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    Bayern sack Klinsmann!

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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:03 am

    ...according to BILD

    Their new saviour for the rest of the season is Jupp Heynckes!

    http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/bayern/2009/04/27/juergen-klinsi-klinsmann/beim-fc-bayern-muenchen-gefeuert.html

    Well done, Hoeneß and Rummenigge. Doh

    And they had the impudence to call Real Madrid a "Zirkusverein" Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Fade out Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:10 am

    Better late than never ok
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    Post by Antarion Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:10 am

    Doesnt surprise me at all. After i heared they had a meeting yesterday, i was sure he get the sack.

    The more interesting thing is, who will be the new coach for the next saison?
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    Post by fcb Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:12 am

    Shocked Shocked Shocked

    Really odd timing, did they not trust him to string some wins together with the other title contenders also dropping points?
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    Post by Antarion Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:15 am

    Well we lost another home game this weekend. While the defeat was rather unlucky, cause schalke didn't play good at all, there was no real "life" in the team.
    In order to secure a CL spot, the sack is a possibility to put some freshness into the team for the last 5 games.
    It can't get worse Neutral
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    Post by Kroos Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:21 am

    ill go for van gaal
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:33 am

    Antarion wrote:Well we lost another home game this weekend. While the defeat was rather unlucky, cause schalke didn't play good at all, there was no real "life" in the team.

    There's no creativity in the team. Bayern were the better team before Schalke scored, so it's not as if they were playing against the coach and wanted to get rid of him. They simply aren't strong enough to break down Schalke's defence and to create clear chances.

    For me, it's 2006/07 all over again.

    If you don't have Toni at his best and Klose to support him and if your opponents manage to take Ribéry out of your game, which most teams are able to do nowadays, then you have the same mediocre team like in 2006/07 and shouldn't be surprised by the dire results.

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    Post by Rosicky Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:39 am

    Salihovic wrote:ill go for van gaal

    Very Happy

    Im sure Otto will agree with you.
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    Post by Antarion Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:40 am

    The main problem was indeed the team, when you have to play with Lell, oddo and Ottl because there are no better players avvailable, you have to blame the transfer policy. Janßen and another striker should be on board too. (Ok that Poldi plays his worst saison this year was a bit unexpected)

    So, who is really to blame for this? Was it ok to sack him now or should he given more time for his project?
    We will enver know what would have been next year with Klinsmann and a few new players.
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    Post by dont panic! Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:47 am

    and to think certain people thought he would have been great as englands manager.

    the guy is a TERRIBLE manager, löw was and still is the man behind germanys relative success over the past few years
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    Post by SuperMario Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:55 am

    So will Herr Moenchengladbach be able to turn things around & save Bayern's ass? Jupp's return at BMG wasn't a success, he didn't win a Bundesliga match for 14 matches.

    What is expected of him CL qualification? Bundesliga title?

    1970s Heynckens was the dogs bollox, but does he still have what it takes?
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    Post by Antarion Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:02 am

    De Guzman wrote:So will Herr Moenchengladbach be able to turn things around & save Bayern's ass? Jupp's return at BMG wasn't a success, he didn't win a Bundesliga match for 14 matches.

    What is expected of him CL qualification? Bundesliga title?

    1970s Heynckens was the dogs bollox, but does he still have what it takes?

    Only CL qualification is expected.

    Don't like Heynckes much, luckily only for 5 games.
    Gerland is not bad though as a co
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    Post by SuperMario Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:18 am

    CL qualification should be doable, HSV are tired, Hertha will fuck up.

    Wolfsburg, Stuttgart & Bayern for me.
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:32 am

    Heynckes is only third choice it seems. They asked Hitzfeld and Scholl (Biggrin) but they both declined. lol!
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:45 am

    Antarion wrote:So, who is really to blame for this? Was it ok to sack him now or should he given more time for his project?
    We will enver know what would have been next year with Klinsmann and a few new players.

    As things are working at Bayern it was right to sack him. They need to play CL next season and have to finish in the top 3, but under Klinsmann and the massive media attention it would have been impossible to work and achieve this goal.

    The problem I have with all this is that he was brought in under a wrong premise. Before the season Hoeneß said they had two options: either they heavily invest again into the quality of their squad, or they hire someone who tries to get the best out of the current one. They opted for the latter but without adjusting their expectations accordingly. They wanted change but without risk and pain.

    Klinsmann is not blameless. He certainly overestimated the quality (in depth) of his squad as well as his own abilities to improve every player, but IMO he's not the root of their problems and should not serve as the scapegoat for the mistakes that are made by the Bayern board for several years now.

    Magath also served as the scapegoat two years ago. It's poetic justice that Magath's entire starting XI that thrashed Bayern was brought in under his reign (for less than €40m (!!!) btw). He himself built up a team according to his wishes, something he was never allowed to do with Bayern and it has been proven successful.

