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    Post by Puro Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:54 pm

    Begins this Monday Jan 19th 6pm my time Perú-Ecuador. Venezuela are the hosts after Perú lost the tournament due to the corrupt fuckos as always. A very quick rundown on who to watch:

    Argentina: Zuculini, Insua (Liverpool), and Salvio. Two key players missing in Di Franco (Chelsea) and Piatti (Almería).

    Brasil: Marquinhos, Tales, Castro, and Todo says Dentinho too.

    Bolivia: Suárez (only 16 yo), Castellón.

    Colombia: Nazarith, Cárdenas, Arroyo.

    Chile: Medel, Pizarro. Missing a good player in Vargas.

    Ecuador: Rojas, Martínez, Chango.

    Paraguay: Páez, Duarte, Manzur

    Perú: Manco (PSV), Zambrano (Schalke), Cueto (Lech Poznan), Ismodes (Racing Santander). Key player missing through injury is striker Baylón (Sporting Braga).

    Uruguay: Viudez, García, Urretavizcaya.

    Venezuela: Rondón, Acosta.

    Four spots to the U20 WC in Egypt later this year. Brasil and Argentina as always will claim 2 spots, then it's WIDE OPEN. <Ale>


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    Post by DS Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:58 pm

    From little what I have seen of Tales, he looks good, so he is a playmaker like Diego or a more direct like Kaka.
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    Post by DS Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:58 pm

    And Zuculini seems like a Cambiasso type of midfielder, somebody can inform in detail please.
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    Post by mongrel hawk Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:56 pm

    @puro

    do not forget Dentinho.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:31 pm

    and Insua

    why is Rafael not participating?

    have Milan released Pato Banton?

    Oooh!
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    Post by Puro Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:09 am

    Alright Todo! We'll be watching Dentinho.

    Good call Glenn! I forgot that Liverpool released Insua for the U20 tourney. Very good player indeed. <Ale>
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    Post by DS Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:22 am

    Brazil have only called players playing inside Brazil. cheers
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    Post by Fey Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:50 pm

    Denthinho is certainly a good call, was very important in our come back!

    The women will love him too, he is quite hot!

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    Post by Puro Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:03 pm

    Less than two hours to kickoff. GolTv will be showing the games. cheers
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    Post by Calidad Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:09 am

    Is Guilherme of Cruzeiro participating?
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:06 pm

    No Neymar or Coutinho?,Is Neymar still playing that Youth tournament in Sao Paulo?
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:18 pm

    last night

    Peru 1–2 Ecuador
    Venezuela 1–1 Argentina

    tonight

    Bolivia vs Uaregay
    Brazil vs Paraguay
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:37 pm

    Bolivia 0-2 Uaregay
    Brazil 1-1 Paraguay

    tonight

    Colombia - Peru
    Ecuador - Venezuela
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    Post by christmasborocooper Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:31 pm

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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    Post by Fey Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:37 pm

    THEM CORRUPT FUCKOS!!! EVEN THE YOUTH DOESNT GET SPARED!!
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    Post by Fey Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:31 pm

    FFS!!! THEM CORRUPT FUCKOS DID IT AGAIN!!

    Now against them Columbians!! Manco was dangerous but his free kick got saved!!

    Still if it wasnt for them fuckos...we would have won those 2 matches instead of lost them Biggrin <Ale>
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    Post by Rosicky Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:31 pm

    Peru were the first team to be knocked out Very Happy
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    Post by christmasborocooper Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:34 pm

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    Post by Vanilla ice Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:53 pm

    EMPortuguese wrote:No Neymar or Coutinho?,Is Neymar still playing that Youth tournament in Sao Paulo?

    No, Neymar is wipt out with Santos from the Copa Sp. They are besides to young to be part of Brasil U-20, but not for Brasil U-17.
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    Post by Calidad Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:09 pm

    Anyone know why Guilherme of Cruzeiro isn't participating, or Kerrison?
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    Post by Vanilla ice Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:27 pm

    Calidad wrote:Anyone know why Guilherme of Cruzeiro isn't participating, or Kerrison?

