If Arshavin played for a big club...

...would he be a contender for WPOTY?

if Schweini or Poldi played at a different club, would they be WPOTY by now ?

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:if Schweini or Poldi played at a different club, would they be WPOTY by now ?

No, because they'd still be on the bench.

Historicus wrote:

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:if Schweini or Poldi played at a different club, would they be WPOTY by now ?

No, because they'd still be on the bench.

makes you wonder, eh

how little idiots like Hoeness and Dummenigge , know about football

although, truth be told , Magath and Hitzfeld are co-responsible

Ribery ahead of Schweini and Toni ahead of Poldi



"geballte Fussballkompetenz"

kas wrote:...would he be a contender for WPOTY?

Yes.



We'd also be talking about him making a 50 million+ move to Madrid instead of Ronaldo.

kas wrote:...would he be a contender for WPOTY?

He is a talent to watch out for, but surely reactions like these are a bit over the top??

It looks likely that Milan will sign him, so we will soon know.

He's 27 isnt he , hardly a talent.

DS wrote:He's 27 isnt he , hardly a talent.

Can't 27 year olds posses talent??

That said, is there a guarantee that he would succeed in a Milan or Barca?? No. Some players show tremendous potential for the "smaller" teams, but when they go to a top squad with a lot of world class talent, they just fade away or become one of the cogs in the wheel. So calling him the best player in the world or extrapolating his great exploits over the last 12 months to assume that he will play as well in a top team is just speculative.

He is a talent, with the potential to become one of the best in the world. Like so many others. But at the mo, lets not put him in the same bracket as the likes of Kaka, CR, etc

Why not? It's hardly as if this performance is an anomaly. Zenith won the Russian league, they won the UEFA cup. He was their key player. If it wasn't the fact he was playing in Russia, he'd certainly be a contender.

The guy is incredible. Seriously, nearly every time i have seen him play, he has either assisted a goal or scored a goal.

Calm down chaps.

He has never played above UEFA Cup standard at 27.

Great skills, amazing brain but weak and small - calm down a bit until he's played EPL/Serie A/La Liga/Champions League and we'll see how he deals with the pressure and the more physical side of the game.

Without meaning to get carried away, I think Arshavin should be a contender for WPOTY even though he plays for Zenit. Obviously it goes against him that he plays in the Russia league - the league is getting stronger every year; there are a number of teams that challenge for the title every season with four strong Moscow clubs, with Zenit, and with others, like Rubin and Krylya Sovetov, having strong seasons recently; and I think the league is already on the same sort of level as the French, for instance - but still, the Russian league isn't near the English, Spanish or Italian yet, and it is hard to see a WPOTY coming from outside those leagues.

But he has led Zenit to their UEFA Cup win this year, he captained Zenit to the league title last season, and though he's only played two games in the Euros so far, I think it is fair to call him one of the tournaments best players. He was superb against Sweden, and magnificent yesterday for 120 minutes. And he has been increasingly Russia's key player for a significant period now - the Russian team plays in the same sort of way that Zenit play, with Arshavin the fulcrum of the attack, providing the team's spark, and he did this for a lot of the qualifiers in a tough qualification group.

I don't think that he is really a 'talent' - he has talent, but he's not promise or potential, because he is already 27 and his ability is already full and complete. He has been promising all his career, but in the last couple of years he has improved significantly, become much more clinical, much better at finding the final ball (which he finds more consistently than any other player I've seen over this past season), and more of a leader on the pitch. He is small, but I don't think he is weak - he doesn't get knocked off the ball easily, his control is good, and with his pace and stamina he outdoes defenders anyway.

So I don't think he needs to go to a big club to prove himself, or to fulfil his potential. I think he could move to any club in the world and excel immediately - and certainly, he needs to keep up his form for a longer period to be classed as more than a flash-in-the-pan on the world stage. But it can be so that one of the world's best players, over the last season or two, has spent this time outside a top league, outside a top club. And say that he was to perform in the semi final, and that he was even to lead Russia all the way in the competition - well, then I think there'd be no candidate for WPOTY who has excelled at club and at international level as much as he has this year. And he'd move from being a contender to being one of the three or four main challengers for WPOTY.

Obviously lots of ifs and buts here (just like when we were discussing about Ballack earlier), "but if" Russia did win this Euro, then I'm almost certain at least the more sensible France Football journalists would have him in the top 3 for the Balon d'Or

He might as well stay at Zenit if they are in CL - last thing he would want is to move to a big club, flop (not necessarily through any fault of his own) like so many and lose all this momentum before WC 2010.

Its amazing how commentators on SKY Sports cream their pants when someone like Beckham hits a slow 60 yard cross field pass that slows down the attack completely 'cos its the short passes that are best for opening adefence and Arshavin's passing is something else I have to say.

Yes.

Oh yeah he won't flop or fade away at Arsenal coz If there was ever a player made for the way we play It's Arshavin.

Arshavin is awesome, Everton fans seem to think they're in with a chance If he comes to England it will be to Arsenal or to Chelsea if Drogba goes

Hlebtastic wrote:Oh yeah he won't flop or fade away at Arsenal coz If there was ever a player made for the way we play It's Arshavin.

