Gerrard arrested in assault probe

Most likely because his mates are wankers, Luis.

borocooper wrote:Most likely because his mates are wankers, Luis.

Still, you don't just hit someone for 'no reason'. At the end of the day neither of us know the full details. What I do know is that Gerrard's involvement was minimal, the jury thought this too so I don't know why you can't get over it.

I really don't get Lulu's argument, it's OK to attack someone if they say something you don't like?

Luis wrote:

borocooper wrote:I dont remember seeing the DJ come over to Gerrard..the CCTV footage seems to show Gerrard go over to the DJ who was sat down wasnt he?

Gerrard went over to him initially, then around 10 minutes later the DJ is away from his area and is talking to Gerrard and his mates, then all of a sudden one of his mates elbows the DJ, I wonder why.

Why are you defending a 5 on 1 assault luis? Do you not think Gerrard was arrogant to think he can just demand control of whats played due to who he is? They were drunk they didn't get their way and it resulted in them attacking an innocent man. Somehow you believe he deserved it for saying something based on your own random assertion

Kimbo wrote:I really don't get Lulu's argument, it's OK to attack someone if they say something you don't like?

I've never said it's OK to do it. But Gerrard shouldn't have gone to jail for a first offence which wasn't that serious. Community service maybe.

Luis wrote:

borocooper wrote:Most likely because his mates are wankers, Luis.

Still, you don't just hit someone for 'no reason'. At the end of the day neither of us know the full details. What I do know is that Gerrard's involvement was minimal, the jury thought this too so I don't know why you can't get over it.

Fuck the jury, they're scouse just like you. Everyone has seen the CCTV and every knows Gerrards involvement, he hit the guy several times, that isn't minimal.

borocooper wrote:I dont remember seeing the DJ come over to Gerrard..the CCTV footage seems to show Gerrard go over to the DJ who was sat down wasnt he?

You have seen one and half minutes of footage which is around twenty minutes long. The rest of the footage to my knowledge has not been released to the public. You can laugh at the jury but they actually know the facts, you are just guessing.

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:

borocooper wrote:Most likely because his mates are wankers, Luis.

Still, you don't just hit someone for 'no reason'. At the end of the day neither of us know the full details. What I do know is that Gerrard's involvement was minimal, the jury thought this too so I don't know why you can't get over it.

Fuck the jury, they're scouse just like you. Everyone has seen the CCTV and every knows Gerrards involvement, he hit the guy several times, that isn't minimal.

Who gives a shit if they're Scouse. So every Scouser brought to trial gets off with it?

Luis wrote:

borocooper wrote:Most likely because his mates are wankers, Luis.

Still, you don't just hit someone for 'no reason'. At the end of the day neither of us know the full details. What I do know is that Gerrard's involvement was minimal, the jury thought this too so I don't know why you can't get over it.

Gerrards involvement was a few needless punches after his wanker mate elbowed some guy in the face. Even if the bloke said something to him, that isnt the reaction any normal, reasonable person would have.

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:

borocooper wrote:Most likely because his mates are wankers, Luis.

Still, you don't just hit someone for 'no reason'. At the end of the day neither of us know the full details. What I do know is that Gerrard's involvement was minimal, the jury thought this too so I don't know why you can't get over it.

Fuck the jury, they're scouse just like you. Everyone has seen the CCTV and every knows Gerrards involvement, he hit the guy several times, that isn't minimal.

Who gives a shit if they're Scouse. So every Scouser brought to trial gets off with it?

borocooper wrote:

Luis wrote:

borocooper wrote:Most likely because his mates are wankers, Luis.

Still, you don't just hit someone for 'no reason'. At the end of the day neither of us know the full details. What I do know is that Gerrard's involvement was minimal, the jury thought this too so I don't know why you can't get over it.

Gerrards involvement was a few needless punches after his wanker mate elbowed some guy in the face. Even if the bloke said something to him, that isnt the reaction any normal, reasonable person would have.

So if a player punches someone on the pitch or headbutts them they should go to jail in your opinion?

Luis wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Luis wrote:

borocooper wrote:Most likely because his mates are wankers, Luis.

Still, you don't just hit someone for 'no reason'. At the end of the day neither of us know the full details. What I do know is that Gerrard's involvement was minimal, the jury thought this too so I don't know why you can't get over it.

Gerrards involvement was a few needless punches after his wanker mate elbowed some guy in the face. Even if the bloke said something to him, that isnt the reaction any normal, reasonable person would have.

So if a player punches someone on the pitch or headbutts them they should go to jail in your opinion?

Yes, obviously.

borocooper wrote:

Not just a punch..a few punches, for no reason. You'd be happy for a twat like that to just be allowed to do that as much as he wants? To anyone he wants? Until finally he does actually do some damage?

