Premier League Final Matchday 2007/2008 Discussion Thread

COTR wrote:Saints I can only imagine what you would be saying if it was arsenal winning in that manner

You would be starting a book on the corruption involved

precisely cotr

Jigaboo wrote:

of all the questionable decisions, Scholes not getting a red card was, to me, the clearest 'mistake'.

To me it was barely even a foul - the player wasn't in clear control of the ball, having pushed it far beyond him, and the challenge was shoulder to shoulder. Given that the player wasn't clearly advancing into a goalscoring or goalcreating position I don't see why it should have to be a yellow card and hence a red.

I thought Andy Gray ( ) was actually right on that. If he hadn't already been yellowed that would've been another one, no question. ignoring the question about Rooney maybe being fouled (need to see that again, really), Scholes just cut across the guy while he was trying to break away. It wasn't a dangerous position, but it was a cynical foul to stop an attack, and nearly always gets a yellow.

Jigaboo wrote:There was an incident where a freekick was given to Wigan in their area, causing Rooney to shout all sorts of nonsense at the referee, earning him a deserved booking. But the replay of the incident showed that while the ball had struck Rooney's arm, it had also struck the defender's arm, who at one moment pulled Rooney back as he was trying to shoot.

Aye, that was another possible pen.

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

Jigaboo wrote:Talk of the referee handing this game to Man U is, in my opinion, ludicrous.

says the asst. head of the redbloods

decision 1 pen v. rio? Not given

had wigan taken that who knows how the game would have panned out.

So had the penalty been given, and had they scored it, the game would have been different, but we have no idea of knowing how.

What's your point? You yourself said not so long ago that such speculation was futile. Curious to see you doing it now United have won the league.

pen to rooney a v 50/50 another day may well not have been given, for sure if that game had been at OT and the pen had been for wigan no way they'd have got it.

Which one? There were two fouls on Rooney that could have been penalties, one was given as a free kick to Wigan, the other as a goalkick to Wigan.

Clear red for scholes cynically took the player out, whther the guy had the ball or not saints that is a foul, otherwise your allowed to man handle players as long as the isn't nearby which isn't the case

These are exactly the sorts of challenges that Ronaldo always goes to ground for, and is often accused of diving as a result.

You want refereeing consistency, ask it of yourselves first.

te foul on scholes (not rooney as well you know but doesn't suit your argument) was a clear pen. but then scholes shouldn't have been on the pitch in the first place.

There were two fouls on Rooney after the penalty that could also have been given as penalties. I was not referring to the Scholes penalty shout.

It's sad cos bennett has cost them the winning by fair means issue, cos so many important decisions he facked up.

He fucked up loads, but only marginally in favour of Man U. He didn't give three penalties that he should have. Though I disagree about the sending off, I think he got it right.

COTR wrote:Saints I can only imagine what you would be saying if it was arsenal winning in that manner

Your imaginings about me are irrelevant, and this is a poor attempt to counter the perfectly factual account I've given of the game.

You would be starting a book on the corruption involved

Hardly. Big clubs get soft decisions. Man U are no different. To pretend that they won the game because of this is, from the game I watched, ludicrous.

If you have something based on the game itself and what happened in it then feel free to share it with us. But rampant, masturbatory claptrap about what you think of me personally won't cut it.

I've said quite clearly that I'm underwhelmed by Man U's recent performances. I've said that they've benefited from some wrong decisions by referees. But your simplistic, dualistic Bushist mindset can't allow you to identify someone who believes in neither your conspiratorial gobshite nor N8WNG's jibber jabber about Ronaldo.

Grow the f@ck up.

Parks lives wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Serious question to United fans - do you actually get any satisfaction from winning titles like that ?

Hull.

Perfect goals disallowed, ridiculous cards dished out to opposing players whilst your own get just a talking to for far worse and a manager who raves like a lunatic every time one of his players is touched and spends 90% of the game talking to the 4th official - you and Hull have a lot in common, its no wonder that twat Campbell has settled in so well.

Jigaboo wrote:
So while Wigan should have had one penalty (stonewall), Man U should have had two or possibly three. If the referee was being generous towards them. He had the excuse to give two more. He didn't.

