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Wonder what the odds are of Klinsmann being Spurs manager this time next yr. You know how it goes...'arry starts badly, board panic - bring in one time fan's favourite 
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Bayern sack Klinsmann!
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surprise, surprise
Klinsi is GONE, Heynckes is there
and the players are SMILING and in SPLENDID SPIRITS
http://www.sport1.de/
click "Don Jupp"
picture 1
picture 4: Toni and Ribery get INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME
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http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/0904/Artikel/bayern-muenchen-live-ticker-hoeness-klinsmann-heynckes.html
first reports of the Heynckes training:
16:35 Uhr: Olala, der erste KRACH? Toni und Ribery tratschen, Heynckes schreit: "Hey!" Ribery und Toni stoppen umgehend ihren Smalltalk. Sind die beiden etwa nicht bei der Sache?
16:43 Uhr: Die Lage ist klar: Nix Zuckerbrot, Peitsche pur! Heynckes gibt Vollgas! "Spiel den Pass gescheit", ruft der Chef Christian Lell zu. Heynckes ist der unumstrittene Boss, da ist ein ganz anderer Zug im Training als zuletzt unter Klinsmann
16:48 Uhr: Kurze Verschnaufpause. Ballhochhalten ist angesagt. Kurze Lagebesprechung zwischen Heynckes und Gerland. Toni macht wie immer seine Faxen. Dem wird das Lachen schon noch vergehen...
17:28 Uhr: Dafür gibt's positive Nachrichten von Tim Borowski: Der Ex-Bremer scheint heute einen Sahnetag erwischt zu haben, drei Tore in fünf Minuten können sich sehen lassen. Glaubt da einer wieder an seine Chance auf die Startelf?
Klinsi is GONE, Heynckes is there
and the players are SMILING and in SPLENDID SPIRITS
http://www.sport1.de/
click "Don Jupp"
picture 1
picture 4: Toni and Ribery get INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME
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http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/0904/Artikel/bayern-muenchen-live-ticker-hoeness-klinsmann-heynckes.html
first reports of the Heynckes training:
16:35 Uhr: Olala, der erste KRACH? Toni und Ribery tratschen, Heynckes schreit: "Hey!" Ribery und Toni stoppen umgehend ihren Smalltalk. Sind die beiden etwa nicht bei der Sache?
16:43 Uhr: Die Lage ist klar: Nix Zuckerbrot, Peitsche pur! Heynckes gibt Vollgas! "Spiel den Pass gescheit", ruft der Chef Christian Lell zu. Heynckes ist der unumstrittene Boss, da ist ein ganz anderer Zug im Training als zuletzt unter Klinsmann
16:48 Uhr: Kurze Verschnaufpause. Ballhochhalten ist angesagt. Kurze Lagebesprechung zwischen Heynckes und Gerland. Toni macht wie immer seine Faxen. Dem wird das Lachen schon noch vergehen...
17:28 Uhr: Dafür gibt's positive Nachrichten von Tim Borowski: Der Ex-Bremer scheint heute einen Sahnetag erwischt zu haben, drei Tore in fünf Minuten können sich sehen lassen. Glaubt da einer wieder an seine Chance auf die Startelf?
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latest incriminating EVIDENCE that Klinsi was NOT who he CLAIMED to be
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Probably after his schwalbe in '88
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Axeslammer wrote:Probably after his schwalbe in '88
No, after we demolished you in 1990 on the way to our THIRD world cup.
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Effenberg wrote:Axeslammer wrote:Probably after his schwalbe in '88
No, after we demolished you in 1990 on the way to our THIRD world cup.
Uhuh, he needed a schwalbe for that too in the final
You can take a cheat out of Germany, but you can't...
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Effenberg wrote:Axeslammer wrote:Probably after his schwalbe in '88
No, after we demolished you in 1990 on the way to our THIRD world cup.
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tz-online wrote:Wie sehr wollen Sie bei Transfers investieren?
Hoeneß: Grundsätzlich kann ich mir vorstellen, dass wir nichts mehr machen. Wenn wir aber die Champions League erreichen, kann es auch sein, dass wir nochmal groß zuschlagen.
http://www.tz-online.de/sport/fussball/fc-bayern/tz-hinter-jedem-trainer-steht-auch-familie-250797.html?cmp=defrss
Hoeneß regarding transfers in the summer: "I can imagine us doing nothing."
His delusion knows no bounds.
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Der deutsche Stammtisch hat gesiegt
http://www.zeit.de/online/2009/18/klinsmann-hoeness-entlassung-bayern-markwort?page=1
ZEIT article on the Klinsmann sacking. Sums it up perfectly.
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Yes i think there are some true words in this article.
It seems Klinsmann is not the guy the random football prolet want to see. His optimism is something most germans lack. Someone in good mood and always smiling seems too strange for most stammtisch-fans. Thats not the normal hard working german guy.
I also thought it was a mistake to make Lehmann no1 and remove Kahn...but thats sth I can forgive. Many other fans went over that like crazy berserkers even now-
Klinsmann really was the perfect example that you can do what you want if most of the "hardcore" fans don't like you, you have no chance.
He did make mistakes for sure, but there was no way he had a future at all at bayern.
It seems Klinsmann is not the guy the random football prolet want to see. His optimism is something most germans lack. Someone in good mood and always smiling seems too strange for most stammtisch-fans. Thats not the normal hard working german guy.
I also thought it was a mistake to make Lehmann no1 and remove Kahn...but thats sth I can forgive. Many other fans went over that like crazy berserkers even now-
Klinsmann really was the perfect example that you can do what you want if most of the "hardcore" fans don't like you, you have no chance.
He did make mistakes for sure, but there was no way he had a future at all at bayern.
