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    Post by TheCrazy58 Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:16 am

    Parks lives wrote:
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    Ray Parlour wrote:With a degree of luck. E.g Chelsea and Liverpool away.

    On another day we would have been hammered.

    With this defence I don't trust us against anyone.

    It's not just us who have luck. Chelsea last night not getting a pen against them; United getting a pen last weekend when it was blatantly wrong. etc...

    ...Arsenal getting an offside goal in their favour and a penalty not given against them.

    Your lot get more than anyone so don't start.
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:35 pm

    Manuel's stellar performance last night has helped his England prospects according to the Telegraph.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/5249085/Manuel-Almunia-Arsenals-Spanish-keeper-who-would-be-Englands-No-1.html

    Manuel Almunia: Arsenal's Spanish 'keeper who would be England’s No 1

    The answer to England’s goalkeeping problems may be Spaniard Manuel Almunia, soon to qualify for a British passport, whose stellar performance at Old Trafford against Manchester United in their Champions League semi-final first leg kept Arsenal in the tie.

    By Steve Wilson
    Last Updated: 11:17AM BST 30 Apr 2009

    Under Fifa residency rules Almunia, who features below Iker Casillas and Liverpool’s Pepe Reina in the Spanish reckoning, will qualify for the England national team before the 2010 World Cup rolls round.

    How does he qualify?
    Almunia joined Arsenal as an unknown quantity from Celta Vigo in 2004, and under residency laws would soon be eligible to apply to become a naturalised British citizen. After living and working for five years in this country the process could be started with the official paperwork likely to be rubber stamped at the beginning of 2010.

    Does he want to play for England?

    Almunia has always insisted he would be willing to consider playing for England, were the option available, after being over looked back home in Spain, who have the world’s best goalkeeper in Casillas.

    “People are asking this question now because I have been in England for five years and am able to apply for a passport,” Almunia said recently. “I am taking in the information, what I need to do for a passport. I think, for January next year, maybe I can have the permission. Maybe I will get a passport, then after, if I get the call-up (from England), I will think about this.”

    Would Fabio Capello pick him?

    Goalkeeping is a problematic area for Capello, who has selected David James to start every competitive match since he took charge of the national team, despite some reservations about the Portsmouth goalkeeper’s reliability. He rates both Ben Foster and Joe Hart but is also a stickler for only selecting players who are fit and playing regularly for their clubs – as both David Beckham and Michael Owen have discovered in the past.

    So a player with extensive Champions League experience who is in the form of his life would undoubtedly tempt the Italian. If he is prepared to pick a 20-year-old Peterborough United goalkeeper, Joe Lewis, for a double header of friendlies against USA and Trinidad & Tobago, we can be pretty sure all options are on the table.

    Is he better than what’s currently on offer?

    James, who had been enjoying something of an Indian summer with Portsmouth, has not had as good a season this year as last and though he remains supremely fit his advancing years mean he won’t be around forever. Joe Hart’s development has been hampered by Manchester City signing Shay Given and Ben Foster is a Carling Cup specialist at Manchester United.

    Robert Green is the only English goalkeeper with any chance of playing in Europe as first choice next season, with West Ham, but both Paul Robinson and Chris Kirkland’s stars have waned. Until Foster or Hart mature or Green builds on a solid couple of seasons at Upton Park, Almunia would be first choice on talent and experience.

    What would the fans think?

    The watershed moment of Sven Goran Eriksson being appointed England manager, the first foreigner to do so, was met initially with some opposition but after the failure of Steve McClaren, Fabio Capello was welcomed warmly – especially as he has got the team winning. But accepting players under a flag of convenience is still seen as the preserve of smaller nations and though it might improve the team it would be a blow to credibility.

    Fans groups may see the move as another nail in English football’s coffin – but if the 2010 World Cup could be won, all would be forgiven.

    Stranger things have (almost) happened

    Back in 2004 as Eriksson picked through the ruins of the failed Euro 2004 campaign, he instructed David Davies to inquire about the possibility of four leading players switching their nationality to play for the England national team.

    Davies wrote in his subsequent autobiography that “very serious consideration” was given to Eriksson’s idea, despite the obvious public outcry it would have provoked.

    The four players in question were Carlo Cudicini – another goalkeeper, then of Chelsea – Louis Saha, Steed Malbranque and Edu.

    Davies wrote: “’I like Carlo Cudicini’, Sven told me. However, our goalkeeping coach Ray Clemence was particularly concerned, insisting to Sven it would destroy our keepers. ‘Can you also find out about Malbranque, Edu and Saha?’ Sven asked me. I wasn’t sure what the public reaction would be to an Italian, a Brazilian and two Frenchmen coming into the squad but I did Sven’s bidding.

