Ticket prices up again

Fidel wrote:Arsenal season tickets cost over a grand.

a thousand punds?
thats crazy for football but in way i understand because they have debt or least that is what they say. But Chelsea and Spurs have no reason to have high ticket prices because one is backed by a very rich man and the other hasnt delivered much in the last couple of years. How pricy is Liverpools and Man utds ticket?

Super Madrid wrote:

Fidel wrote:Arsenal season tickets cost over a grand.

a thousand punds?
thats crazy for football but in way i understand because they have debt or least that is what they say. But Chelsea and Spurs have no reason to have high ticket prices because one is backed by a very rich man and the other hasnt delivered much in the last couple of years. How pricy is Liverpools and Man utds ticket?

I think our average cost is about £100-250 more than the average at Chelsea and Spurs. Certainly not value for money! But Arsenal and Spurs sell out every week, and have huge waiting lists, so it's understandable why the clubs charge so much, simply because the demand is there. Arsenal would charge just as much if we stayed at Highbury, so it's not just a case of dealing with the debt. Most prices at Man Utd and Liverpool are quite a fair bit lower, unfortunately like in many aspects of life everything in London costs a fortune and much more than it should!
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edit: Just had a quick search around and last year the average price at Arsenal was £1,355 and for Spurs it was £1065. Our figures are slightly misleading in that the 'average' seats will be a bit less, but are highly distorted by the small section of Club level seats which are much more expensive. The average 'normal' seat costs roughly £1,265. Frankly I think it's ludicrous to pay for the Club level seats, they really are not worth anywhere near that much. But they're a good source of revenue for the club to milk.

Ok i thought it was because of the debt. well i can see now about the London thing. does this count for all London clubs like Fulham and Westham aswell?
Its a shame. English fans could learn alot from German fans. i read an article about them and they seem to have a big say in everthing from ticket prices to tv times. they should organise and make demands. like under the world cup in germany i think i read something like Sponsors getting 20% of the tickets which is too high for me.

Super Madrid wrote:Ok i thought it was because of the debt. well i can see now about the London thing. does this count for all London clubs like Fulham and Westham aswell?
Its a shame. English fans could learn alot from German fans. i read an article about them and they seem to have a big say in everthing from ticket prices to tv times. they should organise and make demands. like under the world cup in germany i think i read something like Sponsors getting 20% of the tickets which is too high for me.

You wont find a ticket for a EPL game in London under £30 (not that will in most of the contry tbh) but London is expensive, think Fulham tickets where £35 this season for us and £47 for U*d

Saying that my U*d ticket cost me £47 whilst we only charged them about £27

Super Madrid wrote:Ok i thought it was because of the debt. well i can see now about the London thing. does this count for all London clubs like Fulham and Westham aswell?
Its a shame. English fans could learn alot from German fans. i read an article about them and they seem to have a big say in everthing from ticket prices to tv times. they should organise and make demands. like under the world cup in germany i think i read something like Sponsors getting 20% of the tickets which is too high for me.

Higher ticket prices helps justify higher TV bills to the customer also, thus creating the large TV deals struck with the premiership, thus generating the huge TV revenues into the EPL, see where i'm going with this...

I'll just point out that I added some more to my answer above in case you missed it.

Arsenal's debt is entirely to do with the cost of building the new stadium and a number of residential redevelopments associated with it. Otherwise I believe the club is well run financially, it isn't a case of having debt incurred through normally operating losses.

Yep. Not as bad as the big clubs, but they're all pretty expensive for what you get. And QPR (in the Championship) have increased their season ticket prices by 50% apparently! They've gone from £400 to £600 on average from what I've heard.

Fans should join together and force the clubs to keep prices down. problem is that in the future clubs wont be as reliant on ticket income so they dont have a responsiblty to the fans. is there a chance of bubble bursting as Axe said?

Super Madrid wrote:Fans should join together and force the clubs to keep prices down. problem is that in the future clubs wont be as reliant on ticket income so they dont have a responsiblty to the fans. is there a chance of bubble bursting as Axe said?

