Ireland V The Netherlands

@ blutgraetsche

Would KJH be suited to the Bundesliga..maybe @ HSV?

Fey wrote:He has a real Manu face. Im sure he will go there, but on the other hand Fergie is a Dutch-hater

if hes a dutch hater why did he sign stam, gouw, cruff(not so gd one), rvn, etc?
he gets rid of all players at about the age these were shedded
eg. beckham, yorke,

Can we have klaas please Rafa?

rai Mihawk wrote:@ blutgraetsche

Would KJH be suited to the Bundesliga..maybe @ HSV?

Of course he would. I'd love him to play for us in Bremen, replacing Klose next year. I think he would be more suited to our style of play, Hamburg play too defensively. And Thomas Schaaf is a great coach, he would bring out the best of him.

But knowing about all the Dutchies at Holland Sport Verein, HSV is more realistic I guess.
The Bundesliga would be a good intermediate step for him. It definitely wouldn't hurt his career, as can be seen in VDV's case.

I hope that he does not move to a big club straight away, he needs to mature still, and he needs as much match practice as he can get. Either he stays at Ajax, or moves to a good, not top, European side.

blutgraetsche wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:@ blutgraetsche

Would KJH be suited to the Bundesliga..maybe @ HSV?

Either he stays at Ajax, or moves to a good, not top, European side.

I agree with you, he MUST stay @ Ajax until Euro 2008 -- then we see which sides are interested.

rai Mihawk wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:@ blutgraetsche

Would KJH be suited to the Bundesliga..maybe @ HSV?

Either he stays at Ajax, or moves to a good, not top, European side.

I agree with you, he MUST stay @ Ajax until Euro 2008 -- then we see which sides are interested.

Are Liverpool a good not top european side? please say we are

Crouching Tiger wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:@ blutgraetsche

Would KJH be suited to the Bundesliga..maybe @ HSV?

Either he stays at Ajax, or moves to a good, not top, European side.

I agree with you, he MUST stay @ Ajax until Euro 2008 -- then we see which sides are interested.

Are Liverpool a good not top european side? please say we are

Of course.

but i would like him to stay at Ajax -- he has a lot to live up to (this season is BIG for him.)

I prefer him to play at OT..or the San Siro.

oh, Kuijt is definite to sign for Liverpool..

Liverpool scouts were at the match today. I hope they noticed him, and wern't focusing all their attention on kuyty

Crouching Tiger wrote:Liverpool scouts were at the match today. I hope they noticed him, and wern't focusing all their attention on kuyty

They were focusing on Kuijt..(he could sign soon)

Hiddink is rated around the whole globe. But what most people dont know is that he is the one who sold Klaas for 100.000 and bought Sibon for 700.000.

Rob Westerhof must be pullinghis hairs out right now...

rai Mihawk wrote:

Crouching Tiger wrote:Liverpool scouts were at the match today. I hope they noticed him, and wern't focusing all their attention on kuyty

They were focusing on Kuijt..(he could sign soon)

Is it Kuyt or Kuijt? I see it spelt those two ways regulary. surely it only has one spelling?

Ten Cate will hold on to him Until Barca is ready for him.

Messiah wrote:Ten Cate will hold on to him Until Barca is ready for him.

Barcelona would not be a bad move ...now how may Dutch players played for the Catalan Giants??

Crouching Tiger wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:

Crouching Tiger wrote:Liverpool scouts were at the match today. I hope they noticed him, and wern't focusing all their attention on kuyty

They were focusing on Kuijt..(he could sign soon)

Is it Kuyt or Kuijt? I see it spelt those two ways regulary. surely it only has one spelling?

Kuijt - Dutch way
Kuyt - English..

like

Cruijff and Cruyff..

Crouching Tiger wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:

Crouching Tiger wrote:Liverpool scouts were at the match today. I hope they noticed him, and wern't focusing all their attention on kuyty

They were focusing on Kuijt..(he could sign soon)

Is it Kuyt or Kuijt? I see it spelt those two ways regulary. surely it only has one spelling?

Its Kuijt for the Dutchies and its Kuyt for the rest of you all. That Newcastle trainer was there as well as was the chairman....

Messiah wrote:Ten Cate will hold on to him Until Barca is ready for him.

Etto is hardly young.

Huntelaar is having a klaas season already, with 5 goals in 3 games! (sorry)

rai Mihawk wrote:@ blutgraetsche

Would KJH be suited to the Bundesliga..maybe @ HSV?

Somewhere between 3-6 months before Ajax bought Huntelaar, HSV had talks with Heerenveen about him : they could have bought KJH for 5-6 M Euro.

They found that too expensive

And people praise Beiersdorfer for his transfers...

I'm bored so a few stats


Holland's Starting Lineup :

Sar 35

Heitinga 22
Mathijssen 26
Ooijer 32
De Cler 27

Landzaat 30
Schaars 22
Van der Vaart 23 (and already 39 caps )

Van Persie 23
Huntelaar 23
Robben 22

Average age = 25.9 years old

Holland's Finishing Lineup :

Sar 35

Heitinga 22
Mathijssen 26
Jaliens 27
Emanuelson 20

De Jong 21
Janssen 25
Van der Vaart 23

Van Persie 23
Huntelaar 23
Kuyt 26

Average age = 24.6

Next step is to bring in Demi de Zeeuw, Gijs Luirink and Serginho Greene.