    “However, all my discreet enquiries to clubs and agents led to nothing. Miraculously, the moment our interest became known Saha and Edu were called up by their own nations, making them ineligible.”

    I'm not sure how serious Manuel is when he talks about possbility of playing for England - more inclined to think it's intended for domestic (ie Spanish) consumption or even a little tongue in cheek. I sincerely hope nothing comes of it - we don't need him distracted by the England team and the enormous pressure he'd inevitably come under should anything come of it.

    Interesting tidbit about Eriksson eyeing those players to play for England post 2004 - though I think Edu had played for Brazil before that date.
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    Post by Aristoskank Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:38 pm

    We've heard this story time and again, he's no better than Green or Foster, and Man U's poor finishing doesn't change that. I'm not at all opposed to stealing footballers but can't we steal someone like Totti or the world's best player, Essien?
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:41 pm

    Nope.

    One realistic possibility is Arteta who has never played for Spain.
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    Post by Aristoskank Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:43 pm

    Arteta would be very useful to England.
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:59 pm

    He's been in England continually since 2005 (played for Rangers for 2 years before that but went back to Spain for a year), so he'll qualify for a passport next year. Not that Lumpard or Gerrard would ever allow it to happen of course.
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    Post by Sgoater1 Fri May 01, 2009 1:02 am

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    Saw this and it made me laugh so just thought id share it with you gooners.
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    Post by Rosicky Fri May 01, 2009 9:58 am

    @ Goats.

    Thats olds.


    So Silvestre and Eduardo are out of the Pompey match injured. Lets hope Silvestre doesnt recover in time. Eduardo is getting to be a bit of a joke now as well, can barely play and not come back injured.

    http://football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5261761,00.html
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    Post by Aristoskank Fri May 01, 2009 12:11 pm

    Is it time to add Eduardo to the list of Wenger's big money flops?
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    Post by Rosicky Fri May 01, 2009 12:38 pm

    Stimulus Package wrote:Is it time to add Eduardo to the list of Wenger's big money flops?

    Well he hasnt been a success, but id give him one more year to prove himself, he is clearly talented, but he is no use to us being injured all the time.
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    Post by Rosicky Sat May 02, 2009 11:22 am

    Kroenke raises stake in Arsenal


    Arsenal director Stan Kroenke has become the largest shareholder at the club, increasing his stake to 28.3%.

    The American tycoon, who joined the board last year, now has a bigger holding than Uzbekistani metals magnate Alisher Usmanov.

    It takes Mr Kroenke closer to the 30% threshold that would force him to make an offer for the remaining shares.

    The shares were bought from members of the Carr family, including Arsenal director Richard Carr.

    Mr Kroneke's company, KSE, paid between £8,500 and £10,500 for each of the 4,839 shares - putting the value of the purchase at more than £41m.

    Arsenal directors had a "lockdown" agreement in place, which meant they could not sell their shares to anyone before April 2009, other than a limited number of people, such as family members.

    'Stability'

    Mr Kroenke's additional investment was supported by the Arsenal Supporters' Trust, who said they had "established a good dialogue" with the American.

    "Our position is that stability and plurality in ownership is to the benefit of Arsenal," a Trust spokesman said.

    "New chief executive Ivan Gazidis has made a good impression and says he values our role and the importance of custodianship.

    "We hope he will build relationships with all shareholders so that the club has stability off the pitch which is a vital ingredient for success on it."

    Mr Usmanov, a billionaire, owns more than 25% of the club through investment vehicle Red and White Holdings.

    Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith left the Arsenal board in December and could be willing to listen to offers for her 15.9% holding.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8030153.stm
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Sun May 03, 2009 9:03 am

    Saw the extended highlights of the Pomey match on Sky. Scoreline slightly flattered us with Pompey's inability to take the chances they created but a good, sprightly performance from our shadow side. With the CL spot now secure we may be seeing more or them.

    Was surprised to see Arshavin given the armband but as AW said, a fit recognition of the vital role he has played in the short time he has been with us. I think he was indicating it wasn't a pen and credit to him for being honest (especially when we were only 0 - 1 up) but I think there was another pen-worthy foul earlier when Distin took Theo (?) out.

    Bentdner had an excellent match. Despite what he says he plays better away from the pressure of the home crowd and in the absence of his peers. He might have made a case for himself for starting on Tuesday.
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    Post by Axeslammer Sun May 03, 2009 10:59 am

    TheCrazy58 wrote:Saw the extended highlights of the Pomey match on Sky. Scoreline slightly flattered us with Pompey's inability to take the chances they created but a good, sprightly performance from our shadow side. With the CL spot now secure we may be seeing more or them.