Not for a while at Arsenal, unless they ramp up the costs without us enjoying any success for a few years. At the moment I believe the season ticket list is limited to 30,000 or thereabouts, or is at least that amount, I can't quite remember. But the club expect just 250-350 people to give up their season tickets ever year, which obviously means there is a lot of demand waiting for very limited opportunities.

Lol, we have to pay 173 (cheapest) to 260 (most expensive) euros for a FC Groningen season's ticket

You'll have to join a waiting list, wait a couple of years and pay for your own fire insurance.....but an average FC Groningen match is more entertaining than the average EPL match

Sheffield gunner wrote:

Super Madrid wrote:

Fidel wrote:Arsenal season tickets cost over a grand.

a thousand punds?
thats crazy for football but in way i understand because they have debt or least that is what they say. But Chelsea and Spurs have no reason to have high ticket prices because one is backed by a very rich man and the other hasnt delivered much in the last couple of years. How pricy is Liverpools and Man utds ticket?

I think our average cost is about £100-250 more than the average at Chelsea and Spurs. Certainly not value for money! But Arsenal and Spurs sell out every week, and have huge waiting lists, so it's understandable why the clubs charge so much, simply because the demand is there. Arsenal would charge just as much if we stayed at Highbury, so it's not just a case of dealing with the debt. Most prices at Man Utd and Liverpool are quite a fair bit lower, unfortunately like in many aspects of life everything in London costs a fortune and much more than it should!
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edit: Just had a quick search around and last year the average price at Arsenal was £1,355 and for Spurs it was £1065. Our figures are slightly misleading in that the 'average' seats will be a bit less, but are highly distorted by the small section of Club level seats which are much more expensive. The average 'normal' seat costs roughly £1,265. Frankly I think it's ludicrous to pay for the Club level seats, they really are not worth anywhere near that much. But they're a good source of revenue for the club to milk.

According to the various press reports out in the last day or so the average at Chelsea is 790 and at Man U is 665. A quick bit of maths shows that Arsenal charge, as a rough average, 160% of what Chelsea charge and 190% of what Man U charge.


I'd say, for a club that's been trophyless for three years, that's far from being competitive or value for money.

i clearly wasnt being serious with the value for money comment.

you cant really compare us with chelsea, they are an exception due to the owner. so they can keep their prices down without needing to worry about losing out on revenue.

Super Madrid wrote:Fans should join together and force the clubs to keep prices down. problem is that in the future clubs wont be as reliant on ticket income so they dont have a responsiblty to the fans. is there a chance of bubble bursting as Axe said?

We have protested about it at Bolton, Blackburn and Wigan away but it only has a short term effect.

Rosicky? wrote:i clearly wasnt being serious with the value for money comment.

Bit difficult to tell sometimes.

you cant really compare us with chelsea, they are an exception due to the owner. so they can keep their prices down without needing to worry about losing out on revenue.

Man U are also an exception due to being 4.7 trillion dollars in debt. Due to their owners.

One in seven Premier League football fans will not renew their
season tickets as they feel they are being priced out of the game.
(Daily Mirror)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/7432741.stm

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:One in seven Premier League football fans will not renew their
season tickets as they feel they are being priced out of the game.
(Daily Mirror)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/7432741.stm

Full article:

PREM FANS PRICED OUT OF THE GAME
1 in 7 won't renew season tickets

Football fans are so fed-up with the soaring cost of watching Premiership matches that many are ditching their season tickets.

One in seven will not renew this year because they feel they are being priced out of the game, a new report has warned.

Fans of champions Manchester United are among those angry at the rises. One in five is refusing to buy a new season ticket, which now costs up to £912. A quarter of West Ham season ticket holders will not be going back to Upton Park, according to the Virgin Money survey.

Tickets there will cost up to £885 next season after rises of four per cent.
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Fa Cup winners Portsmouth have hiked prices up by 17.5 per cent, with some tickets now at £925.

Fans going to just one Premiership game will fork out around £87.75 for tickets, travel, food and drink - a 12 per cent rise on the 2006 cost of £77.95.

The Football Supporters Federation branded clubs greedy over the hikes.

Chairman Malcolm Clarke said: "The huge amount of TV money pouring into the Premiership means there is no justification for price rises.

"For too long, clubs have believed there is no limit to the extent to which they can exploit the loyalty of fans and they may find this greed will come back bite them on the backside.

