La Liga Jornada 25

Parks lives wrote:

kas wrote:I was just about to post how fucking shit we are playing, like a Spanish Stoke City...but now that goal will change everything and calm the players down.

Henry does a Ronaldinho - producing a brilliant goal out of nothing to completely change the momentum and atmosphere of a game

Great contribution Parks

If you watched the game, have a clue about how Barça generally react after going a goal up, and would like to discuss why that didn't actually happen in this game, then I'd be happy to share my thoughts.

Or you can keep posting TM-style smileys disguised as windups, it should help take the post count to 40,000 quickly

King Pipita wrote:

Super Madrid wrote:

Hem fet un.. wrote:I think we created enough goals.. But like it has been mentioned we didn't control but rather got caught up in the end to end stuff.. I don't fault Valdes for today but Marquez and Puyol should have done better and Sylvinho seemed out of his depth. Guddy, Etoo and Messi all had chances to kill off the match but hey.. this is life..

Now watch Madrid slowly grind their way to the title

To be honest if you throw away a lead of 12 points you can't claim to deserve it. That is serious bottling on the highest level. I always said Barca were pussies allthough the performance against Osasuna almost convinced me that PEP had beaten that out of Barca.

Forlan+Aguero

And to think some barca fans actually considered whether it was possible that Barca could return the favour of a clap in at the Bernabeu. It is wide open now and with Man Utd prob winning in England and us going out of CL then it wouldn't be a stupid bet to make. Still think based on performances that Barca is the best playing team in Europe but if they can't handle the pressure then they still lack that winning mentallity.

This is one of those games where I could accept a Barca win because it certainly had enough entertainment.

I agree with most of your post but what does this have to do with La Liga?

Exactly.

Anyway, do RM fans think they have a very good chance of winning it, meaning that they will drop 4 less points than Barca in what 14 remaining games ?

He's talking about that correlation between England and Spain the last 7 or 8 years - Valencia won when Arsenal won, Barcelona won when Chelsea won, and Real Madrid won when Man. Utd. won.

I was one of the Barca fans musing over a possible pasillo at the Bernabeu, which was never "expected" but fun to contemplate when we were 12 points up. I don't think it is fair now to say "I said all along this would happen to Barca" since the surprising thing is not that Barca have slipped up a few times, which was always going to happen, but that Madrid would suddenly string 10 wins together out of nowhere, almost unprecedented!

Did Boro "Nostradamus" Cooper et al expect Madrid to do this?

kas wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

kas wrote:I was just about to post how fucking shit we are playing, like a Spanish Stoke City...but now that goal will change everything and calm the players down.

Henry does a Ronaldinho - producing a brilliant goal out of nothing to completely change the momentum and atmosphere of a game

Great contribution Parks

If you watched the game, have a clue about how Barça generally react after going a goal up, and would like to discuss why that didn't actually happen in this game, then I'd be happy to share my thoughts.

Or you can keep posting TM-style smileys disguised as windups, it should help take the post count to 40,000 quickly

You take yourself too seriously. We all have to admit we made some really bad errors of judgement from time to time.

I'm still waiting for us to finish 4th.....

Parks lives wrote:

kas wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

kas wrote:I was just about to post how fucking shit we are playing, like a Spanish Stoke City...but now that goal will change everything and calm the players down.

Henry does a Ronaldinho - producing a brilliant goal out of nothing to completely change the momentum and atmosphere of a game

Great contribution Parks

If you watched the game, have a clue about how Barça generally react after going a goal up, and would like to discuss why that didn't actually happen in this game, then I'd be happy to share my thoughts.

Or you can keep posting TM-style smileys disguised as windups, it should help take the post count to 40,000 quickly

You take yourself too seriously. We all have to admit we made some really bad errors of judgement from time to time.

I'm still waiting for us to finish 4th.....