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Klinsi did not fail because of the hard-core fans
he failed because he did not produce any results
he failed because not even the slightest hint of an improvement in style or flair was detectable
if Klinsi's Bayern had played like Hoffenheim in the first part of the season (and THAT is what he promised), he could have failed to win a single trophy, and would still manage Bayern next season
PROVIDED Bayern had qualified for the CL
Kahn summoned up nicely the feeling at Bayern when he said ANOTHER SEASON in the UEFA CUP would have been UNBEARABLE
and remember, Bayern NOW, under Klinsi were ONE point away from a UEFA Cup place, despite the fact that NONE of the other teams seem to want to win the league and have FAR WEAKER SQUADS and TEAMS
@hässchen
of course, Hoeness and DUmmenigge are THE LOSERS of this sorry episode
they are SO CLUELESS it's insane
and I promise you, VERY FEW if ANY of the journalists will talk of "GEBALLTE FUSSBALLKOMPETENZ" when they talk of the Bayern boardroom in the future
that chapter is closed
give credit though where credit is due
it was the SPRINGER press that asked Dummenigge the TOUGH questions
Bild asked him why he did not resign NOW , considering he was responsible for hiring Klinsi in the first place ; and Sportbild has been scathing regarding Hoeness' competence in this story
@antarion
I agree 100% on Germans being often sceptical of optimism and cheerfulness
earnestness and Miesepetrigkeit seem to be highly valued in the Vaterland
but it's not all black and white
the fans shouting "Klinsi RAUS" were a TINY minority
it's true to say though that Hoeness should NEVER have hired Klinsi IN THE FIRST PLACE considering the unpopularity of the Swabian
one Munich paper conducted an online survey who the most UNPOPULAR player OR manager in the history of Bayern Munich was (this happened a few weeks ago)
1. Klinsi: the PLAYER (I think he got over 40% )
2 and 3 went to Ballack and Sforza (I think)
4. Klinsi: the MANAGER
the interesting part here is Klinsi as PLAYER: the FANS , and not just the Südkurve, already could not stand him then and still remember this NOW
and if I remember correctly, the feeling was mutual
when Klinsi left Bayern he said something like "I will never return to this dreaded place"
since those doomed days as a player he managed to sack their beloved TITAN from the HOME-World Cup (and he WAS right to prefer Lehmann) and fired Bayern legend Sepp Maier even before that (and RIGHTLY so again)
still
if you would have wanted to sell ONE VOODOO DOLL at the Bayern fan shop
the best-seller, even before the Swabian joined Bayern as manager, would have been Jürgen
just like Matthäus would be THE best-seller in an ORANJE fan-shop
in this context, for Hoeness and Dummenigge to HIRE Klinsi was MADNESS and SUICIDE
no matter whether Klinsi was going to be the real deal or not
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Metze is right when she says Klinsi was never given total control
but he was still given A LOT OF CONTROL
he just did not seem to know what to do with it
VERY SHORTLY after Klinsi was sacked the football correspondent of N24 received A NUMBER of SMSs from BAYERN PLAYERS, ALL expressing huge relief that the Klinsi episode was OVER
one of the messages was almost biblical in tone, saying
"es ist vollbracht"
sorry, häschen
but Klinsi spent too much time hugging Hoeness and not enough time wooing the lockerroom
already last autumn, Hoeness said publicly
"Jürgen does not have to spend any more time convincing us (the board) of his work, we already believe in him. he now has to start persuading the PLAYERS"
a mission, that , helas, he found too hard to warm to
wahre G
he failed because he did not produce any results
he failed because not even the slightest hint of an improvement in style or flair was detectable
if Klinsi's Bayern had played like Hoffenheim in the first part of the season (and THAT is what he promised), he could have failed to win a single trophy, and would still manage Bayern next season
PROVIDED Bayern had qualified for the CL
Kahn summoned up nicely the feeling at Bayern when he said ANOTHER SEASON in the UEFA CUP would have been UNBEARABLE
and remember, Bayern NOW, under Klinsi were ONE point away from a UEFA Cup place, despite the fact that NONE of the other teams seem to want to win the league and have FAR WEAKER SQUADS and TEAMS
@hässchen
of course, Hoeness and DUmmenigge are THE LOSERS of this sorry episode
they are SO CLUELESS it's insane
and I promise you, VERY FEW if ANY of the journalists will talk of "GEBALLTE FUSSBALLKOMPETENZ" when they talk of the Bayern boardroom in the future
that chapter is closed
give credit though where credit is due
it was the SPRINGER press that asked Dummenigge the TOUGH questions
Bild asked him why he did not resign NOW , considering he was responsible for hiring Klinsi in the first place ; and Sportbild has been scathing regarding Hoeness' competence in this story
@antarion
I agree 100% on Germans being often sceptical of optimism and cheerfulness
earnestness and Miesepetrigkeit seem to be highly valued in the Vaterland
but it's not all black and white
the fans shouting "Klinsi RAUS" were a TINY minority
it's true to say though that Hoeness should NEVER have hired Klinsi IN THE FIRST PLACE considering the unpopularity of the Swabian
one Munich paper conducted an online survey who the most UNPOPULAR player OR manager in the history of Bayern Munich was (this happened a few weeks ago)
1. Klinsi: the PLAYER (I think he got over 40% )
2 and 3 went to Ballack and Sforza (I think)
4. Klinsi: the MANAGER
the interesting part here is Klinsi as PLAYER: the FANS , and not just the Südkurve, already could not stand him then and still remember this NOW
and if I remember correctly, the feeling was mutual
when Klinsi left Bayern he said something like "I will never return to this dreaded place"
since those doomed days as a player he managed to sack their beloved TITAN from the HOME-World Cup (and he WAS right to prefer Lehmann) and fired Bayern legend Sepp Maier even before that (and RIGHTLY so again)
still
if you would have wanted to sell ONE VOODOO DOLL at the Bayern fan shop
the best-seller, even before the Swabian joined Bayern as manager, would have been Jürgen
just like Matthäus would be THE best-seller in an ORANJE fan-shop
in this context, for Hoeness and Dummenigge to HIRE Klinsi was MADNESS and SUICIDE
no matter whether Klinsi was going to be the real deal or not
-------------
Metze is right when she says Klinsi was never given total control
but he was still given A LOT OF CONTROL
he just did not seem to know what to do with it
VERY SHORTLY after Klinsi was sacked the football correspondent of N24 received A NUMBER of SMSs from BAYERN PLAYERS, ALL expressing huge relief that the Klinsi episode was OVER
one of the messages was almost biblical in tone, saying
"es ist vollbracht"
sorry, häschen
but Klinsi spent too much time hugging Hoeness and not enough time wooing the lockerroom
already last autumn, Hoeness said publicly
"Jürgen does not have to spend any more time convincing us (the board) of his work, we already believe in him. he now has to start persuading the PLAYERS"
a mission, that , helas, he found too hard to warm to
wahre G
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I agree that he shouldn't been hired in the first place, given his unpopularity with the fans. But Hoeness doese care more for the event publicity anyway and ignores the real fan clubs.