How do you know it was no reason

If I said something to provoke someone I would fully expect to get slapped and wouldn't go running to the police over a punch or two.

COTR #1 wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Not just a punch..a few punches, for no reason. You'd be happy for a twat like that to just be allowed to do that as much as he wants? To anyone he wants? Until finally he does actually do some damage?

How do you know it was no reason

If I said something to provoke someone I would fully expect to get slapped and wouldn't go running to the police over a punch or two.

So someone comes over to you, gives you a bit of agro..you tell them to fuck off or something..and they smack you about. You'd be happy with that?

The Irish are a strange people.

Clearly he should have gone down and I'm amazed he didn't - obviously fergie isn't quite as well connected as I thought.

borocooper wrote:

Luis wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Luis wrote:

borocooper wrote:Most likely because his mates are wankers, Luis.

Still, you don't just hit someone for 'no reason'. At the end of the day neither of us know the full details. What I do know is that Gerrard's involvement was minimal, the jury thought this too so I don't know why you can't get over it.

Gerrards involvement was a few needless punches after his wanker mate elbowed some guy in the face. Even if the bloke said something to him, that isnt the reaction any normal, reasonable person would have.

So if a player punches someone on the pitch or headbutts them they should go to jail in your opinion?

Yes, obviously.

Not really, in a certain sporting enviroment you can see why it's different. Leg breaking tackles you cant do in the street but you might get in football. But the guy would be banned for awhile fined etc etc and if serious maybe more.

But Luis is kinda arguing that you can headbutt or punch somebody in the street and you should almost get away with it, im not sure he knows what he's saying.

He never said leg breaking tackles though..if I was watching a football match and I saw a player headbutt another player, I am pretty sure I would think it was just assault and he should get done.

Anyone who really thinks Gerrard should have been put away is delusional. Yes Barton good put away (for what 5 days was it?) but the CCTV footage of that incident showed a nasty scumbag trying to beat the living shit out of someone. The Gerrard one is a massive contrast, a guy that's trying to stick up for his mate, yes it was wrong but to put him in jail for that when so many scumbags do far worse on a saturday night out in town and get nothing would be ridiculous.

borocooper wrote:

COTR #1 wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Not just a punch..a few punches, for no reason. You'd be happy for a twat like that to just be allowed to do that as much as he wants? To anyone he wants? Until finally he does actually do some damage?

How do you know it was no reason

If I said something to provoke someone I would fully expect to get slapped and wouldn't go running to the police over a punch or two.

So someone comes over to you, gives you a bit of agro..you tell them to fuck off or something..and they smack you about. You'd be happy with that?

The Irish are a strange people.

When did I say I would be happy with it

This happens thousands of times every weekend Coop. Even in the great country that is England

Luis wrote:Anyone who really thinks Gerrard should have been put away is delusional. Yes Barton good put away (for what 5 days was it?) but the CCTV footage of that incident showed a nasty scumbag trying to beat the living shit out of someone. The Gerrard one is a massive contrast, a guy that's trying to stick up for his mate, yes it was wrong but to put him in jail for that when so many scumbags do far worse on a saturday night out in town and get nothing would be ridiculous.

His mate wasn't attacked ffs, he didn't need sticking up for. Fucking hell!

Just making the example. Headbutt or a punch also. It happens sometimes and rarely would you see it go outside of football or the police involved and probably rightly so but it's completely different, and there's punishments in place if they do this kind of thing. Obviously it could go further depending on how serious

COTR #1 wrote:

borocooper wrote:

COTR #1 wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Not just a punch..a few punches, for no reason. You'd be happy for a twat like that to just be allowed to do that as much as he wants? To anyone he wants? Until finally he does actually do some damage?

How do you know it was no reason

If I said something to provoke someone I would fully expect to get slapped and wouldn't go running to the police over a punch or two.

So someone comes over to you, gives you a bit of agro..you tell them to fuck off or something..and they smack you about. You'd be happy with that?

The Irish are a strange people.

When did I say I would be happy with it

This happens thousands of times every weekend Coop. Even in the great country that is England

SO if you werent happy with it why would just allow it to happen and do nothing about it?

Im sure it does happen all the time, im sure it'll carry on too as long as people keep getting away with it.

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:Anyone who really thinks Gerrard should have been put away is delusional. Yes Barton good put away (for what 5 days was it?) but the CCTV footage of that incident showed a nasty scumbag trying to beat the living shit out of someone. The Gerrard one is a massive contrast, a guy that's trying to stick up for his mate, yes it was wrong but to put him in jail for that when so many scumbags do far worse on a saturday night out in town and get nothing would be ridiculous.

His mate wasn't attacked ffs, he didn't need sticking up for. Fucking hell!