    Was surprised to see Arshavin given the armband but as AW said, a fit recognition of the vital role he has played in the short time he has been with us. I think he was indicating it wasn't a pen and credit to him for being honest (especially when we were only 0 - 1 up) but I think there was another pen-worthy foul earlier when Distin took Theo (?) out.

    Bentdner had an excellent match. Despite what he says he plays better away from the pressure of the home crowd and in the absence of his peers. He might have made a case for himself for starting on Tuesday.

    Vela was the one who impressed me : I liked *very* much what I saw of him ok
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    Post by Romford Pele Sun May 03, 2009 12:42 pm

    If he is showing the enthusiasm he has done of recent then for sure.

    Ade just doesn't look on it to be honest.
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    Post by Romford Pele Sun May 03, 2009 2:12 pm

    21 games unbeaten
    cheers
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    Post by Tom Sun May 03, 2009 2:25 pm

    Respect to Asharvin for the penalty wagging finger yesterday, the sky sports commentators thought he was waving his arm originally claiming for a penalty, but he's pointing towards the corner flag trying to claim the corner rather than the penalty.

    Bendtner will never be Arsenal standard, he's a midtable player at most. His first touch is so poor he almost ruins any opportunity that he gets. Sagna's been a bit shit recently.
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Sun May 03, 2009 2:29 pm

    Ballack wrote:Respect to Asharvin for the penalty wagging finger yesterday, the sky sports commentators thought he was waving his arm originally claiming for a penalty, but he's pointing towards the corner flag trying to claim the corner rather than the penalty.

    Bendtner will never be Arsenal standard, he's a midtable player at most. His first touch is so poor he almost ruins any opportunity that he gets. Sagna's been a bit shit recently.

    Yeah big ok for him doing so, much like the Fowler penalty at Highbury over 10 years ago now.
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    Post by Romford Pele Sun May 03, 2009 2:38 pm

    A bit of SSS with Sagna. Still better than most though.
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    Post by Aristoskank Sun May 03, 2009 2:54 pm

    Ray Parlour wrote:A bit of SSS with Sagna. Still better than most though.

    And he's had a bit of a stop-start season due to injury. Does make all that 'best RB in the league' stuff look a bit hasty...
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    Post by Romford Pele Sun May 03, 2009 2:59 pm

    Not this season for sure. Even then I can't think of many RB's that have stood out.
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    Post by Aristoskank Sun May 03, 2009 3:25 pm

    Rafu? Skrtel?

    Apart from Glen Johnson it's been a lean year in that position.
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    Post by debaser Sun May 03, 2009 3:28 pm

    Stimulus Package wrote:Rafu? Skrtel?

    Apart from Glen Johnson it's been a lean year in that position.
    lol!
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    Post by Tom Sun May 03, 2009 3:47 pm

    Bosingwa's hardly done anything to light our right hand side up either. Liverpool play Arbeloa there and he's nothing more than average, Villa even play Reo-Coker there as Shorey is that shit that their natural right back has to play left back.

    Sergio Ramos please.
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    Post by Hem fet un.. Sun May 03, 2009 5:05 pm

    Ballack wrote:Bosingwa's hardly done anything to light our right hand side up either. Liverpool play Arbeloa there and he's nothing more than average, Villa even play Reo-Coker there as Shorey is that shit that their natural right back has to play left back.

    Sergio Ramos please.

    Did you watch his positioning last night? He is vastly overrated as a defender.. Good going forward though

    Will probably improve in the future but right now he is a bit out of his depth sometimes.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Sun May 03, 2009 5:44 pm

    WENGER WANTS TO SEE ENJOYMENT

    Arsene Wenger has called on his Arsenal players to enjoy the crunch Champions League semi-final second leg against Manchester United and produce the performance needed to keep their European dream alive.

    The Gunners should be fresh for the all-or-nothing showdown with the European Cup holders, who will take a slender 1-0 advantage to Emirates Stadium on Tuesday night, after Wenger made eight changes for the Barclays Premier League trip to Portsmouth where his youngsters ran out comfortable 3-0 winners.

    Arsenal failed to stretch United at Old Trafford, with goalkeeper Manuel Almunia turning in an inspired display to give his team-mates a fighting chance of still reaching Rome.

    While accepting his side have to rise to the challenge against Sir Alex Ferguson's men, the Arsenal manager also knows playing their own natural game will be key.

    "Football is enjoyment first, no matter what is at stake," Wenger said.