I imagine klinsis modell that he presented to the bayern bosses did impress them. It wasn't a bad modell i think, with new fitness center, special coaches etc etc etc but they lost their mind and not seeing the risks and downsides.
Klinsmann not being liked, too much change at once, no experience as a club coach, 1000 american fitness guys with no clues of european football, making individual players matter more than team spirit and tactics...
I imagine klinsis modell that he presented to the bayern bosses did impress them. It wasn't a bad modell i think, with new fitness center, special coaches etc etc etc but they lost their mind and not seeing the risks and downsides.
Klinsmann not being liked, too much change at once, no experience as a club coach, 1000 american fitness guys with no clues of european football, making individual players matter more than team spirit and tactics...
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Antarion wrote:
Klinsmann really was the perfect example that you can do what you want if most of the "hardcore" fans don't like you, you have no chance.
He did make mistakes for sure, but there was no way he had a future at all at bayern.
I think if the board firmly stood behind the coach and continuously communicated this to the public then there would have been a chance for him to stay longer.
Staying silent for so long to the boos of the fans and criticism of the press was the worst Hoeneß & co could do though, as it only stirred up further speculation and made proceeding with the project impossible.
I also think that Klinsmann's concept is good. As I said in the other thread, you can draw conceptual parallels to Favre's work here in Berlin and he's fairly successful with it.
While I support his concept in principle, it has to be said that the implementation (or his attempt of it) in many ways was too amateurish. The fact that the players just won the Double and therefore saw no reason for "change" made it no easier.
72-76-80-96-08 wrote:Klinsi did not fail because of the hard-core fans
he failed because he did not produce any results
he failed because not even the slightest hint of an improvement in style or flair was detectable
if Klinsi's Bayern had played like Hoffenheim in the first part of the season (and THAT is what he promised), he could have failed to win a single trophy, and would still manage Bayern next season
The saviour Rangnick also didn't manage to turn Hoffenheim into an attacking team overnight, Otto. That needs time.
And what sort of improvement in style do you expect without a proper pre-season?
Bayern under Hitzfeld or Magath didn't deliberately play an ugly brand of football, but were forced so to deliver short-term results.
A few months under Klinsmann won't suddenly change this.
Bayern did play well at the end of the Hinrunde, not so after the winter break though.
PROVIDED Bayern had qualified for the CL
Kahn summoned up nicely the feeling at Bayern when he said ANOTHER SEASON in the UEFA CUP would have been UNBEARABLE
and remember, Bayern NOW, under Klinsi were ONE point away from a UEFA Cup place, despite the fact that NONE of the other teams seem to want to win the league and have FAR WEAKER SQUADS and TEAMS
Well, I beg to differ. Bayern do have the most expensive squad but it is hardly the most balanced one and therefore shouldn't be labelled superior to Wolfsburg's or Stuttgart's side.
Above that, Bayern not only have one of the smallest squads in the league but the squad's average age is also one of the highest in the league which all is no sign of superior quality.
@hässchen
of course, Hoeness and DUmmenigge are THE LOSERS of this sorry episode
they are SO CLUELESS it's insane
and I promise you, VERY FEW if ANY of the journalists will talk of "GABALLTE FUSSBALLKOMPETENZ" when they talk of the Bayern boardroom in the future
that chapter is closed
give credit though where credit is due
it was the SPRINGER press that asked Dummenigge the TOUGH questions
Bild asked him why he did not resign NOW , considering he was responsible for hiring Klinsi in the first place ; and Sportbild has been scathing regarding Hoeness' competence in this story
Oh really? A dash of criticism of the board?
Hmm, after they accomplished their mission re Klinsi, maybe Bild starts with a media campaign against Hoeneß and Rummenigge now and initiates a complete overhaul of Bayern Munich?
First
Klinsi RAUS
Then
Hoeneß RAUS
Rummenigge RAUS
And finally
Matthäus and Kahn REIN.
Metze is right when she says Klinsi was never given total control
but he was still given A LOT OF CONTROL
he just did not seem to know what to do with it
VERY SHORTLY after Klinsi was sacked the football correspondent of N24 received A NUMBER of SMSs from BAYERN PLAYERS, ALL expressing huge relief that the Klinsi episode was OVER
one of the messages was almost biblical in tone, saying
"es ist vollbracht"
Which only proves Six right who said there are too many egos at Bayern.
Excuse me, but if the player have a problem with the coach they should talk to him or go to the captain. If that all doesn't help, go to the board.
