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Germany vs England, missing out XI

by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:59 pm

as the world waits with baited breath for the latest instalment of England vs the nasty Germans, it cannot go unnoticed that several high profile world stars will be notable by their absence.

Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Cole, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, David Beckham, Wayne Rooney, Michael Owen, Joe Cole and Michael Ballack will all be missing on Wednesday, so why not pick an England XI and a nasty German XI from the players NOT involved in this weeks game, tell me who would win and what would be the score.

Players selected must still be professional footballers, although you may select players who have retired from international football, ie Scholes, Carragher, Lehmann etc.

GO!

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by Parks lives Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:15 pm

-------------- Green

Wes Brown, Ferdinand, Ashley Cole

Beckham, Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard

..........J Cole, Owen, Rooney

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Re: Germany vs England, missing out XI

by Kroos Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:54 pm

michael jackson is a world star

ronaldinho is a world star

beckham is a world star

the other players far away from world stars

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Re: Germany vs England, missing out XI

by Ballboy Thomas Müller Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:18 pm

I won´t watch this shite. Hopefully this will be the last friendly against England for a long time. Playing the second string of a second tier nation is a disgrace. Couldn´t care less about the result.

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Re: Germany vs England, missing out XI

by BrianS Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:27 pm

Agreed. Loew should set up friendlies against better teams. Like games against Italy or Brazil because those are the teams you have to beat to win the World Cup.

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Re: Germany vs England, missing out XI

by Ballboy Thomas Müller Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:44 pm

BrianS wrote:Agreed. Loew should set up friendlies against better teams. Like games against Italy or Brazil because those are the teams you have to beat to win the World Cup.

Playing some decent African or South-American team would make sense, too.
I feel sorry for those,who have bought tickets for loads of money to watch this so called "event".
Uwe Seeler will be there to tell everone the ´66 stories, we have heard 1000 times before. I´m afraid, this will be the most exciting part of wednesday evening.

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Re: Germany vs England, missing out XI

by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:44 pm

Toni Kroos wrote:michael jackson is a world star

ronaldinho is a world star

beckham is a world star

the other players far away from world stars

in the footballing world Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Cole, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, David Beckham, Wayne Rooney, Michael Owen, Joe Cole and Michael Ballack are world stars.

Find me someone who follows football who hasn't heard of ALL of these players.

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Re: Germany vs England, missing out XI

by EMP Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:52 pm

kroesius wrote:

BrianS wrote:Agreed. Loew should set up friendlies against better teams. Like games against Italy or Brazil because those are the teams you have to beat to win the World Cup.

Playing some decent African or South-American team would make sense, too.
I feel sorry for those,who have bought tickets for loads of money to watch this so called "event".

There aresome weird friendlies this week. Nigeria is going to play Colombia in Bogota and Egypt are playing Benin, while Ghana are playing Tunisia. Can understand Africans playing each other to some extent, but would be better for them to play other federations in Africa so both can learn something.

@ Germans: Have you heard anything about Mohamed Zidan being dropped by Shehata for feigning injury a while back and never being called up since - interesting because he was accused of doing this in 2006 and I met Shehata in Ghana and he said Zidan missed ACN in 2006 due to big injury, but others said Zidan didn't want to play.

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Re: Germany vs England, missing out XI

by Pierre Littbarski Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:08 pm

kroesius wrote:I won´t watch this shite. Hopefully this will be the last friendly against England for a long time. Playing the second string of a second tier nation is a disgrace. Couldn´t care less about the result.

Get your excuses in early.

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by Sheffield gunner Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:12 pm

How come Lahm isn't in the squad, even though he was fit enough to play for Bayern on Saturday?

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by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:13 pm

Sheffield gunner wrote:How come Lahm isn't in the squad, even though he was fit enough to play for Bayern on Saturday?

Toni Kroos wrote:

he must really think fans are stupid

what a disgrace

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Re: Germany vs England, missing out XI

by Ballboy Thomas Müller Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:14 pm

EMP wrote:
There aresome weird friendlies this week. Nigeria is going to play Colombia in Bogota and Egypt are playing Benin, while Ghana are playing Tunisia. Can understand Africans playing each other to some extent, but would be better for them to play other federations in Africa so both can learn something.

I don´t understand why we never play against some of the rising African teams. Nigeria,Ghana or Egypt for example. The last time we met an African team was in September 2005 against South Africa.