I don't think Wenger would have him if he was offered for free.

He is nearing his peak and is regarded as one of the finest players around - leaving Wenger with no excuse for failure.

Think about it.




* I'm suprised that Wenger hasn't come out in the last couple of days to tell everyone that he 1st spotted Arshavin back in '83

Pierre Littbarski wrote:



* I'm suprised that Wenger hasn't come out in the last couple of days to tell everyone that he 1st spotted Arshavin back in '83

bluenine wrote:

DS wrote:He's 27 isnt he , hardly a talent.

Can't 27 year olds posses talent??

That said, is there a guarantee that he would succeed in a Milan or Barca?? No. Some players show tremendous potential for the "smaller" teams, but when they go to a top squad with a lot of world class talent, they just fade away or become one of the cogs in the wheel. So calling him the best player in the world or extrapolating his great exploits over the last 12 months to assume that he will play as well in a top team is just speculative.

He is a talent, with the potential to become one of the best in the world. Like so many others. But at the mo, lets not put him in the same bracket as the likes of Kaka, CR, etc

By now he should be at the peak of his abilities not just a talent , talent is what is to be fulfilled because you havent grown physically and mentally and if he hasnt till now he will never. Otherwise Kewel is still a talent.

DS wrote:

bluenine wrote:

DS wrote:He's 27 isnt he , hardly a talent.

Can't 27 year olds posses talent??

That said, is there a guarantee that he would succeed in a Milan or Barca?? No. Some players show tremendous potential for the "smaller" teams, but when they go to a top squad with a lot of world class talent, they just fade away or become one of the cogs in the wheel. So calling him the best player in the world or extrapolating his great exploits over the last 12 months to assume that he will play as well in a top team is just speculative.

He is a talent, with the potential to become one of the best in the world. Like so many others. But at the mo, lets not put him in the same bracket as the likes of Kaka, CR, etc

By now he should be at the peak of his abilities not just a talent , talent is what is to be fulfilled because you havent grown physically and mentally and if he hasnt till now he will never. Otherwise Kewel is still a talent.

In my eyes, Toni was a talented prospect at 27, and he achieved his full potential in the years after that... some players peak late or make it big a bit later than others. Toni always showed potential, even when he was young, but he always looked like an unfinished product till he joined Palermo. The next 3 years, he improved every year to achieve his peak when he broke Serie A top scoring records at 29.

Arshavin has hit big time in the last year or two, so its cool to call him a talent, maybe he has reached his peak, or maybe (like when Toni was 27) he is yet to achieve his peak. I think its fair to call him a talent.

Arshavin isn't a talent anymore. He is star player of Zenit and the Russian team. A star player is no talent.

How many people are confusing the word talent with prospect here?

Rosicky wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:



* I'm suprised that Wenger hasn't come out in the last couple of days to tell everyone that he 1st spotted Arshavin back in '83

Did you know that Arshavin was actually rejected by FC Copenhagen after a trial

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Hlebtastic wrote:Oh yeah he won't flop or fade away at Arsenal coz If there was ever a player made for the way we play It's Arshavin.

I don't think Wenger would have him if he was offered for free.

He is nearing his peak and is regarded as one of the finest players around - leaving Wenger with no excuse for failure.

Pires, Wiltord, Sagna,...

Think about it

no way will he join arsenal. big money, over 21 years of age. 0%

Desgraciats wrote:Did you know that Arshavin was actually rejected by FC Copenhagen after a trial

And Modric was offered to Brondby on two occasions at a price of 100.000 euros. both times they said no.

I think he looks like a really good player but i wouldnt trust the hype of the euros completly. He has many weapons becaúse he is a smart player but at the same time he can use his pace very well. now he has worked well in a counter attacking team like Russia but would he work as well for Milan at a slower tempo? i'll reserve judgement untill then.

Hlebtastic wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Hlebtastic wrote:Oh yeah he won't flop or fade away at Arsenal coz If there was ever a player made for the way we play It's Arshavin.

I don't think Wenger would have him if he was offered for free.

He is nearing his peak and is regarded as one of the finest players around - leaving Wenger with no excuse for failure.

Pires, Wiltord, Sagna,...

Think about it

None of which were regarded as one of the finest players around.


You 'tard.

Fidel wrote:

Hlebtastic wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Hlebtastic wrote:Oh yeah he won't flop or fade away at Arsenal coz If there was ever a player made for the way we play It's Arshavin.

I don't think Wenger would have him if he was offered for free.

He is nearing his peak and is regarded as one of the finest players around - leaving Wenger with no excuse for failure.

Pires, Wiltord, Sagna,...

Think about it

None of which were regarded as one of the finest players around.

Ok I'm gonna waste a minute of my day replying to u. A minute! that's all the time I've got for your boring shite.

Actually I won't discuss football with u given your admission that u don't actually watch that much football(no surprise all your football related posts are a load of nonsense).

But here's something for u:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/7458767.stm