If an entire squad speak against the coach then even Hoeneß has no other choice but to sack him. But playing against the coach (that's what the SMS indicates at least) is just unprofessional and classless.
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@häschen
I will never understand, why you, as a girl , are so COLD when it comes to showing some sympathy for the players , who were often treated like SHITE by Klinsi
when I, as a chap, have a heart of gold, and feel sorry for how Poldi, Boro, van Buyten and Co were treated
I am beginning to worry about our cyber children, who will always get "Fernsehverbot" or "Taschengeldabzug" from you
we TWO need to talk
anyway, I just "wrote" this little poem for you
Herbsttag
Herr: es ist Zeit. Der Sommer war sehr groß.
Leg deinen Schatten auf die Sonnenuhren,
und auf den Fluren laß die Winde los.
Befiehl den letzten Früchten voll zu sein;
gieb ihnen noch zwei südlichere Tage,
dränge sie zur Vollendung hin und jage
die letzte Süße in den schweren Wein.
Wer jetzt kein Haus hat, baut sich keines mehr.
Wer jetzt allein ist, wird es lange bleiben,
wird wachen, lesen, lange Briefe schreiben
und wird in den Alleen hin und her
unruhig wandern, wenn die Blätter treiben.
wahre G
think about it
I will never understand, why you, as a girl , are so COLD when it comes to showing some sympathy for the players , who were often treated like SHITE by Klinsi
when I, as a chap, have a heart of gold, and feel sorry for how Poldi, Boro, van Buyten and Co were treated
I am beginning to worry about our cyber children, who will always get "Fernsehverbot" or "Taschengeldabzug" from you
we TWO need to talk
anyway, I just "wrote" this little poem for you
Herbsttag
Herr: es ist Zeit. Der Sommer war sehr groß.
Leg deinen Schatten auf die Sonnenuhren,
und auf den Fluren laß die Winde los.
Befiehl den letzten Früchten voll zu sein;
gieb ihnen noch zwei südlichere Tage,
dränge sie zur Vollendung hin und jage
die letzte Süße in den schweren Wein.
Wer jetzt kein Haus hat, baut sich keines mehr.
Wer jetzt allein ist, wird es lange bleiben,
wird wachen, lesen, lange Briefe schreiben
und wird in den Alleen hin und her
unruhig wandern, wenn die Blätter treiben.
wahre G
think about it
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wow
the DOC is BACK
I always thought he had retired because he was too busy with his other work
that was always the Klinsi version of events
now Müller-Wohlfahrt is back, which suggests he is NOT that busy after all, and means Klinsi RAZED him as well
http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/bayern/2009/04/29/jupp-heynckes/der-erste-tag.html
Heynckess also insists on doing EVERYTHING in German
nah also, geht doch
haha
good picture of LATTEK, the Bayern LEGEND who Klinsi MADE CRY like a girl after the Barca debacle, is HAPPY again
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the SZ readers seem to agree to Dummenigge and Hoeness are clowns that should get the SACK as well
http://www.faz.net/s/RubBC20E7BC6C204B29BADA5A79368B1E93/Doc~E210ACE4472C54BAAA119F6737AAE7851~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html
their boss is Beckenbauer
so NOTHING will happen
I suppose Kahn should succeed Hoeness, who in turn should start playing Golf
Dummenigge can become president of the Supervisory Board and Allofs becomes PRESIDENT of the club
and yeah, why not Loddar as COACH with Scholl as assistent
gar nicht so schwer
the DOC is BACK
I always thought he had retired because he was too busy with his other work
that was always the Klinsi version of events
now Müller-Wohlfahrt is back, which suggests he is NOT that busy after all, and means Klinsi RAZED him as well
http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/bayern/2009/04/29/jupp-heynckes/der-erste-tag.html
Heynckess also insists on doing EVERYTHING in German
nah also, geht doch
haha
good picture of LATTEK, the Bayern LEGEND who Klinsi MADE CRY like a girl after the Barca debacle, is HAPPY again
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the SZ readers seem to agree to Dummenigge and Hoeness are clowns that should get the SACK as well
http://www.faz.net/s/RubBC20E7BC6C204B29BADA5A79368B1E93/Doc~E210ACE4472C54BAAA119F6737AAE7851~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html
their boss is Beckenbauer
so NOTHING will happen
I suppose Kahn should succeed Hoeness, who in turn should start playing Golf
Dummenigge can become president of the Supervisory Board and Allofs becomes PRESIDENT of the club
and yeah, why not Loddar as COACH with Scholl as assistent
gar nicht so schwer
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http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/bayern/2009/04/29/jupp-heynckes-setzt-auf/lukas-poldi-podolski-das-ist-seine-bayern-elf.html
if training is anything to go by, Bayern will play the old Hitzfeld system again
442
with a diamond
ie
Poldi is BACK
today he scored the ONLY goal
the LAST 5 games could become THE POLDI SHOW
Klinsi who razed him would look like a buffon
Hoeness who sold him as well
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Bayern don't seem to be big WENGER fans after all
Dummenigge accuses Wenger of being a "child-trader and -kidnapper"
if training is anything to go by, Bayern will play the old Hitzfeld system again
442
with a diamond
ie
Poldi is BACK
today he scored the ONLY goal
the LAST 5 games could become THE POLDI SHOW
Klinsi who razed him would look like a buffon
Hoeness who sold him as well
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Bayern don't seem to be big WENGER fans after all
Dummenigge accuses Wenger of being a "child-trader and -kidnapper"
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72-76-80-96-08 wrote:@häschen
I will never understand, why you, as a girl , are so COLD when it comes to showing some sympathy for the players , who were often treated like SHITE by Klinsi
when I, as a chap, have a heart of gold, and feel sorry for how Poldi, Boro, van Buyten and Co were treated
I am beginning to worry about our cyber children, who will always get "Fernsehverbot" or "Taschengeldabzug" from you
See, that's the reason why there are no Effenbergs, Sammers and Kahns anymore.