Yes, that's what I mean - I was wrong about how I thought the match would turn out, but it usually isn't very funny if someone who hardly ever discusses the Spanish league suddenly comes on one of the threads (not knowing yet if you've even watched the game) and posts a little windup.

What about Man. Utd. finishing 4th?

I think he is referring to the fact you predict that since United cleaned up last season, that they wouldnt have the desire to win everything again this season and would end up finishing 4th or so.

Yeah, I think I predicted them to finish 3rd and Parks didn't like it. One of those pre-season threads I think.

It was basically a combination of factors - I thought Chelsea would be awesome with Scolari (fail), Liverpool would improve (was at least kind of right about this), and Arsenal would surprise everyone again (epic fail ).

Also underestimated Ferguson's ability to motivate his team and keep them going. They have suffered the expected injuries and poor form, but mentally are still strong and that's a big reason why they are winning the title again, combined with inconsistencies from their title rivals.

3rd I could of lived with.

http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/english-football-f3/predicted-premier-league-table-08-09-t17344-20.htm

I think it has to do with the incosistence from the other teams.
Arsenal is poor, that was more od less expected, but Chelsea and Liverpool, they really failed, especially the later.
But keep in mind that the league is still not over. MU will eventually start droping points, it's up to the others will they use their chances.
It's same about us and RM, it's not only because we lost 2 games, i mean, that's not such a big issue, but RM is on a great run, 9/10 games unbeaten (won). They will start droping points, and as Messiah said and i agree with him, it's going to start with Bilbao game, and before that the failure in the CL. We just need to begin collecting points, and some help from the referees wont be bad.

Parks lives wrote:3rd I could of lived with.

http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/english-football-f3/predicted-premier-league-table-08-09-t17344-20.htm

Lol, I really did predict you to finish 4th. This was back in July though, I'm sure I did another one later on (apart from the one on page 3 of that same thread)

Anyway, forget it, I was obviously wrong about the big 4's upcoming seasons back then. Next time I'll pick something you can live with

We have more points than we had last year at this time I believe.

I still think Barcelona are favorites of course, and to have any chance we have to win the next 2 games. I remember last season there was a point where we looked very vulnerable after being 8 points ahead of Barcelona and lost 2 games in a row and Barcelona was 2 points behind. But Barcelona responded by losing the next two games in a row and we won them, putting us back to an 8 point lead. After that we never looked back and kept building on that lead.

I'm afraid that something like this might happen to us. If we drop points in the next 2 games and Barcelona wins, we won't be able to recover after that IMO. But then again, how much further can we keep going with a team that barely sneaks in results? I'm already amazed that we managed 10 wins in a row, so winning another 2-3 games after this seems like an impossible task.

DS wrote:

King Pipita wrote:

Super Madrid wrote:

Hem fet un.. wrote:I think we created enough goals.. But like it has been mentioned we didn't control but rather got caught up in the end to end stuff.. I don't fault Valdes for today but Marquez and Puyol should have done better and Sylvinho seemed out of his depth. Guddy, Etoo and Messi all had chances to kill off the match but hey.. this is life..

Now watch Madrid slowly grind their way to the title

To be honest if you throw away a lead of 12 points you can't claim to deserve it. That is serious bottling on the highest level. I always said Barca were pussies allthough the performance against Osasuna almost convinced me that PEP had beaten that out of Barca.

Forlan+Aguero

And to think some barca fans actually considered whether it was possible that Barca could return the favour of a clap in at the Bernabeu. It is wide open now and with Man Utd prob winning in England and us going out of CL then it wouldn't be a stupid bet to make. Still think based on performances that Barca is the best playing team in Europe but if they can't handle the pressure then they still lack that winning mentallity.

This is one of those games where I could accept a Barca win because it certainly had enough entertainment.

I agree with most of your post but what does this have to do with La Liga?

Exactly.

Anyway, do RM fans think they have a very good chance of winning it, meaning that they will drop 4 less points than Barca in what 14 remaining games ?