    One would expect that Bayern learn from this mistake, but no! Only two years later, it's again the coach who has to take fall not only for his own failures but again for those of Hoeneß and Rummenigge. Bravo!
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    Post by Allez les rouges Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:56 pm

    Proletenkurve triumphs again. Good one, I imagine Heynckes and Gerland will tear up the league with their glorious brand of sophisticated attacking football...
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:39 pm

    Just seen the press conference with KHR and UH. According to KHR the board was convinced of Klinsmann's concept but he hasn't met the expectation of the public and couldn't win over the fans so had to be sacked.

    Der Pöbel plus media make policy at Bayern. cheers
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    Post by Effenberg Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:49 pm

    I think Bayern are hoping for the 'new manager' effect that will carry them to the end of the season. People like to say that they're only 3pts behind the leader, but forget that they're also only 1pt from the Uefa Cup. The way they played against Schalke was really worrisome.

    What I always thought was missing was tactical flexibility. It looked like he might have had all these grand plans, but no idea how to implement them on a club level.

    Apparently, during half time against Schalke all Klinsmann said was: 'You just have to score a goal.' Bayern had no idea how to break down Schalke's defense, and neither did Klinsmann, it seems.

    Things went against Klinsmann from the start. No real preparation due to Euro 2008, no good transfers, too many injuries. I wonder how things might have turned out if Klose hadn't stepped into a hole on the pitch in Bochum.

    It has to be said, though, that it was he who had Jansen sold. Obviously, with hindsight, not a smart decision to trust Lell and Oddo on the right and depend on Lahm for a whole 45+ game season. Maybe Klinsmann thought he was invincible and injuries could not possibly happen to his key players.

    The board messed things up as well, just as people have said on here. Time for Hoeness to leave the bench finally and let the club move on.

    Jupp, please get us into the Champions League and then enjoy your retirement. Thanks.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:08 pm

    Salihovic wrote:ill go for van gaal
    Heard that he was in talks with the Belgian national team a few days ago. Although I'm sure he would give the Bayern post some serious consideration.
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    Post by TM Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:11 pm

    There was a guy on SSN earlier, an editor of Bild. Who said Bayern are targeting Wenger to take over Laughing
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    Post by Effenberg Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:27 pm

    They've been after Wenger for many years. Doubt it'll happen, but maybe he's sick of finishing 3rd or 4th every year.
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:24 pm

    Wenger is merely an upgrade to Klinsmann. He also needs time to get his concept working, time a coach at Bayern won't get as Hoeneß admitted today. Actually, this statement rules out virtually any coach for them with an aspiration to develop a team. Rolling Eyes

    Guess it will be Schuster then. Laughing
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    Post by Antarion Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:30 pm

    Sammer + Scholl

    and Kahn as manager


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    Post by Six Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:54 pm

    They have wasted a year either way, so I don't see how this will placate impatient fans. Munich may now go the way of Madrid, but I doubt it. Still silly continentals though.

    Get a manager in his prime, indulge him for 3-4 years and there's a good chance of success. Getting a new one every year and putting no faith in him and there isn't.
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    Post by TM Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:21 pm

    Bayern sack Klinsmann! Bernd_Schuster
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    Post by Axeslammer Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:30 pm

    Antarion wrote:Sammer + Scholl

    and Kahn as manager


    Bubbly

    Klopp + Daum with Lothar as manager cheers
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    Post by Antarion Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:39 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:
    Antarion wrote:Sammer + Scholl

    and Kahn as manager


    Bubbly

    Klopp + Daum with Lothar as manager cheers

    cheers elephant Laugh Rudolph
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    Post by SuperMario Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:24 pm

    Rudi Voller as TD, Mattheus as manager & van Bommel as assistant Ale
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:02 pm

    De Guzman wrote:CL qualification should be doable, HSV are tired, Hertha will fuck up.

    Wolfsburg, Stuttgart & Bayern for me.

    Stuttgart to win the league would be fun... No one saw them as title battlers for month... cheers

    But I still hope HSV can make it but mostly they fuck things up at the end...
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:12 pm

    Bayern Munich call time on Jürgen Klinsmann's failed revolution

    With his reformist agenda dead, an embarrassing over-dependence on Frank Ribéry and a public falling-out with key players, Klinsmann leaves with his credibility irreparably damaged
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    There was just enough time for a final corner, deep into extra-time. As Bayern were pushing all men forward in a desperate attempt to force an equaliser, the crowd refused to respond with one last roar. The faithful supporters behind the goals were not even paying attention to the match by this stage: they were far too busy shouting "Klinsmann raus!" – Klinsmann out – instead.