Fathers became all too SOFT. You men let your kids get away with EVERYTHING and give them every toy they want. And we're now seeing the results of it:
a bunch of spoilt, lazy and ungrateful whiners, who lack winning mentality and fighting spirit
Klinsmann is an exception to this.
He didn't treat his players like SHITE, he was actually parenting them!
Poldi, for example, is a little whining baby that dwells in self-pity. It was only right to tell him he's no starter and encourage him to get his ass up and fight for a spot.
The Belgian bench-warmer also had to be put in place again. Since he calls Ribéry his best buddy, he thought he's the next best thing who can made loud claims for a starting spot. That's simply not on. Only Leistung matters.
And then there is Rensing. The grinning smile and Schadenfreude that he portrayed in the post-match interview of the Bayern thrashing in Barcelona is beyond belief and shows an absolute lack of respect and Teamgeist.
And, you are defending such infantile bearing, Otto...
I'm devastated, and so would your hero Sammer.
Klinsmann took drastic measures in all of these cases, and rightly so. We can't allow to nurture more of these spoilt little brats. We need MÄNNER not Teufelsbraten!
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72-76-80-96-08 wrote:@häschen
I will never understand, why you, as a girl , are so COLD when it comes to showing some sympathy for the players , who were often treated like SHITE by Klinsi
when I, as a chap, have a heart of gold, and feel sorry for how Poldi, Boro, van Buyten and Co were treated
I am beginning to worry about our cyber children, who will always get "Fernsehverbot" or "Taschengeldabzug" from you
we TWO need to talk
anyway, I just "wrote" this little poem for you
Herbsttag
Herr: es ist Zeit. Der Sommer war sehr groß.
Leg deinen Schatten auf die Sonnenuhren,
und auf den Fluren laß die Winde los.
Befiehl den letzten Früchten voll zu sein;
gieb ihnen noch zwei südlichere Tage,
dränge sie zur Vollendung hin und jage
die letzte Süße in den schweren Wein.
Wer jetzt kein Haus hat, baut sich keines mehr.
Wer jetzt allein ist, wird es lange bleiben,
wird wachen, lesen, lange Briefe schreiben
und wird in den Alleen hin und her
unruhig wandern, wenn die Blätter treiben.
wahre G
think about it
One of my favourite fecking poems
(well, obviously, the Neue Gedichte, Sonette and Elegien are better...)known it off by heart for fifteen-odd years...
72-76-80-96-08- Number of posts : 2258
Age : 43
Supports : FC Hollywood
Registration date : 2006-08-22
anybody know THIS one ?
Vereinsamt
Die Krähen schrein
Und ziehen schwirren Flugs zur Stadt:
Bald wird es schnein. -
Wohl dem, der jetzt noch Heimat hat!
Nun stehst du starr,
Schaust rückwärts, ach! wie lange schon!
Was bist du Narr
Vor Winters in die Welt geflohen?
Die Welt - ein Tor
Zu tausend Wüsten stumm und kalt!
Wer das verlor,
Was du verlorst, macht nirgends Halt.
Nun stehst du bleich,
Zur Winter-Wanderschaft verflucht,
Dem Rauche gleich,
Der stets nach kälteren Himmeln sucht.
Flieg, Vogel, schnarr
Dein Lied im Wüstenvogel-Ton! -
Versteck, du Narr,
Dein blutend Herz in Eis und Hohn!
Die Krähen schrein
und ziehen schwirren Flugs zur Stadt:
Bald wird es schnein, -
Weh dem, der keine Heimat hat!
think about it
Vereinsamt
Die Krähen schrein
Und ziehen schwirren Flugs zur Stadt:
Bald wird es schnein. -
Wohl dem, der jetzt noch Heimat hat!
Nun stehst du starr,
Schaust rückwärts, ach! wie lange schon!
Was bist du Narr
Vor Winters in die Welt geflohen?
Die Welt - ein Tor
Zu tausend Wüsten stumm und kalt!
Wer das verlor,
Was du verlorst, macht nirgends Halt.
Nun stehst du bleich,
Zur Winter-Wanderschaft verflucht,
Dem Rauche gleich,
Der stets nach kälteren Himmeln sucht.
Flieg, Vogel, schnarr
Dein Lied im Wüstenvogel-Ton! -
Versteck, du Narr,
Dein blutend Herz in Eis und Hohn!
Die Krähen schrein
und ziehen schwirren Flugs zur Stadt:
Bald wird es schnein, -
Weh dem, der keine Heimat hat!
think about it
Allez les rouges- Number of posts : 8098
Age : 108
Supports : Deutschland, Arsenal
Favourite Player : Jens Lehmann
Registration date : 2006-08-07
Du schlank und rein wie eine flamme
Du wie der morgen zart und licht
Du blühend reis vom edlen stamme
Du wie ein quell geheim und schlicht
Begleitest mich auf sonnigen matten
Umschauerst mich im abendrauch
Erleuchtest meinen weg im schatten
Du kühler wind du heisser hauch
Du bist mein wunsch und mein gedanke
Ich atme dich mit jeder luft
Ich schlürfe dich mit jedem tranke
ich küsse dich mit jedem duft
Du blühend reis vom edlen stamme
Du wie ein quell geheim und schlicht
Du schlank und rein wie eine flamme
Du wie der morgen zart und licht
Du wie der morgen zart und licht
Du blühend reis vom edlen stamme
Du wie ein quell geheim und schlicht
Begleitest mich auf sonnigen matten
Umschauerst mich im abendrauch
Erleuchtest meinen weg im schatten
Du kühler wind du heisser hauch
Du bist mein wunsch und mein gedanke
Ich atme dich mit jeder luft
Ich schlürfe dich mit jedem tranke
ich küsse dich mit jedem duft
Du blühend reis vom edlen stamme
Du wie ein quell geheim und schlicht
Du schlank und rein wie eine flamme
Du wie der morgen zart und licht
Axeslammer- Number of posts : 19690
Age : 52
Supports : Leeds Utd / FC Groningen
Favourite Player : Le Tiss, Bergkamp, Tadic, Eric le Roy
Registration date : 2006-08-07
Ich bin Schnappi, das kleine Krokodil.
