevin Phillips - mainly for the comments he made after leaving us
3. Ashley Cole - for clearing THAT header off the line as well as the "privelidged" comment.
4. Owen - not so much him personally but the fact that he walks into the England team unopposed and that he's constantly referred to as a "world class striker" having missed 2546434 opportunities to score before the ball bounces in off his arse against Estonia, Lithuania, Andorra or whatever minescule pub-team we face in a qualifying campaign. That, and the fact he goes potty after scoring unimportant goals.
5. Craig Fagan - doubt you've seen much of him but just a general $h!t. - Injuring Bale, refusing Viafara's offer of a handshake after being fouled etc.etc.- he does this all the time pretty much - just a pain in the arse really

Football people:
1. Redkrapp - who else

2. Rupert Lowe - Rosicky, Adebayor, Drogba - all players who we've had in our stadium ready to sign under Strachan but have been told to piss off under Lowe. Aside from that, he's turned this football club on its head and still wont take the hint.

3. Ian fucking Holloway - stupid overrated twat of a manager and thoroughly inadequete human being, the ref's decision is always wrong according to him and "Southampton strut around thinking they're a big club when they're not" - because we made a bid for a player which when Plymouth turned down, we improved - what a crime, utter utter Pr!ck - i have nothing against Leicester but just want to see them go down so he gets sacked.

4. John Motson - who's grandma once went on holiday to Ibiza and met a man who had a son who bought a dog in 1966. and OMFG ROOOOOOOOOONEY!!!!!!!....... is warming up on the touchline.

5. Billy Davies - i've never fogiven him for how he went about the play-off semi-final, purposefully kicking Bale out the game.

you can add Kenwyne Jones to that list too for the manner of his leaving us earlier this season

Rasiak-9 wrote:

4. John Motson - who's grandma once went on holiday to Ibiza and met a man who had a son who bought a dog in 1966. and OMFG ROOOOOOOOOONEY!!!!!!!....... is warming up on the touchline.

Parks lives wrote:

Rasiak-9 wrote:

and OMFG ROOOOOOOOOONEY!!!!!!!....... is warming up on the touchline.

lrd wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

Rasiak-9 wrote:

and OMFG ROOOOOOOOOONEY!!!!!!!....... is warming up on the touchline.

bluenine wrote:Who do you hate/dislike the most?? Lets get your agenda's on the table - there needn't be a rationale behind it, just shoot from the heart

1. The 5 Clubs/Teams that you dislike the most
2. The 5 players that you dislike the most
3. The 5 people connected to football (non-players) that you dislike the most

For me:

Clubs/Teams:
1. Juventus
2. Milan
3. France (mostly thanks to Domenech)
4. ManU (I think coz most of my friends support them)
5. Leeds United (I don't know why)

Players:
1. Inzaghi (he whines too much!)
2. Serginho (useless player who always scores against Inter)
3. Montero (The Butcher of Turin)
4. Henry (I don't know why)
5. Silvestre (the worst defender in Inter history)

Football people:
1. Moggi (Cheat!)
2. Berlusconi (Dictator!!)
3. Sacchi (never forgave him for leaving Baggio out of Euro96)
4. Domenech (he just doesn't know when to shut up!)
5. Zac (the most incompetent coach, ever!)

Clubs/teams

1) Inter
2) Chelsea
3) Lazio
4) France
5) Spain (think they're way better and prettier than they actually are)

Players:

1) Poulsen
2) Ibrahimovic
3) Materazzi
4) Gallas
5) Di Canio

Football people

1) Moratti (Sanctimonious sack of $h!t who thinks he is better than everyone)
2) Roy Keane
3) Calderon
4) Mihajlovic (racist sack of $h!t)
5) Mancini (irritating and irritable coach who isn't that good)