"In the difficult financial climate we all face, the football industry must wake up and smell the coffee."

Virgin Money's Scott Mowbray added: "Fans are suffering and many are starting to vote with their feet."

WADS IT WORTH?

Premiership club fans not renewing their season tickets

West Ham Utd 25%

Reading 22%

Portsmouth 21%

Manchester City 20%

Manchester Utd 19%

Fulham 18%

Bolton Wanderers 17%

Birmingham City 16%

Everton 14%

Tottenham 12%

Sunderland 12%

Middlesbrough 11%

Newcastle United 10%

Chelsea 10%

Arsenal 8%

Aston Villa 8%

Wigan Athletic 8%

Liverpool 5%

Blackburn Rovers 5%

Derby County 3%

No standard rates included, but then that wouldn't fit there scare mongering argument.

No real concern for Liverpool and Arsenal, as I would imagine the waiting lists are sufficiently long for this not to hit them and the change will be a minimal as it is. More concerning for Villa, Chelsea, Everton and Spurs, but the change is manageable if it remains only for a season or so. Can't see gate revenue reducing, so nothing to worry about.

All three north east teams have all been hit by roughly the same. Impending financial downturn has probably kept them away, while being safe in the knowledge that they'll be able to get a seat for the majority of games they want to go to so it shouldn't seriously affect the clubs pockets.

Blackburn and Wigan's is rather surprising even with the stark price rises. It however suggests that the majority of fans who have season tickets are doing so because they actually want to attend every game, rather than wanting to guarantee a seat. Bolton and Fulham's figures are concering, but I'd imagine they are adapting to a similar situation that both Wigan and Blackburn are already in, they are essentially small clubs so they'll unfortunately always have comparatively low crowds. They'll always look bad, so using them to generate hysteria for the geographically bigger clubs doesn't help.

Reading and Birmingham fans aren't renewing because they are now in the Championship. Derby's rate will be around the natural rate, they've had near full houses all season while being awful and so it's not going to change next season. So no real problem here.

So you are left with 4 clubs with deeply concerning figures. Portsmouth and West Ham wouldn't want either of there foreign chairman out after the funds they've pumped into the club, so they don't regret not being able to afford a ticket. When they start wanting to be in the Championship I'll agree it's a problem.

City fans don't have a clue what to think about to the mad Thai and most of the time there are spare tickets available for there matches, so not having a season ticket in order to be financially prudent makes sense even if there's an underlying concern.

First serious signs of the Glazers business plan going kaput. I can't say I'm disappointed, but I'd imagine they have a waiting list that is sufficiently long for it not to affect them this season. Season ticket prices may well be more gentle once the non renewal rate actually starts to affect them so next seasons figures are far more important.

Not as bad it sounds if it's merely a short term blip.

That West Ham stat makes it all the more surprising they've stuck with Curbishley - it did seem he'd totally lost the fans, and 25% of them saying they won't renew is probably as much about disillusionment towards the end of last season as ticket prices.

Gotta say, kudos to the Derby fans...I guess they're thinking it can only be better next season

debaser that was the info i was getting from my west ham supporting mates too.

Dwarf wrote:


City fans don't have a clue what to think about to the mad Thai and most of the time there are spare tickets available for there matches, so not having a season ticket in order to be financially prudent makes sense even if there's an underlying concern.
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It might be better in financial terms but if you dont have a season ticket you dont have any points and thus wont tickets for away games and god forbid if we got to a cup final you wouldnt have a chance, so there is no way id give up my season ticket.

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:debaser that was the info i was getting from my west ham supporting mates too.

To mates

I sadly wont be renewing this season...the money is needed elsewhere for the time being..so my mam will be using the ticket for this season so I dont lose out on my long standing season ticket holder bonuses...and she'll probably let me use it when she cant make the games.

Just heard blackpool are charging us £40 for our away game the robbing c**ts ! i know they will prob go down and want to make a fast buck but this is ridiculous. Stupid thing is i will pay it even though its on sky....you cant beat away days ! Spurs cost me £44 and Wigan £25 just to give people an idea.

I thought your own club charges for away games? Not the home team or am I wrong?