Komm aus Ägypten, das liegt direkt am Nil.
Zuerst lag ich in einem Ei,
dann schni-,schna-,schnappte ich mich frei
Ich bin Schnappi, das kleine Krokodil,
hab scharfe Zähne, und davon ganz schön viel.
Ich schnapp mir was ich schnappen kann,
ja ich schnapp zu, weil ich das so gut kann.
Ich bin Schnappi, das kleine Krokodil,
ich schnappe gern, das ist mein Lieblingsspiel.
Ich schleich mich an die Mama ran,
und zeig ihr wie ich schnappen kann
Ich bin Schnappi, das kleine Krokodil,
und vom Schnappen, da krieg ich nicht zu viel.
Ich beiß dem Papi kurz ins Bein,
und dann, dann schlaf ich einfach ein.
You simply can't beat German poetry
Komm aus Ägypten, das liegt direkt am Nil.
Zuerst lag ich in einem Ei,
dann schni-,schna-,schnappte ich mich frei
Ich bin Schnappi, das kleine Krokodil,
hab scharfe Zähne, und davon ganz schön viel.
Ich schnapp mir was ich schnappen kann,
ja ich schnapp zu, weil ich das so gut kann.
Ich bin Schnappi, das kleine Krokodil,
ich schnappe gern, das ist mein Lieblingsspiel.
Ich schleich mich an die Mama ran,
und zeig ihr wie ich schnappen kann
Ich bin Schnappi, das kleine Krokodil,
und vom Schnappen, da krieg ich nicht zu viel.
Ich beiß dem Papi kurz ins Bein,
und dann, dann schlaf ich einfach ein.
You simply can't beat German poetry
Allez les rouges- Number of posts : 8098
Age : 108
Supports : Deutschland, Arsenal
Favourite Player : Jens Lehmann
Registration date : 2006-08-07
This isn't German – but I love it...
Verbrauch von geist in schändlicher verzehr
Ist lust in tat · und bis zur tat · ist lust
Meineidig · mörderisch · blutig · voll unehr ·
Wild · tierisch · grausam · roh · des lugs bewusst.
Genossen wo gleich drauf verachtung trifft ·
Sinnlos erjagt und gleich nach dem empfang
Sinnlos gehasst wie ein verschlucktes gift ·
Eigens gelegt dass toll wird wer es schlang.
Toll im verfolg und im besitz zumal ·
Erlangt und im und beim erlangen wild ·
Glück beim versuch und wenn versucht nur qual ·
Erst: freudig hoffen · nachher: schattenbild.
Dies weiss jedweder ... doch nicht wie man flieht
Den himmel der zu dieser hölle zieht.
Verbrauch von geist in schändlicher verzehr
Ist lust in tat · und bis zur tat · ist lust
Meineidig · mörderisch · blutig · voll unehr ·
Wild · tierisch · grausam · roh · des lugs bewusst.
Genossen wo gleich drauf verachtung trifft ·
Sinnlos erjagt und gleich nach dem empfang
Sinnlos gehasst wie ein verschlucktes gift ·
Eigens gelegt dass toll wird wer es schlang.
Toll im verfolg und im besitz zumal ·
Erlangt und im und beim erlangen wild ·
Glück beim versuch und wenn versucht nur qual ·
Erst: freudig hoffen · nachher: schattenbild.
Dies weiss jedweder ... doch nicht wie man flieht
Den himmel der zu dieser hölle zieht.
72-76-80-96-08- Number of posts : 2258
Age : 43
Supports : FC Hollywood
Registration date : 2006-08-22
good stuff
Napoleon and Mussollini are caught off-guard
and the Nederlander has to get used to the new tone as well
the Belgian's HINTERN is hurting and Napoleon is not happy
welcome to the Heynckes Militärakademie
I can already see Ribery sending an SMS to L'Equipe
"Au Secours. Alerte. Klinsi, reviens s'il te plait"
Napoleon and Mussollini are caught off-guard
and the Nederlander has to get used to the new tone as well
the Belgian's HINTERN is hurting and Napoleon is not happy
welcome to the Heynckes Militärakademie
I can already see Ribery sending an SMS to L'Equipe
"Au Secours. Alerte. Klinsi, reviens s'il te plait"
72-76-80-96-08- Number of posts : 2258
Age : 43
Supports : FC Hollywood
Registration date : 2006-08-22
Metze's Haeschen wrote:72-76-80-96-08 wrote:@häschen
I will never understand, why you, as a girl , are so COLD when it comes to showing some sympathy for the players , who were often treated like SHITE by Klinsi
when I, as a chap, have a heart of gold, and feel sorry for how Poldi, Boro, van Buyten and Co were treated
I am beginning to worry about our cyber children, who will always get "Fernsehverbot" or "Taschengeldabzug" from you
See, that's the reason why there are no Effenbergs, Sammers and Kahns anymore.
Fathers became all too SOFT. You men let your kids get away with EVERYTHING and give them every toy they want. And we're now seeing the results of it:
a bunch of spoilt, lazy and ungrateful whiners, who lack winning mentality and fighting spirit
Klinsmann is an exception to this.
He didn't treat his players like SHITE, he was actually parenting them!