We have a much better chance to win than we did three weeks ago but I don't buy all of this "the pressure is on Barcelona". We're still behind 4 pts and we can't afford to make any mistakes. Barcelona still have some margin for error. The biggest thing to give us hope is that once again it appears that our players are mentally stronger than the Barcelona players. But it's a long way to go and like I said, I think our remaining schedule is more difficult.

Parks lives wrote:3rd I could of lived with.

http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/english-football-f3/predicted-premier-league-table-08-09-t17344-20.htm

I was also one of those who predicted that Man Utd wouldn't be able to win the league title again because they wouldn't be able to keep form.
I was right about the form but I figured that Chelsea would raise their level which did and then suddenly fell apart. Imo this has more to do with it because Man Utd haven't exactly been playing football this season.

Anyway I was just kidding when I mentioned that the fact that Man Utd are prob going to win this season will have any influence on whatever happens with Real. I hope Barca raise their level because I really don't think we deserve to win the league plus Barca has played veyr good football. With that said if Barca are going to continue displaying a weak mentallity I gladly take the title.

Jaime wrote:
We have a much better chance to win than we did three weeks ago but I don't buy all of this "the pressure is on Barcelona". We're still behind 4 pts and we can't afford to make any mistakes. Barcelona still have some margin for error. The biggest thing to give us hope is that once again it appears that our players are mentally stronger than the Barcelona players. But it's a long way to go and like I said, I think our remaining schedule is more difficult.

Not sure about that, Jaime. You haven't really been under pressure at all so far. Quite the opposite. Since the league was already considered lost and your coach sacked all you had to do is go out and play. We'll see how RM play from here on out when they have to keep winning because there's actually hope of catching Barca.

I have a feeling you will hit your own little slump soon. It always happens in footy. The old up and down.

It could be argued that the first sign of pressure already came when they struggled to break down Espanyol until an individual moment opened up the game for them.


We had that too but sadly Pep and the back 4 decided they couldn't be bothered last night

Effenberg wrote:

Jaime wrote:
We have a much better chance to win than we did three weeks ago but I don't buy all of this "the pressure is on Barcelona". We're still behind 4 pts and we can't afford to make any mistakes. Barcelona still have some margin for error. The biggest thing to give us hope is that once again it appears that our players are mentally stronger than the Barcelona players. But it's a long way to go and like I said, I think our remaining schedule is more difficult.

Not sure about that, Jaime. You haven't really been under pressure at all so far. Quite the opposite. Since the league was already considered lost and your coach sacked all you had to do is go out and play. We'll see how RM play from here on out when they have to keep winning because there's actually hope of catching Barca.

I have a feeling you will hit your own little slump soon. It always happens in footy. The old up and down.

We were already in a slump...for the first 15 weeks of the season.

Super Madrid wrote:

Parks lives wrote:3rd I could of lived with.

http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/english-football-f3/predicted-premier-league-table-08-09-t17344-20.htm

I was also one of those who predicted that Man Utd wouldn't be able to win the league title again because they wouldn't be able to keep form.
I was right about the form but I figured that Chelsea would raise their level which did and then suddenly fell apart. Imo this has more to do with it because Man Utd haven't exactly been playing football this season.

You seem to only count form by attacking play which would fit your posts on the recent CL games. Our points total is pretty similar to last season, if not better. We've not played as expansive football but it's still as effective.
2.4 points a game is excellent.

Plus we were never going to fall apart with Fergie at the helm.

Parks lives wrote:

Super Madrid wrote:

Parks lives wrote:3rd I could of lived with.

http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/english-football-f3/predicted-premier-league-table-08-09-t17344-20.htm

I was also one of those who predicted that Man Utd wouldn't be able to win the league title again because they wouldn't be able to keep form.
I was right about the form but I figured that Chelsea would raise their level which did and then suddenly fell apart. Imo this has more to do with it because Man Utd haven't exactly been playing football this season.