EMP wrote:@ Germans: Have you heard anything about Mohamed Zidan being dropped by Shehata for feigning injury a while back and never being called up since - interesting because he was accused of doing this in 2006 and I met Shehata in Ghana and he said Zidan missed ACN in 2006 due to big injury, but others said Zidan didn't want to play.

der-Westen wrote:Der Westen
27.8.2008Zidans Kraft gilt jetzt nur dem BVB
Neuer Stürmer
Dortmund. Mohamed Zidan hat die ägyptische Nationalmannschaft erst einmal hinten angestellt. „Er will sich jetzt ganz auf Borussia konzentrieren. Ihm tut hier jeder Trainingstag gut”, berichtet BVB-Sportdirektor Michael Zorc.

Während ein Großteil des Profi-Kaders ab nächsten Dienstag in alle Himmelsrichtungen zu Länderspielen ausfliegt, will der gerade vom Hamburger SV verpflichtete Angreifer beim BVB in der täglichen Trainingsarbeit mit Jürgen Klopp Rückstände aufholen. Deshalb hat Zidan Nationaltrainer Hassan Shehata um Verständnis gebeten, dass er er am 7. September, wenn Ägypten auf die Fußball-Auswahl der Demokratischen Republik Kongo trifft, nicht Dienst fürs Vaterland und den Sieger der Afrika-Meisterschaft verrichtet.

According to this article, he has asked Shehata not to call him up for the match against Congo, because he wanted to focus on Borussia Dortmund.

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Re: Germany vs England, missing out XI

by Lesley Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:14 pm

EMP wrote:@ Germans: Have you heard anything about Mohamed Zidan being dropped by Shehata for feigning injury a while back and never being called up since - interesting because he was accused of doing this in 2006 and I met Shehata in Ghana and he said Zidan missed ACN in 2006 due to big injury, but others said Zidan didn't want to play.

I read about that. He was still in Hamburg back then.

There were those rumours in the local media about a feigned injury, but I don't think it was sorted out completely. He did say he was injured (he went to the national team, but returned again without having played) - and apparently the African media stated that he had feigning that injury and the national coach didn't want to call him up for the upcoming games. I didn't know he was never called up since.

So.....might be true, but.....not sure.

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by anglophileHedgehog Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:20 pm

Sheffield gunner wrote:How come Lahm isn't in the squad, even though he was fit enough to play for Bayern on Saturday?

They decided to rest him because he's just come back from injury.

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Re: Germany vs England, missing out XI

by Ballboy Thomas Müller Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:23 pm

Wenger Out !!! wrote:

kroesius wrote:I won´t watch this shite. Hopefully this will be the last friendly against England for a long time. Playing the second string of a second tier nation is a disgrace. Couldn´t care less about the result.

Get your excuses in early.

You want to tell me, you really care about the result? The only interesting point of this match is how the younger players and newbys will do.
Marin for example. Or Compper Weis and Schäfer.
Or this young lad from Chelsea, Mancienne.

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Re: Germany vs England, missing out XI

by EMP Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:24 pm

kroesius wrote:

EMP wrote:
There aresome weird friendlies this week. Nigeria is going to play Colombia in Bogota and Egypt are playing Benin, while Ghana are playing Tunisia. Can understand Africans playing each other to some extent, but would be better for them to play other federations in Africa so both can learn something.

I don´t understand why we never play against some of the rising African teams. Nigeria,Ghana or Egypt for example. The last time we met an African team was in September 2005 against South Africa.

EMP wrote:@ Germans: Have you heard anything about Mohamed Zidan being dropped by Shehata for feigning injury a while back and never being called up since - interesting because he was accused of doing this in 2006 and I met Shehata in Ghana and he said Zidan missed ACN in 2006 due to big injury, but others said Zidan didn't want to play.

der-Westen wrote:Der Westen
27.8.2008Zidans Kraft gilt jetzt nur dem BVB
Neuer Stürmer
Dortmund. Mohamed Zidan hat die ägyptische Nationalmannschaft erst einmal hinten angestellt. „Er will sich jetzt ganz auf Borussia konzentrieren. Ihm tut hier jeder Trainingstag gut”, berichtet BVB-Sportdirektor Michael Zorc.

Während ein Großteil des Profi-Kaders ab nächsten Dienstag in alle Himmelsrichtungen zu Länderspielen ausfliegt, will der gerade vom Hamburger SV verpflichtete Angreifer beim BVB in der täglichen Trainingsarbeit mit Jürgen Klopp Rückstände aufholen. Deshalb hat Zidan Nationaltrainer Hassan Shehata um Verständnis gebeten, dass er er am 7. September, wenn Ägypten auf die Fußball-Auswahl der Demokratischen Republik Kongo trifft, nicht Dienst fürs Vaterland und den Sieger der Afrika-Meisterschaft verrichtet.