Poldi, for example, is a little whining baby that dwells in self-pity. It was only right to tell him he's no starter and encourage him to get his ass up and fight for a spot.
The Belgian bench-warmer also had to be put in place again. Since he calls Ribéry his best buddy, he thought he's the next best thing who can made loud claims for a starting spot. That's simply not on. Only Leistung matters.
And then there is Rensing. The grinning smile and Schadenfreude that he portrayed in the post-match interview of the Bayern thrashing in Barcelona is beyond belief and shows an absolute lack of respect and Teamgeist.
And, you are defending such infantile bearing, Otto...
I'm devastated, and so would your hero Sammer.
Klinsmann took drastic measures in all of these cases, and rightly so. We can't allow to nurture more of these spoilt little brats. We need MÄNNER not Teufelsbraten!
good stuff, metze
I am not sure though whether we can still call you Häschen after this post
I suppose, WACHHUND would be more apt
sounds like you have just read a book about "Kleine Tyrannen"
am I right, or am I right ?
anyway, I wonder what Allez made of your little "rant"
he's got quite a crush on you, you know ?!
and now I fear, you scared him a little bit
hell, you even scared ME
@häschen
Poldi is NOT a whinger AT ALL
he may slap like a girl, but he does not whine like one
he was always incredibly up-beat and fighting for his place to the last day
I saw it myself when I attended public training
but when you don't get a fair crack, you start to look for alternatives
+
you HAVE to represent your interests via the MEDIA these days
your boyfriend Klinsi was doing that all along
he left Säbener Strasse in his car, after his sacking, with his press representative on the passenger seat
the two ran a veritable PR campaign in recent weeks; Klinsi gave one interview after another, reinforcing his image as a "Phrasendrescher"
the journalists themselves were VERY critical of this PR offensive
Oliver Bierhoff has just hired his own PR manager as well
so why should Poldi not defend himself via the media ???
Stiftung Haeschentest- Number of posts : 2314
Age : 40
Supports : Deutschland
Registration date : 2006-08-30
Poldi failed under THREE coaches at Bayern, Otto.
THREE coaches, who were all putting him on the bench for him to realise that he's no longer in Köln, where he was captain, fan favourite and superstar of the team.
Performing in training is not enough. Poldi also has to prove himself on the pitch and he failed miserably here.
He comes in, shows 5 minutes of action and was nowhere to be seen.
The boy simply doesn't have the BISS to improve and succeed at the highest level. Schweinsteiger, Rensing and Lell alike.
Honestly, I fail to see why you of all people are defending such behavior, Otto.
You are constantly complaining about the lack of Führungsspieler in Germany. The displayed whiny attitude is exactly the reason therefore.
Re "you have to represent your interests via the MEDIA"
True, but the extent to which it happens in Germany is excessive.
Take the story of the player(s) who sent SMS to the Sportbild journo for example. Isn't it strange that players feel closer and more grateful to the journalists of SportBLÖD and BLÖD than to the club that his paying their wages?
Your coach just got axed, and the first thing you do is sending SMS to inform or thank the journo?!?
What is this?
Eine Hand wäscht die andere?
Informationskorruption?
I deliver you information and you help me to get rid of Klinsmann?
Also, why is it that especially in Germany players so often run riot and complain to the press when things don't go their way?
Do you see the same happening in England?
Someone like Ballack for example would never quietly accept to sit on the bench if he were still playing in Germany. In England he surprisingly did when he wasn't first choice under Mourinho.
Tell me why that is, Otto!
THREE coaches, who were all putting him on the bench for him to realise that he's no longer in Köln, where he was captain, fan favourite and superstar of the team.
Performing in training is not enough. Poldi also has to prove himself on the pitch and he failed miserably here.
He comes in, shows 5 minutes of action and was nowhere to be seen.
The boy simply doesn't have the BISS to improve and succeed at the highest level. Schweinsteiger, Rensing and Lell alike.
Honestly, I fail to see why you of all people are defending such behavior, Otto.
You are constantly complaining about the lack of Führungsspieler in Germany. The displayed whiny attitude is exactly the reason therefore.
Re "you have to represent your interests via the MEDIA"
True, but the extent to which it happens in Germany is excessive.
Take the story of the player(s) who sent SMS to the Sportbild journo for example. Isn't it strange that players feel closer and more grateful to the journalists of SportBLÖD and BLÖD than to the club that his paying their wages?
Your coach just got axed, and the first thing you do is sending SMS to inform or thank the journo?!?
What is this?
Eine Hand wäscht die andere?
Informationskorruption?
I deliver you information and you help me to get rid of Klinsmann?
Also, why is it that especially in Germany players so often run riot and complain to the press when things don't go their way?
Do you see the same happening in England?
Someone like Ballack for example would never quietly accept to sit on the bench if he were still playing in Germany. In England he surprisingly did when he wasn't first choice under Mourinho.
Tell me why that is, Otto!
Stiftung Haeschentest- Number of posts : 2314
Age : 40
Supports : Deutschland
Registration date : 2006-08-30
Kicker reports that Bayern already figured out a plan for the future:
http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/0904/Artikel/fc-bayern-louis-van-gaal-trainer-christian-nerlinger-manager-diego-soll-kommen.html
Nerlinger to take over from Hoeneß.
Van Gaal to become coach.
+ stealing Diego from Bremen (which would only make sense if they sell Ribéry, no?).
http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/0904/Artikel/fc-bayern-louis-van-gaal-trainer-christian-nerlinger-manager-diego-soll-kommen.html
Nerlinger to take over from Hoeneß.
Van Gaal to become coach.
+ stealing Diego from Bremen (which would only make sense if they sell Ribéry, no?).
Antarion- Number of posts : 3382
Age : 40
Supports : Germany, Bayern
Favourite Player : Müller, Neuer and Schürrle
Registration date : 2008-04-11
So Feminism is to blame that Germany won't win anything now 
Its removing the "Typen" from the Mannschaft.