You seem to only count form by attacking play which would fit your posts on the recent CL games. Our points total is pretty similar to last season, if not better. We've not played as expansive football but it's still as effective.
2.4 points a game is excellent.

Plus we were never going to fall apart with Fergie at the helm.

No it is not simply about attacking but how the team fares. The defence has been quite good but the team as a whole hasn't been great or championship like except for the results. I never said Man Utd would fall apart but more that Man Utd wouldn't be able to raise the level enough if the other teams were more motivated.

It turned out that Chelsea were not as stable as it seemed at first hand and not sure what happened with Liverpool but like many I always thought that if Gerrard/Torres were injuried they wouldn't be able to keep it up so they played a very risky game. Not sure if Liverpool have lost points when Gerrard/Torres were out though. Either all this doesn't matter because I wasn't bein serious that for Real to win then Man Utd has to win aswell.

PICHICHI

Eto'o 23
Villa 19
Messi 17
Forlan 17
Negredo 15
Raul 14
Higuain 14
Henry 14
Rossi 12
Aguero 12

Why is Henry below Raul and Higuain even though alphabetically he should be above them?


Just shows you how everything is against Barça...media is always trying to put us down.

Jaime wrote:PICHICHI

Eto'o 23
Villa 19
Messi 17
Forlan 17
Negredo 15
Raul 14
Higuain 14
Henry 14
Rossi 12
Aguero 12

kas wrote:Why is Henry below Raul and Higuain even though alphabetically he should be above them?


Just shows you how everything is against Barça...media is always trying to put us down.

I put him after Raul and Higuain. It was intentional.

Jaime wrote:

kas wrote:Why is Henry below Raul and Higuain even though alphabetically he should be above them?


Just shows you how everything is against Barça...media is always trying to put us down.

I put him after Raul and Higuain. It was intentional.

Even the Madrid fans are brainwashed by their newspapers' approach to life

kas wrote:

Jaime wrote:

kas wrote:Why is Henry below Raul and Higuain even though alphabetically he should be above them?


Just shows you how everything is against Barça...media is always trying to put us down.

I put him after Raul and Higuain. It was intentional.

Even the Madrid fans are brainwashed by their newspapers' approach to life

Nah it's just the cule inferiority complex that you are struggling with. 14 is the same as 14 no matter what order you put it.

Henry played more games than Raul and Higuain, didn't he?

Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Henry played more games than Raul and Higuain, didn't he?

Does it matter?
Don't think Barca fans rate Henry still or I might be wrong. With that said Henry made a great goal last night when they needed it but still don't think he gives alot to the Barca team. They should have gone for Arshavin who could get goals but more importantly he could create alot more chances then Henry.

Jaime wrote:

kas wrote:

Jaime wrote:

kas wrote:Why is Henry below Raul and Higuain even though alphabetically he should be above them?


Just shows you how everything is against Barça...media is always trying to put us down.

I put him after Raul and Higuain. It was intentional.

Even the Madrid fans are brainwashed by their newspapers' approach to life

Nah it's just the cule inferiority complex that you are struggling with. 14 is the same as 14 no matter what order you put it.

Don't worry I'm just kidding

Super Madrid wrote:

Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Henry played more games than Raul and Higuain, didn't he?

Does it matter?
Don't think Barca fans rate Henry still or I might be wrong. With that said Henry made a great goal last night when they needed it but still don't think he gives alot to the Barca team. They should have gone for Arshavin who could get goals but more importantly he could create alot more chances then Henry.

I used to rate Henry before he joined them. Obviously because he was (and still is) the key for Les Blues. But for Farca, He seems to be out of touch, and couldn't dribble past the fullback with his dumb dummy moves. But absolutely right about Arshavin fitting their sytle. Thankfully he didn't sign for them. They signed an incompatible player in Hleb.