To cross out the names "Sneijder" & "Janssen", to vow never to play Kuyt as a left winger *ever* again....and slowly we might be getting somewhere....



Four first time internationals yesterday : Huntelaar, Schaars, Emanuelson & Janssen

Van der Vaart the most capped fieldplayer for Holland (by 16 caps)...

Where are the Holland bashers now???? Does they still think VB has to resign???? Ireland - Oranje was the best friendly I've ever seen from the Dutch! 0-4 could have been 0-8 or 0-9!!!!!

Okay, the Irish were very very poor and were an easy opponent to produce some great passing football but this team played very well!

Good decision of VB to leave and Ruud and Bommel out of the squad! their football qualities are significant less than the young STARS on the pitch!!!!

RJ why did he leave Huntelaar at home in the WC clearly an error imho

ricardojol wrote:Where are the Holland bashers now???? Does they still think VB has to resign???? Ireland - Oranje was the best friendly I've ever seen from the Dutch! 0-4 could have been 0-8 or 0-9!!!!!

Okay, the Irish were very very poor and were an easy opponent to produce some great passing football but this team played very well!

Good decision of VB to leave and Ruud and Bommel out of the squad! their football qualities are significant less than the young STARS on the pitch!!!!

I think vb should resign for not taking huntelaar to the world cup

No not! Huntelaar would be finished off then as well because the midfield played crap!

VB had to play with landzaat instead of van Bommel and Cocu on Sneijders place to get a more balanced midfield. that was more a problem than Huntelaar at the World Cup. And it is a big risk to take a newbee to the World Cup without a cap !

ricardojol wrote:Where are the Holland bashers now???? Does they still think VB has to resign???? Ireland - Oranje was the best friendly I've ever seen from the Dutch! 0-4 could have been 0-8 or 0-9!!!!!

Okay, the Irish were very very poor and were an easy opponent to produce some great passing football but this team played very well!

Good decision of VB to leave and Ruud and Bommel out of the squad! their football qualities are significant less than the young STARS on the pitch!!!!

Oh Puh-Lease.
I still think he has to resign. One game - a friendly vs Ireland B - does not change my opinions.

I do not mind Schaars and Huntelaar in the squad. I do mind dat RvN is being left home for someone like Vennegoor. I do mind vBommel is left home for someone like Theo Janssen. You can say what you want to say but Janssen is not better as vBommel.

Janssen has more skills and is more "formable". Van Bommel never played a decent game in Oranje so tell me why he has to be in the squad...?

Ruud is no Pinch hitter and Vennegoor is a player you always need to have in your squad! You also can say that about Kuijt!

Ricardo, don't embarass yourself here please. I love to hear arguments or points, but you're unjustly gloating here.

Sure Oranje won convincingly over a poor Ireland squad. But everything they will achieve will be in spite of MvB not because of.

That comment is just deluded. Van Basten can be applauded for taking upon him to rejuvenate the Oranje squad, and try new players since the 2006 qualifying, but:
1) the old golden generation were all but done with (bar VDS, Cocu, Stam, Davids)
2) whoever were to be appointed the coach then had to work with youngsters anyhow

Credit to MvB stepping up to the plate. I never had a problem with MvB or the results in the qualifying up to the WC. Perhaps some results were flattered by the result, than as they were on the pitch, but a win is a win; and mind, he was working with youngsters.
I didn't have a (big) problem with prefering not to use Van Bommel for months if not a year - it seemed very strange, due to Van Bommel's qualities, but its a coach's choice and he still gets the benefit of the doubt as it was still a solitary incident.

However, everything he has done, and I mean everything since the qualifying were over begs belief. His ego's ugly head reared in all its power hungry glory.
From the WC squad selection, fucking wiith the formula (omitting players, putting benched shit ones instead), his inexperienced staff, changing tactics as a result of selection, unable to get the best out of our boys, ugliest Dutch football for over 35 years, clashing with players, using the press against players, failing to start the best players (boulah), omitting players for stupid reasons (Boulah's bentley), unable to guide when guidance was needed (portugal), starting an injured VDV, disbalanced team, never taking responsibilty, blaming & ridiculing other players, unable to properly reflect WC performance (his 7).
Add to that, not learning from his mistakes, still favouring Ajax boys, and the grand finale: axing and publically burn bridges with both Van Bommel and RVN.
Why? They're immensily valuable players, from which the young squad can learn much from. Not taking RVN is stupidity. What are we going to do now when Huntelaar is injured/suspended? Start Babel? Wait... I shouldn't have asked you the last one.
Van Bommel is an international class player, with a type of hard agressive game that our young squad misses.

Basicly what we now have is a group of youngsters (talented albeit) with no experience, no guidance, no mentors and no leaders. And no quality back-ups
Like I said everything we achieve now is in spite of Van Basten.

In fact, Van Basten is our weakest link in Oranje. Ego dictates is choices, not ration.


Thus, a win over a poor Irish team is hardly gloating material. If anything it makes you actually sadder, because what the team can really achieve with a proper manager. His irrationalities or "policies" are not incident(s), but repeated mistakes.

I'll write your reaction to blind optimism.

^^ Couldn't agree more with DD !

AMEN DD

de ja voux, manchester results and football improves without him, same for holland, yet you still call for him back

kuyt will play there if kjh is injured