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Glen Johnson is the best attacking RB we got attacking i.e. and Ashley Cole best LB overall.

No doubt Walcott was picked for his speed, Sven did the same. Most importantly the players do know what the coach wants. A few heads have to be cracked first before the team falls into line.

DS wrote:Any other option at LB ?
No Glen Johnson didnt have that much of an end product either not to say that there are any better options out there for his attacking Rb slot though he will be tested against a better team and what he did against us in the community shield (Nani was having fun) doesnt bode well.

Wayne Bridges crosses better than Ashley Cole thats about it.

What was Downing picked for ?
Couldnt we use Bullard with Lampard against Andorra rather then Barry who's more defensive ?

Wayne Bridge ?
His last competitive game was ?

Has he proved to be better then A Cole I dont think so.

Why has every coach picked Downing??? he can cross most times I have seen him. I like A.Young but thats another subject

Cole over Bridges agree. cappello must feel downing is more mature than Young at this time.

Cross to who Defoe Rooney ?
As soon as Heskey came on Downing went off ?

Thats what I am saying its mishmash of things , we should get a clear idea of what we wants to do.

Before England can improve they have to buy in to the coach. sounds old. That means forget EPL footy!!!

Warnock has been very good the two times I have seen him this season. But I can live with Ashley but not necessarilly against a defensive side. At the least he should have some serious competition than Wayne "happy to sit on the bench" Bridge. Shorey is another option.

Bridge should never be picked for England until he gets out of Chelsea and plays some games. Its ridiculous how he gets chosen over others.

DS wrote:Cross to who Defoe Rooney ?
As soon as Heskey came on Downing went off ?

Thats what I am saying its mishmash of things , we should get a clear idea of what we wants to do.

DS.... Really there is more than crossing in the air to a big targetman..... Maybe this is where people are getting mislead. By bringing on Heskey in the second half he must of used a plan B

You are not getting it Brian , ok listen to the coach thats fine he asks Downing to cross the ball ok he does but to whom , in the absence of a no 9 those are just hopeful balls which 99% will be cleared , yup he listened to the coach.

Forget EPL crossing in for a targetman isnt really beautiful football its simple and basic football , punting the ball in hopefully a 5 11 SS and a even shorter ST can get on the end of it ,it would be stupid.
Even if we had someone running from midfield gambling on the ball crossed into the box it would make sense even though he dont have someone like Ballack who does that perfectly but it doesnt make any sense.

Khadrim wrote:Warnock has been very good the two times I have seen him this season. But I can live with Ashley but not necessarilly against a defensive side. At the least he should have some serious competition than Wayne "happy to sit on the bench" Bridge. Shorey is another option.

Bridge should never be picked for England until he gets out of Chelsea and plays some games. Its ridiculous how he gets chosen over others.

True most any other club he would be on there first team sheet.

I know Brian that my knowledge is nothing compared to yours , I am just talking about basic football.

Could you explain why he use Downing and what plan B then I will explain what I gather from it.

Warnock and Shorey are decent competitions I agree.

DS wrote:You are not getting it Brian , ok listen to the coach thats fine he asks Downing to cross the ball ok he does but to whom , in the absence of a no 9 those are just hopeful balls which 99% will be cleared , yup he listened to the coach.

Forget EPL crossing in for a targetman isnt really beautiful football its simple and basic football , punting the ball in hopefully a 5 11 SS and a even shorter ST can get on the end of it ,it would be stupid.
Even if we had someone running from midfield gambling on the ball crossed into the box it would make sense even though he dont have someone like Ballack who does that perfectly but it doesnt make any sense.

Defoe and Rooney are the fowards first half. it is there job to get open or find a passing lane for Downing to cross.. Downing is a winger, A supplier of balls to the front line. If you have two small players he knows where the ball is best sent. Not high but to space or to feet.

If Downing has Heskey a Target man he can hit the ball high or into a place where he is able to use his strengths.

Brian2468 wrote:

DS wrote:Cross to who Defoe Rooney ?
As soon as Heskey came on Downing went off ?

Thats what I am saying its mishmash of things , we should get a clear idea of what we wants to do.

DS.... Really there is more than crossing in the air to a big targetman..... Maybe this is where people are getting mislead. By bringing on Heskey in the second half he must of used a plan B

Definately there is alot more to it , but from all the debate I am getting that Capello will first try to install a basic result oriented style rather then some pass move style etc.
So I am just using the basic logic and again I admit I dont have that much understanding of the game.

DS wrote:I know Brian that my knowledge is nothing compared to yours , I am just talking about basic football.

Could you explain why he use Downing and what plan B then I will explain what I gather from it.

DS You know just as much as me or anyone else on this board. I Know what your saying about the crosses I will not see the game until tomorrow, But maybe Capello saw Downing as a player that could supply the ball to both Rooney or Defoe the way they want it. If Downing played bad then I guess something happened.

Brian2468 wrote:

DS wrote:You are not getting it Brian , ok listen to the coach thats fine he asks Downing to cross the ball ok he does but to whom , in the absence of a no 9 those are just hopeful balls which 99% will be cleared , yup he listened to the coach.

Forget EPL crossing in for a targetman isnt really beautiful football its simple and basic football , punting the ball in hopefully a 5 11 SS and a even shorter ST can get on the end of it ,it would be stupid.
Even if we had someone running from midfield gambling on the ball crossed into the box it would make sense even though he dont have someone like Ballack who does that perfectly but it doesnt make any sense.

Defoe and Rooney are the fowards first half. it is there job to get open or easy a passing lane for Downing to cross.. Downing is a winger, A supplier of balls to the front line. If you have two small players he knows where the ball is best sent. Not high but to space or to feet.