The fairy tale world where 10 penalties are given a game strikes again. I've yet to see a referee who has the bottle to give out two penalties a game to the same side when required on a consistent basis and I doubt I ever will.

http://www.statsonsport.com/en/1/fbpremrefereedisciplinestats.mxs

84 penalties have been given out this season. Kuyt aside, I can't remember the other players to score a brace of penalties this season.

If the referee was being generous, he'd do exactly what he did, give them control and make no decisions after to mitigate his influence. Whether he's doing it because he's been influenced by mind games, Fergie's general lack of respect for referee's or he's corrupt is irrelevant, as the results still the same.

Dwarf wrote:

Jigaboo wrote:
So while Wigan should have had one penalty (stonewall), Man U should have had two or possibly three. If the referee was being generous towards them. He had the excuse to give two more. He didn't.

The fairy tale world where 10 penalties are given a game strikes again. I've yet to see a referee who has the bottle to give out two penalties a game to the same side when required on a consistent basis and I doubt I ever will.

This influenced the game massively, but has nothing to do with the obvious big club bias.

http://www.statsonsport.com/en/1/fbpremrefereedisciplinestats.mxs

84 penalties have been given out this season. Kuyt aside, I can't remember the other players to score a brace of penalties this season.

If the referee was being generous, he'd do exactly what he did, give them control and make no decisions after to mitigate his influence. Whether he's doing it because he's been influenced by mind games, Fergie's general lack of respect for referee's or he's corrupt is irrelevant, as the results still the same.

It was a fair penalty, and Wigan were in the game more or less until the end. Man U were never really in control of the match.

I don't understand what you mean here.

@ this thread

You're all dicks

Man Utd deserved the title but the way they won today was typical of their season. Wigan should have had a penalty, Scholes should have been sent off, but give Wigan a penalty and send Scholes off they still would have won.

Let's see if they can do it without any help next season. They probably can, so let them try

Drunken celebrating Scot wrote:"I said before the game that I am not bothered about records. This is what it is about, championships and trophies," said the Scot.

"If we'd lost the title it would have been a great knock but we are bouncing into the Champions League final.

"I am at a great club which makes it easier for me than the rest."

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but this might have just swung my opinion round on the topic of how Man U won the league.

He was talking in the context about how good the players are.

You have to see the interview I guess, pretty much faking humility.

Your imaginings about me are irrelevant, and this is a poor attempt to counter the perfectly factual account I've given of the game.

You have given your opinion on the game saints. Your account of scholes' foul didn't even scratch the surface of being factual within the laws of the game

Hardly. Big clubs get soft decisions. Man U are no different. To pretend that they won the game because of this is, from the game I watched, ludicrous.

This is astonishing.

Do you really think wigan not getting the chance to take the lead and then man u not having to play the rest of the game with ten men had no impact on united winning the game ? Seriously ?

If you have something based on the game itself and what happened in it then feel free to share it with us. But rampant, masturbatory claptrap about what you think of me personally won't cut it.

I have throughout the whole thread. I'm sure you have read it

I've said quite clearly that I'm underwhelmed by Man U's recent performances. I've said that they've benefited from some wrong decisions by referees.

That is very good of you saints. You are still a very pro man u person. We could go round and round for hours talking about bias in opinions. I am heavily biased against united, you are heavily biased against arsenal and to a lesser but still very significant degree for man u. There is no way of proving this of course but it's an opinion formed on the basis of your posts over the years. I'm sorry if you don't agree but this bias has an impact on your 'perfectly factual' views.

But your simplistic, dualistic Bushist mindset can't allow you to identify someone who believes in neither your conspiratorial gobshite nor N8WNG's jibber jabber about Ronaldo.

I don't agree with you because I don't agree with your account of events.

The first half was key yet you are quoting events from the second half when we should have had a very different game to watch.

I openly admitted on here a month or so ago that I thought united deserved the title, however the last few games have tainted their victory.

This is highlighting the problem with manu fans, not being able to accept any criticism for playing $h!t on a stick football, getting dodgy refereeing decisions in their favour, or generally being lucky etc.

All they have to say is, "damn we were lucky, rio handballed it and scholes should have been off and the ref made big mistakes, but over the season we were better than chelsea so overall we deserve to win the league."