Diego at Bayern would be pure class imo.
They can even sell Ribery then.
Van Gaal is ok i think. Haven't followed him much though, so i can't say anything about his work at AZ.
Its removing the "Typen" from the Mannschaft.Diego at Bayern would be pure class imo.
They can even sell Ribery then.
Van Gaal is ok i think. Haven't followed him much though, so i can't say anything about his work at AZ.
72-76-80-96-08- Number of posts : 2258
Age : 43
Supports : FC Hollywood
Registration date : 2006-08-22
@häschen
I am beginning to wonder whether WE TWO don't really agree A LOT MORE THAN you pretend
you sound a lot more like SAMMER than I do
and in your presence I am beginning to feel like a "anti-autoritärer Waschlappen"
the players , incidentally, did NOT send their SMS to Sportblöd
they sent it to the VERY SERIOUS N24 football journalist, Uli something
Klinsi did not just raze young German weaklings, he razed Dutch hardman van Bommel as well as Belgium captain van Buyten, but also Borowski, who is as tough as nails and NO WHINGER
in the past , Klinsi KILLED Kahn, Wörns, Kuranyi, Sepp Maier, Müller-Wohlfahrt (as we now know), Dreher, Alintop and endless others
I can detect a PATTERN
you are on to something when you bemoan the lack of RESPECT in German football
this is Sammer/Ballack territory again, of course
but it's not true to say that it's a disease only German footballers suffer from
take Toni and Ribery
both behave like impossible divas
when they are subbed they refuse to acknowledge their team-mates, throw a hissyfit and complain via the media
yet Toni has NO problem sitting on the bench for Italy under Lippi
at Bayern, when he is not an automatic starter, he gets crazy
same with Ribery who WOULD be a pussycat at Barca but thinks he is God at Bayern
part of the problem is a LACK of SELF-CONFIDENCE that Germans have: people in general, the media, the club officials...
NOBODY wants to assert himself
the truth is, our young stars like Schweini, Poldi, Lahmi and Co SHOULD move abroad and prove themselves there
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as for Poldi though, you REALLY are VERY WRONG
apart from his girly slap , the Pole "ist ein ganz feiner Kerl"
playing for a poor Cologne is better than sitting on the bench at Bayern, but he should have gone abroad
BIG MISTAKE
I still have HIGH HOPES for Gomez, Jansen, Hummels and Wiese though
all is not lost
think about it
I am beginning to wonder whether WE TWO don't really agree A LOT MORE THAN you pretend
you sound a lot more like SAMMER than I do
and in your presence I am beginning to feel like a "anti-autoritärer Waschlappen"
the players , incidentally, did NOT send their SMS to Sportblöd
they sent it to the VERY SERIOUS N24 football journalist, Uli something
Klinsi did not just raze young German weaklings, he razed Dutch hardman van Bommel as well as Belgium captain van Buyten, but also Borowski, who is as tough as nails and NO WHINGER
in the past , Klinsi KILLED Kahn, Wörns, Kuranyi, Sepp Maier, Müller-Wohlfahrt (as we now know), Dreher, Alintop and endless others
I can detect a PATTERN
you are on to something when you bemoan the lack of RESPECT in German football
this is Sammer/Ballack territory again, of course
but it's not true to say that it's a disease only German footballers suffer from
take Toni and Ribery
both behave like impossible divas
when they are subbed they refuse to acknowledge their team-mates, throw a hissyfit and complain via the media
yet Toni has NO problem sitting on the bench for Italy under Lippi
at Bayern, when he is not an automatic starter, he gets crazy
same with Ribery who WOULD be a pussycat at Barca but thinks he is God at Bayern
part of the problem is a LACK of SELF-CONFIDENCE that Germans have: people in general, the media, the club officials...
NOBODY wants to assert himself
the truth is, our young stars like Schweini, Poldi, Lahmi and Co SHOULD move abroad and prove themselves there
----------
as for Poldi though, you REALLY are VERY WRONG
apart from his girly slap , the Pole "ist ein ganz feiner Kerl"
playing for a poor Cologne is better than sitting on the bench at Bayern, but he should have gone abroad
BIG MISTAKE
I still have HIGH HOPES for Gomez, Jansen, Hummels and Wiese though
all is not lost
think about it
Axeslammer- Number of posts : 19690
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Favourite Player : Le Tiss, Bergkamp, Tadic, Eric le Roy
Registration date : 2006-08-07
Antarion wrote:
Van Gaal is ok i think. Haven't followed him much though, so i can't say anything about his work at AZ.
Van Gaal would most likely be a disaster at Bayern : his biggest successes have been with very young teams => he needs his players to follow orders without thinking and he won't allow big ego's (besides his own).
Stiftung Haeschentest- Number of posts : 2314
Age : 40
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Registration date : 2006-08-30
Antarion wrote:So Feminism is to blame that Germany won't win anything now
You sound like Otto?
It's not us lovely women who are to blame. You just have to withstand our attempts to turn you in little Schoßhündchen who 'obey' to us.
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Don't know about Diego. Does Bayern have the personnel to play the system that gets the best out of him?
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Ribery, the French c**t , now threatens to leave Bayern, IF they do not qualify for the CL
the boy has a contract until 2011, but seems to think it does not apply
Bild reports that the Bayern players are getting rather fed up with him because he is CONSTANTLY talking about Barca or Real
ah, well, once van Gaal is in charge they will sell him and get the Dutchies anyway
the boy has a contract until 2011, but seems to think it does not apply
Bild reports that the Bayern players are getting rather fed up with him because he is CONSTANTLY talking about Barca or Real
ah, well, once van Gaal is in charge they will sell him and get the Dutchies anyway
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