    They are both to old to participate. They where born in '88, the limit is '89
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    Post by Calidad Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:27 pm

    Vanilla ice wrote:
    Calidad wrote:Anyone know why Guilherme of Cruzeiro isn't participating, or Kerrison?

    They are both to old to participate. They where born in '88, the limit is '89

    Cheers. I wasn't aware of that rule. I'm not really familiar with any of the squads/players.
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    Post by DS Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:46 am

    The perils of the lure of Europe



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    Held every two years, with the current version under way in Venezuela, the South American under-20 championships are a goldmine of talent.
    I consider the highlight of my career catching Lionel Messi on the way up in the 2005 version in Colombia.

    But there have been plenty of others - Ronaldinho and Roque Santa
    Cruz in 1999, Adriano and Maicon in 2001, Mascherano, Tevez and Daniel Alves in 2003, Mati Fernandez, Diego Godin and Hugo Rodallega in 2005, Alexandre Pato, Lucas, Ever Banega, Edison Cavani and Arturo Vidal two years ago - all wonderful players making a name for themselves on their way to Europe.

    There are times, however, when Europe can come too soon, as the 2009 tournament has already made clear.

    We are now a week into the group phase, which eliminates just four of the 10 nations.

    The action begins in earnest on Saturday, when the six remaining
    countries play off with two objectives in sight - the title, and one of
    the continent's four places in the World Youth Cup, which this year is scheduled for Egypt in September.

    But it is already too late for Peru. They have played their four
    group games and lost them all, and thus become the first team to be
    eliminated.

    This has come as a blow as these are difficult times for Peruvian football. At senior level they lie bottom of the World Cup qualification table and off the pitch, things are just as bad.

    Internal problems saw them threatened with suspension from Fifa and
    they lose the right to host the current tournament following wrangling
    between the local FA and the Sports Institute.

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    The one great hope was this generation of young players, who in 2007 reached the quarter finals of the World under-17 Cup and formed the base of this year's U20 side.

    Great things were expected of them, and especially their star striker Reimond Manco.

    Manco was brought up in Venezuela, who he represented four years ago in the South American under-15 Championships. Then he moved back to the land of his birth, was outstanding at under-17 level and moved from Alianza Lima to PSV of Holland.

    He was following the path of his gifted compatriot Jefferson Farfan, now with Schalke in Germany after a successful spell in Holland. But there is a key difference.

    Farfan moved to Europe after two years in the Alianza first team,
    during which time he established himself as the most devastating
    striker in Peruvian football. Manco went much earlier.

    He had shown flashes of talent at senior level, despite being used
    as a substitute for Alianza more often than not, but when he left for
    Holland, it was too early. Just at the stage when he would have been
    best served by regular first team action, he has found himself on the
    bench or in the stands.

    Back on familiar ground for the South American under-20s, his lack
    of sharpness was clear. His trickery won a penalty in the opening match against Ecuador, but otherwise he roamed the attacking line in a vain search for inspiration.

    In the third game against Argentina he was taken off, and as frustration boiled over he was sent off in the fourth against the
    hosts. As he trudged off the field in Maturin, he may even have been reflecting that it might have been better to have stayed a while longer in South American club football.

    Brazil have learnt this lesson. They took the conscious decision not to
    bring anyone back from Europe for their squad. Experience has taught them that the performance level of the youngsters is liable to suffer if they are not getting a regular game with their clubs. Even so,
    Brazil are not immune from the forces that have proved harmful to Manco.

    Douglas Costa is a left-footed attacking midfielder of rare talent who
    made an immediate impression last year when he got into the Gremio
    first team - but then the global hype machine went into overdrive.

    Before he had played three senior games he was already being linked with Manchester United and Real Madrid. From anonymity to "world's most wanted" lists inside a month - it is a huge burden for a teenager to carry.

    Douglas Costa has looked like a man over-eager to live up to his
    billing in both the matches Brazil have played so far. He has been
    trying to do too much, running down blind alleys and falling over in
    search of a cheap free-kick.

    He was taken off at half time in the last match against Bolivia, and
    as his replacement Tales scored the winner, Douglas might find it hard
    to get back in again.

    But, unlike Reimond Manco, at least Douglas Costa still has time left
    to leave a positive impression in the 2009 South American under-20
    Championships.