    Less than 48 hours after the 1–0 home defeat against a fairly ordinary Schalke 04, on the very same day that Bayern had fired Otto Rehhagel after a 1–0 home defeat against Hansa Rostock 13 years ago, the fans were granted their wish. Jürgen Klinsmann, whose unshakeable, California-sized optimism had been parodied by left-leaning broadsheet Taz only 10 days ago – a montage had him nailed against the cross, under the line "always look on the bright side of life" – had hoped that league leaders Wolfsburg's shock defeat away by Cottbus on Sunday evening could stave off the inevitable. But according to general manager Uli Hoeness, the board felt only strengthened in their resolve by that result: "We said now is the time. Maybe we can still turn it around."

    "We didn't come to this decision easily", said the vice-president, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, at the packed press conference. "But the results of the past weeks, the way they came about and especially the situation with five games to go forced us to act out of responsibility to the club." "Klinsmann lost all the important games since the winter break," added Hoeness. Klinsmann, for his part, declared his "great disappointment", thanked fans and club "from the heart for an eventful time" and claimed that Bayern were still in a position to win the championship. "We've laid the foundations for the future," he said, before taking the first flight to Los Angeles (allegedly).

    The former Bayern manager Jupp Heynckes will be left to pick up the pieces and ensure at least automatic Champions League qualification, in other words second spot. Bayern are only three points behind Wolfsburg but they are also only third in the table and ahead of Stuttgart and Hamburg merely on goal difference. The fear of finishing in the Uefa Cup/Europa League for a second time in three years and of a possible loss of approximately €50m (£44.5m), proved simply too strong. "They are forced to act now, unless they want the most outrageous accusation possible levelled at them – endangering the financial well-being of the company," wrote Süddeutsche Zeitung on Monday morning.

    Ironically Bayern's defeat was actually one of the better ones under Klinsmann. They had started well enough in the Allianz Arena but conceded after a combination of defensive blunders by Martín Demichelis and Andreas Ottl, then never recovered. Franck Ribéry's dismissal after a petulant second yellow was symbolic of a team that had lost both its way and nerve. Ze Roberto's admission that the coach had said nothing more than "you have to score a goal" at half-time may well have been the final straw: Klinsmann, who had come well short in man-management and tactics before, was now even failing his specialist subject, motivation.

    To be fair, there are plenty of mitigating circumstances. He worked at a club that explicitly wanted change, but change on its own terms and without a pesky let-up in wins. Short-termism trumped the strategic repositioning of the team; Klinsmann was never allowed a free rein. Without power to add his preferred players to the squad, he was somehow supposed to paint an avant-garde masterpiece with the old brushes and fairly limited colour palette of his predecessors.

    Bayern, in addition, did not heed the lessons of 2007. Massimo Oddo and Tim Borowski, the summer reinforcements, were anything but and the quality of the overall squad was yet again severely over-estimated. The dependence on Ribéry, in particular, is still embarrassingly obvious. "Everybody knows their game breaks down when you take him out," said Schalke's Jermaine Jones.

    Some of Klinsmann's initial, radical ideas – getting rid of the pantomime enforcer Mark van Bommel and the hopelessly average Michael Rensing in goal – were right but then either not followed through with conviction or resisted at board level.

    Plenty of others, though, were plain daft. Dabbling with a 3-5-2 system, picking an assistant manager without Bundesliga experience, yoga classes for the players, Landon Donovan … "His concept convinced us – on paper," said Hoeness pointedly. Minutes before kick-off players still did not know whether they were supposed to play a pressing game. After very vocal off- and on-the-record criticism of tactics that were seen as too attacking by key squad members, Klinsmann relented in February. The numbers improved slightly but his credibility was damaged irreparably.

    His list of mistakes and bad results on their own might not have been enough to warrant the sack but they were in painfully sharp contrast to his promises of a brave new Bavarian world (scientific methods, top-level tactics, personal and collective improvement).

    Klinsmann seduced the board and many neutrals – including this column – with his reformist agenda. Sadly he did not have the means or a Jogi Löw by his side to put any of it into practice. "We need a sense of new beginning," said Hoeness today. "There have been too many things holding us back recently." Heynckes was exactly the right man now, he added. "He is a football teacher," Hoeness said – as opposed to Klinsmann, he implied, who was sadly exposed as a pupil at this level.

    Maybe he simply shared the fate of so many self-styled revolutionaries: once in power, their idealism soon descends into dictatorship, the dictatorship of the mediocre in Comrade Klinsi's case.

    Results: Hoffenheim 0-1 Hertha, Bayern 0-1 Schalke, Bremen 3-2 Bochum, Stuttgart 2-0 Frankfurt, Dortmund 2-0 Hamburg, Hannover 2-1 Köln, Leverkusen 0-1 Karlsruhe, Cottbus 2-0 Wolfsburg, Gladbach 1-1 Bielefeld.

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