    "You can only play well if you enjoy what you do and enjoy the level of the game, to enjoy the game we love."

    Wenger continued: "I believe the semi-final away from home is the most difficult game in the Champions League competition because you are 90 minutes away from the Champions League final.

    "That is what we have to produce on Tuesday night - the game worthy of a semi-final. We have to make it hard for them.

    "We will not win with 11 players. You win it with 14 players.

    "No matter who starts, what is important is that everybody is focused so they can come on and help the team to qualify."

    Striker Nicklas Bendtner will have done his case for a place in the starting XI no harm at all after a strong display at Fratton Park, scoring the opening goal - with a bit of help from England keeper David James - and a well-dispatched penalty.

    Arsenal's leading scorer Robin van Persie faces a race against time to be fit from a niggling groin problem, and so Wenger accepts team selection will rest somewhat on the options at his disposal.

    "We looked more comfortable with 4-4-2 and it looked more threatening, but it also depends on who is available," the Arsenal manager said.

    "However, when you play [Theo] Walcott on the right you play more 4-3-2-1.

    "He is a winger not a midfielder, so you have to balance the side to be a bit more defensive.

    "Also, when [Cesc] Fabregas plays behind the striker, the striker looks to be a little isolated so you have to get the balance of the team right."

    England forward Theo Walcott, Bacary Sagna and Alex Song - who dropped back to the centre of defence - were the only survivors from Old Trafford.

    Wenger maintains 20-year-old Walcott will be one of his key weapons again on Tuesday.

    "I wanted to win the game against Portsmouth, and when you are 19 or 20 years old you can recover in three days," he said.

    "I gave Theo a good breather and took him off with 25 minutes to go. That was just perfect for him and he will not be fazed on Tuesday night."

    Arsenal are now sure of another top four finish following an unbeaten 21-match run in the Barclays Premier League.

    While that is something of an achievement in itself given the Gunners' inconsistent opening to the campaign, Wenger has not yet ruled out overtaking Chelsea to gain automatic qualification into next season's Champions League.

    "We play Chelsea, they won again and of course it will be short now," said Wenger, his side six points behind with three to play.

    "We have to beat them, they have to draw another game - but we will try."
    http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/09/05/03/SOCCER_Arsenal_Nightlead.html&TEAMHD=soccer

    -----------------------------------

    Those who want us to play normal 4-4-2 with a player like Walcott(Arshavin) on the wing should take note.

    Reading from those quotes, I doubt we'll see Cesc off the main striker on Tuesday.
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Sun May 03, 2009 7:14 pm

    Ballack wrote:
    Bendtner will never be Arsenal standard, he's a midtable player at most.

    Name another 21 year old with a PL club who's scored 14 goals this season.
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Sun May 03, 2009 7:14 pm

    Ballack wrote:Bosingwa's hardly done anything to light our right hand side up either. Liverpool play Arbeloa there and he's nothing more than average, Villa even play Reo-Coker there as Shorey is that shit that their natural right back has to play left back.

    Sergio Ramos please.

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    Post by L r dd Sun May 03, 2009 7:25 pm

    TheCrazy58 wrote:
    Ballack wrote:
    Bendtner will never be Arsenal standard, he's a midtable player at most.

    Name another 21 year old with a PL club who's scored 14 goals this season.

    He's played 46 games ffs
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Sun May 03, 2009 7:29 pm

    L-r d wrote:
    TheCrazy58 wrote:
    Ballack wrote:
    Bendtner will never be Arsenal standard, he's a midtable player at most.

    Name another 21 year old with a PL club who's scored 14 goals this season.

    He's played 46 games ffs

    27 starts Very Happy

    Gabriel Agbonlahor. 38 starts, 13 goals.

    Actually he's older too - 22 going on 23.
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    Post by debaser Sun May 03, 2009 7:47 pm

    (forgive me, I'm bored)

    Compare who they've scored against:

    Bendtner: Bolton (2), WBA (2), Portsmouth (2), Newcastle (1), Hull (1) + Cardiff, Plymouth, Sheff Utd (2) in the cups and Kiev, Twente in Europe

    Agbonlahor: Man City (3), Blackburn (2), Bolton (2), WBA (2), Arsenal (1), Man Utd (1), Wigan (1)


    Bendtner hasn't scored against a single top 10 team - partly because he's not picked in the big games when others are fit, but it does bolster his goals/game rate that he's basically only used against weaker opposition.

    If Agbonlahor played the same games as Bendtner in the Arsenal team, I reckon he'd have scored more - and I don't think the same could be said for Bendtner in the Villa team.

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