According to this article, he has asked Shehata not to call him up for the match against Congo, because he wanted to focus on Borussia Dortmund.

Okay that clears it up. The match against Congo was pretty important to Egypt and Shehata basically want players who are committed to the cause, so he would react badly to it. Zidan was dropped by Shehata during qualification matches at least to the bench, so it is possible Zidan doesn't think he is part of Shehata's plans as well, but he should patch it up quickly, or he could miss out on the historic World Cup assuming Egypt qualify.

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Re: Germany vs England, missing out XI

by Sheffield gunner Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:28 pm

anglophileHedgehog wrote:

Sheffield gunner wrote:How come Lahm isn't in the squad, even though he was fit enough to play for Bayern on Saturday?

They decided to rest him because he's just come back from injury.

Thanks. I wasn't sure if Bayern were playing games with the DfB a bit, but I just had a quick look and saw that he didn't play the whole game like I thought he had (and incidentally, what awful substitutions from Klinsmann when he should have been closing out the match).

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by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:30 pm

btw please do feel free to use this thread to discuss the plight of exiled Egyptian footballers, it's for picking your alternative England/Germany XI AND discussing low key African strikers. Hope that's clear.

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by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:35 pm

Ballack, Lehman, Fitz, Frings, Huth, Prince-Boateng, Volz, Scharner, Pogatetz, Bresciano

any other notable Germans not involved?

COME ON!

someone here must know something about Germany

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by Ricardo Jol Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:39 pm

@Germans
what about ROLFES, is he in or out?

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by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:40 pm

England squad to play Germany:

Carson, Robinson, James,

Bridge, Davies, Johnson, Terry, Lescott, Mancienne, Richards, Upson,

Barry, Carrick, Downing, Bullard, Parker, Wright-Phillips, A Young,

Agbonlahor, Bent, Crouch, Defoe, Walcott.

Germany squad to face England:

Rene Adler (Bayer Leverkusen), Tim Wiese (Werder Bremen)

Marvin Compper (Hoffenheim), Arne Friedrich (Hertha Berlin), Andreas Hinkel (Celtic), Per Mertesacker (Werder Bremen), Marcel Schaefer (Wolfsburg), Serdar Tasci (Stuttgart), Heiko Westermann (Schalke)

Thomas Hitzlsperger (Stuttgart), Jermaine Jones (Schalke), Marko Marin (Borussia Moenchengladbach), Simon Rolfes (Bayer Leverkusen), Bastian Schweinsteiger (Bayern Munich), Piotr Trochowski (Hamburg), Tobias Weis (Hoffenheim)

Mario Gomez (Stuttgart), Patrick Helmes (Bayer Leverkusen), Miroslav Klose (Bayern Munich), Lukas Podolski (Bayern Munich)

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by COTR Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:41 pm

Glenn Hysén wrote:Ballack, Lehman, Fitz, Frings, Huth, Prince-Boateng, Volz, Scharner, Pogatetz, Bresciano

any other notable Germans not involved?

COME ON!

someone here must know something about Germany

Hargreaves Question

Question

Or is he Canadian

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by EMP Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:43 pm

Well while we're at it Hildebrand, Odonkor and Asamoah - have they all played their last internationals? And was Hanke ever in contention?

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by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:43 pm

I don't know

I looked at both squads for some time now and I haven't heard of ANY of the players.

Tobias Weis is surely a made up name

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by COTR Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:45 pm

@ German

Who was that laughable right / left back you brought to the euros ?

Is he still around

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by Calidad Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:46 pm

Who is the LB in that German squad?

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by anglophileHedgehog Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:47 pm

COTR wrote:@ German

Who was that laughable right / left back you brought to the euros ?

Is he still around

You have to be a bit more precise than that, we have so many of them.

Wink

Wink

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by Sheffield gunner Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:51 pm

Glenn Hysén wrote:Ballack, Lehman, Fitz, Frings, Huth, Prince-Boateng, Volz, Scharner, Pogatetz, Bresciano

any other notable Germans not involved?

COME ON!

someone here must know something about Germany

Kuranyi!

COTR: Do you mean Jansen?

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by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:51 pm

I think he means Marcell Jansen.

I've heard of him.

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by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:53 pm

Sheffield gunner wrote:

Kuranyi!

GERMANS

Grr

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