    Comments on this piece in the space below. Any other questions on South American football to vickerycolumn@hotmail.com, and I'll pick out a couple for next week.

    From last week's postbag:

    Why doesn't South America rival Europe in terms of wealth and
    prestige (football wise)? Look at what it has. The quality of the
    football, players, the cash going in from transfers, plus the history
    and heritage of the great clubs (Boca, River, Corinthians et al).
    Why aren't the South Americans (particularly Argentina and Brazil)
    playing their hand more strongly? European football, and the World Cup, wouldn't be the cash cow it now is without the razilian/Argentine influence. Those countries should be the China and India of global football. Instead they act like the Bangladesh and Vietnam of the world game.

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    Producing the players is one thing. Producing the structure to keep them is another.

    In terms of international football, the prestige of the South
    American countries is undiminished. No European nation has ever won the World Cup in another continent, and Brazil and Argentina are the teams to beat.

    European club football plays a part in this - although the premature
    move (as discussed above) is detrimental to many careers, it is also
    true that South Americans and Africans benefit from playing in the
    world's top leagues with their worldwide congregation of talent.

    In terms of club football, South American is indeed operating below
    its potential, but it faces one giant problem that is outside its
    control. Salaries for the mass of the people are absurdly low - this
    places obvious limitations on ticket prices, sponsorship budgets and
    therefore on wages for the players - who will inevitably go where they
    can earn more.

    The transfer fees paid to South American clubs are in general much
    lower than when the move is between two European clubs. Even so, the area of the game that makes money is that of producing players to sell - hence the fact that so many investors and companies are getting involved in it.

    And operating as an export industry breeds dangerous vested interests - people with a stake in the failure of the domestic game.


    You are not very well respected in South America, are you Mr Vickery? (fact)
    - Manchester City are a very big club (fact)
    - Manchester City made mugs of Chelsea with Robinho transfer (fact)
    - Manchester City are by far the richest club in the world (fact)
    - You dislike Manchester City (fact}

    Ged, Manchester

    What is your evidence for this last so-called fact?

    I have indeed reported on Brazilian contempt for City - and there has been plenty of it.

    The following are all extracts from last week's Lance!, Brazil's daily sports paper:
    - Exchanging Milan for Manchester City is not worth it for all the
    money in the world. Kaka, this second category Manchester don't deserve your football." (Fernando Santos)
    lol!
    - "Kaka was an example of courage and character [because he didn't
    exchange a multi-European champion for a City who are hardly able to be a rival to their neighbours United -the Manchester who really matter."
    (Mauro Beting)

    - "Kaka shouldn't exchange Milan for the dwarfish Manchester City - a
    type of Juventus of Javari Street [Sao Paulo club comparable to Leyton Orient] who now have a lot of money." (Eduardo Tironi).

    There are plenty more what that lot came from. The fact that I have
    reported this doesn't mean that I agree with it - I've tried to stress
    that this is a misconception based on ignorance, and I've been on
    Brazilian TV explaining that City are big club with a strong tradition
    and fan base. If that has fallen on deaf ears, it could well be evidence for the first of your list of facts.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2009/01/held_every_two_years_with.html
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    Post by Rosicky Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:00 pm

    Ecuador go out after losing a coin toss!!!!
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    Post by christmasborocooper Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:29 pm

    What kind of rule is that?
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    Post by Rosicky Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:33 pm

    borocooper wrote:What kind of rule is that?

    they always have that rule, i have just never heard of it having to be used.

    they couldnt split the teams on anything, so had toss a coin.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_South_American_Youth_Championship
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    Post by christmasborocooper Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:24 pm

    Tossers.
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    Post by Knoblauch Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:32 am

    Fey wrote:Dentinho is certainly a good call, was very important in our come back!

    The women will love him too, he is quite hot!

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    So, I assume the name was given sarcasticly.
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    Post by mongrel hawk Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:48 pm

    borocooper wrote:Tossers.


    believe it or not, the World Cup also has this rule for the group stage. fortunatelly, it has never been needed.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:22 pm

    They should get rid of it before it ever needs to be used. What a ridiculous way to get knocked out of a competition..

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