Why did the Jury say it was self defence then? you know fuck all Kimbo like the rest of us. We have to go on the small amount of CCTV footage that was shown and on that alone I wouldn't convict Gerrard even if I was an Evertonian.

L r dd wrote:Just making the example. Headbutt or a punch also. It happens sometimes and rarely would you see it go outside of football or the police involved and probably rightly so but it's completely different, and there's punishments in place if they do this kind of thing. Obviously it could go further depending on how serious

That Ian Hume incident last season for example..I thought Morgan(was him wasnt it?) should've been done for that. Somehow he didnt even get done by the footballing authorities.

Luis wrote:Anyone who really thinks Gerrard should have been put away is delusional. Yes Barton good put away (for what 5 days was it?) but the CCTV footage of that incident showed a nasty scumbag trying to beat the living shit out of someone. The Gerrard one is a massive contrast, a guy that's trying to stick up for his mate, yes it was wrong but to put him in jail for that when so many scumbags do far worse on a saturday night out in town and get nothing would be ridiculous.

Luis there was one guy..Gerrard was with a load of his mates. His mate attacked that one guy...why do you think gerrard was a victim or his mates victims and needing help try being unbiased for one second.

borocooper wrote:

SO if you werent happy with it why would just allow it to happen and do nothing about it?

Im sure it does happen all the time, im sure it'll carry on too as long as people keep getting away with it.

The guy who caused the serious damage didn't get away with it Coop. The elbow to the mouth caused all the damage.

Are you saying if you got into an argument on a night out and someone slapped you with the only real damage being something like a black eye you would go running to the police ? I know a boxer like Kimmy wouldn't. Are you a bit gay Coop ?

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:Anyone who really thinks Gerrard should have been put away is delusional. Yes Barton good put away (for what 5 days was it?) but the CCTV footage of that incident showed a nasty scumbag trying to beat the living shit out of someone. The Gerrard one is a massive contrast, a guy that's trying to stick up for his mate, yes it was wrong but to put him in jail for that when so many scumbags do far worse on a saturday night out in town and get nothing would be ridiculous.

His mate wasn't attacked ffs, he didn't need sticking up for. Fucking hell!

Why did the Jury say it was self defence then? you know fuck all Kimbo like the rest of us. We have to go on the small amount of CCTV footage that was shown and on that alone I wouldn't convict Gerrard even if I was an Evertonian.

Because the jury are biased. We've all seen the same CCTV as them, a man was elbowed then another man pushed his head down and hit him 3 times. At no point did it look like this 1 man was going to batter Gerrard and all his mates. If someone elbows you and someone else jumps in and starts hitting you would you be happy to see the 2nd man get off with self-defence? Miscarriages of justice happen, you can't just point at the jury all the time.

The jury did not necessarily agree that Gerrard was acting in self defence. They may well have believed that he wasn't, but they could not be sure beyond reasonable doubt that he did not believe that he would be attacked.

It is perfectly consistent with him being not guilty of assault on the criminal standard of beyond reasonable doubt, but guilty on the civil standard of the balance of probabilities. This verdict does not necessaily mean that they believed that he acted in self defence.

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:Anyone who really thinks Gerrard should have been put away is delusional. Yes Barton good put away (for what 5 days was it?) but the CCTV footage of that incident showed a nasty scumbag trying to beat the living shit out of someone. The Gerrard one is a massive contrast, a guy that's trying to stick up for his mate, yes it was wrong but to put him in jail for that when so many scumbags do far worse on a saturday night out in town and get nothing would be ridiculous.

His mate wasn't attacked ffs, he didn't need sticking up for. Fucking hell!

Why did the Jury say it was self defence then? you know fuck all Kimbo like the rest of us. We have to go on the small amount of CCTV footage that was shown and on that alone I wouldn't convict Gerrard even if I was an Evertonian.

Because the jury are biased. We've all seen the same CCTV as them, a man was elbowed then another man pushed his head down and hit him 3 times. At no point did it look like this 1 man was going to batter Gerrard and all his mates. If someone elbows you and someone else jumps in and starts hitting you would you be happy to see the 2nd man get off with self-defence? Miscarriages of justice happen, you can't just point at the jury all the time.

The CCTV footage is 20 minutes long Kimmy. You haven't seen the same footage as them

COTR #1 wrote:

borocooper wrote:

SO if you werent happy with it why would just allow it to happen and do nothing about it?

Im sure it does happen all the time, im sure it'll carry on too as long as people keep getting away with it.

The guy who caused the serious damage didn't get away with it Coop. The elbow to the mouth caused all the damage.

Are you saying if you got into an argument on a night out and someone slapped you with the only real damage being something like a black eye you would go running to the police ? I know a boxer like Kimmy wouldn't. Are you a bit gay Coop ?

I've never been hit in my life COTR, nor have I ever hit anyone. I am not a twat.