But instead it's: "the ref didn't influnce the game", "rooney should have had 3 penalties", "penalty against rio would have been harsh" and "scholes didn't do anything"

110% wrote:over the season we were better than chelsea so overall we deserve to win the league."

COTR wrote:

Your imaginings about me are irrelevant, and this is a poor attempt to counter the perfectly factual account I've given of the game.

You have given your opinion on the game saints. Your account of scholes' foul didn't even scratch the surface of being factual within the laws of the game

Since the laws of the game are utterly inconsistent in their application, what meaning do they have?

Hardly. Big clubs get soft decisions. Man U are no different. To pretend that they won the game because of this is, from the game I watched, ludicrous.

This is astonishing.

Do you really think wigan not getting the chance to take the lead and then man u not having to play the rest of the game with ten men had no impact on united winning the game ? Seriously ?

Nope. I'm saying it wasn't the deciding factor that made the result what it was.

I'm sure you have read it

Actually, I haven't.

Parks lives wrote:

110% wrote:over the season we were better than chelsea so overall we deserve to win the league."

so you are proud of all the excuses and generally not accepting for a second that you got lucky and that is the only part you agree with?

some manu fans are such c**ts

Since the laws of the game are utterly inconsistent in their application, what meaning do they have?

A nice way to avoid the topic

To me the laws are very clear on a defender purposefully running across in front of an attacker to block off the attacker's run

Week in, week out it is given as a yellow card. Today the ref wanted to give it, but he bottled it because of the enormity of the game and because he is scared shitless of fergie



I'm off to watch hero

COTR wrote:

To me the laws are very clear on a defender purposefully running across in front of an attacker to block off the attacker's run

It probably helped because the ball was going out of play as well.

Ho hum.

Parks lives wrote:

COTR wrote:

To me the laws are very clear on a defender purposefully running across in front of an attacker to block off the attacker's run

It probably helped because the ball was going out of play as well.

Ho hum.

do you actually know the rules of football?

Good to see they got it out safely.

COTR wrote:

Since the laws of the game are utterly inconsistent in their application, what meaning do they have?

A nice way to avoid the topic

To me the laws are very clear on a defender purposefully running across in front of an attacker to block off the attacker's run

Week in, week out it is given as a yellow card. Today the ref wanted to give it, but he bottled it because of the enormity of the game and because he is scared shitless of fergie



I'm off to watch hero

Week in, week out you declare Ronaldo being brought down by such challenges as dives.

Enjoy hero. The closest thing you'll get to a real one.

S4P wrote:

Good to see they got it out safely.

It's probably on the way to moscow now to be parked in front of the manu goal.

110% wrote:

S4P wrote:

Good to see they got it out safely.

It's probably on the way to moscow now to be parked in front of the manuChelsea goal.

Jigaboo wrote:

Enjoy hero. The closest thing you'll get to a real one.

what?

Glenn Hysén wrote:Oooh!!

Torres scores away from home

How does it feel TS? How does it feel?

TearS

How predictable - upon logging on, I immediately searched for a post like this

Call me when it's a match that actually means something.

We've been on autopilot for the last 2 months

Glenn Hysén wrote:

Jigaboo wrote:

Enjoy hero. The closest thing you'll get to a real one.

what?

Dunno, just seemed like the thing to say. I've been busking it a bit on this thread, not really sure where I'm going or why.

Jigaboo wrote:I've been busking it a bit on this thread, not really sure where I'm going or why.

I noticed

Couldn't be bothered to point out all your continuity errors since it would take me all night

Referees were so biased towards Man Utd in the last two games. Saying that, I'm glad they won it obviously...and probably deserved to.

Also congratulations to T*ttenham for your finish out of the top half .

Congratulations Rosicky...for every week saying how awful we were, and that we wouldn't finish in the top 10 .

COTR wrote:@ T/S


Who scored at the lane today ?





Torres becomes the most prolific foreigner ever in a debut season

This too.

In case you 'pool fans hadn't noticed, I've already apologised for my WUMming over Torres, and I said i rated him after Chelsea.

Torres > Henry

Just saw Rochemback's goal, fucking hell it was just as good as Elano's againist N'castle

Ade Mascherano wrote:Just saw Rochemback's goal, fucking hell it was just as good as Elano's againist N'castle

White Brazilians