If Downing has Heskey a Target man he can hit the ball high or into a place where he is able to use his strengths.

Thats fine but if a team implies 6 players defending then its hard to find spaces like the England forwards were doing whoever the team maybe so you can pretty much rule out a open space unless its a double/triple up like Lampard coming in the mix playing a dummy or shielding one two players making 4 players there Rooney Lampard Downing Cole so even if 4-5-6 players are making some space may get open not counting Defoe as he should be on the other post waiting for any reasonable service etc.
I am saying 4 players in the mix because you mean a short pass dont you because a long diagonal type of pass would result in a cross like thing in such a congestion but for eg Downing pass it short to Rooney whos near the line at the near post while Lampard makes himself available to distract the defenders or even a attempt to play one two or simply receive the ball as Rooney would have been covered by now by 2-3 defenders so you would assume Downing to come inside using the space left by Lampard to gain an advantage so if the ball can be had from that tight corner he would have been availabe while Cole naturally waiting outside if there isnt any chance to play anything the the last resort is to play out and get a cross in which wont be meaningless as there is Rooney already Lampard Downing who by now should be making a run in while Defoe by now should be darting towards the middle and Walcott covering the far corner and Barry in a position to get the ball if its cleared. right thats what you mean I guess its just a simple illustration one way of movement because the strikers are small and the cross isnt that fruitful so even the end product is a cross there are enough bodies in there to make a nuisance

Did you see any movemnet last night so Downing job was stay wide right and let Ashley overlap surely when Ashley overlaps he must have come inside to recieve the ball etc etc but nothing happened so he was the width player rather then the mover so his job would be stay wide cross in , to whom I may ask again ?

DS wrote:

Brian2468 wrote:

DS wrote:Cross to who Defoe Rooney ?
As soon as Heskey came on Downing went off ?

Thats what I am saying its mishmash of things , we should get a clear idea of what we wants to do.

DS.... Really there is more than crossing in the air to a big targetman..... Maybe this is where people are getting mislead. By bringing on Heskey in the second half he must of used a plan B

Definately there is alot more to it , but from all the debate I am getting that Capello will first try to install a basic result oriented style rather then some pass move style etc.
So I am just using the basic logic and again I admit I dont have that much understanding of the game.

It is not pretty stuff I agree. I love attacking footy also but looks like we are going to get a side that looks messy at first and will have to settle into the system Capello wants whether we like it or not...

As I have already said I have backed off and waiting what occurs but still wasnt impressed , it was dreadful football the simple things done wrong.
Do you watch Slovenia some of their moves (some part of 2nd half I watched) were simple yet attractive and fruitful like a shot on target.

I will see the game tomorrow night. Was trying to see the philosophy behind Capello's coaching by reading what people have to say, feel, or report.

DS wrote:As I have already said I have backed off and waiting what occurs but still wasnt impressed , it was dreadful football the simple things done wrong.
Do you watch Slovenia some of their moves (some part of 2nd half I watched) were simple yet attractive and fruitful like a shot on target.

They were on live yesterday. I had to work. Yes England have one main problem fans want us to play like the europeans.... In truth we all know it will be a generation if lucky before we can play this way.. For me I would play for now a first hitting EPL style on football but that would be probability footy and the FA would not indorse it for international games.

Rosicky wrote:

COTR wrote:

I'll join the Hungary bandwagon in a few years when the liverpool guys take over the senior team

Do any of the liverpool guys currently play for the Hungary U21 team

Of course not Rosicky

"Simple football is the most beautiful. But playing simple football is the hardest thing."-Cruyff
This is what I believe in , if you got the simple things right then you can built on that.

2 things that struck me from the game.

1) England are s**t with Gerrard but even more s**t without him.
2) Cole and Rooney are the closest thing England has to creative players. To put them up front or on the wings limits their time on the ball and their passing options.

I think that the team needs to be built around Rooney as a SS. Trouble is that we don't have a striker to lead the line or decent wide players on either flank.

Roger Hunt wrote:
I think that the team needs to be built around Rooney as a SS. Trouble is that we don't have a striker to lead the line or decent wide players on either flank.

Bentley on the right, Joe Cole on the left, Agbonlahor upfront.

Now can I get 4M a year too ?

Roger Hunt wrote:2 things that struck me from the game.

1) England are s**t with Gerrard but even more s**t without him.
2) Cole and Rooney are the closest thing England has to creative players. To put them up front or on the wings limits their time on the ball and their passing options.

I think that the team needs to be built around Rooney as a SS. Trouble is that we don't have a striker to lead the line or decent wide players on either flank.

Ashton leading the line and Bentley on rhe right

Problem is England's good strikers like Owen, Heskey, and Ashton, are never fit on a consistent basis. So even if a coach wants to use them, he can't, because it would mean constantly changing the team to the strikers coming in. That'll never allow for any understanding to be built between midfield and attack.

Ashton, Gabby, and Bentley (and Beckham and SWP to be honest) all fall for me into the 'not quite good enough' category. There are good enough to play for England but imho they are not potential matchwinners. You can carry a couple of players of this standard in a successful team but to have 2 or 3 of your most attacking players in this category does not bode well.

Cole is good enough but he is not a natural left winger, and certainly doesn't add width to the side.

Given the absence of a really good target man striker I am increasingly inclined to think that we should abandon the flanks to the fullbacks and go Christmas Tree, with Cole and Rooney behind Heskey/Ashton, and the remaining midfield spaces kerned out of Lampard/Gerrard/Barry/Carrick/Hargreaves.