toon h's top 50

recently saw an article from last December from 4-4-2's top 100 players. I decided to make my own top 50. I would be happy to hear different opinions, though.

1.Ronaldo
2.Messi
3.Kaka
4.Gerrard
5.Essien
6.Ribery
7.Villa
8.Xavi
9.Ferdinand
10.Torres
11.Casillas
12.Lampard
13.Rooney
14.Arshavin
15.Ibrahimovic
16.Iniesta
17.Vidic
18.Buffon
19.Robben
20.Drogba
21.Totti
22.Maicon
23.Eto'o
24.Carvalho
25.Nesta
26.Terry
27.Evra
28.Benzema
29.Aguero
30.Cesc
31.Sergio Ramos
32.Robinho
33.Di Rossi
34.Alves
35.Van Persie
36.Tevez
37.Chivu
38.Forlan
39.Henry
40.Carragher
41.Diego
42.Toure Yaya
43.Pepe
44.Del Piero
45.Ballack
46.Mascherano
47.Carrick
48.Silva
49.Cambiasso
50.Pato

I must say, I have considered mostly this season but also let historical data weigh in a little.

50 is too much, nesta is too high

Your list is a joke. Some of the players were either injured, or woefully out of form. Cesc, Carvalho, Sergio Ramos, Nesta. wtf?

I have considered mostly this season but also let historical data weigh in a little.

I see.

Ribery 6?? No Kuyt??? Poor list!

Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Your list is a joke. Some of the players were either injured, or woefully out of form. Cesc, Carvalho, Sergio Ramos, Nesta. wtf?

I have considered mostly this season but also let historical data weigh in a little.

I see.

why is my list a joke? You don't think Cesc, Carvalho, Sergio Ramos and Nesta are among the greatest players in the world? Purely because they had some injuries this year?

Henry is too low, its a joke he is below Aguero and Benzema.

What have they ever done, they are both hype. Henry has 26 goals this season, more than most strikers.

To say Aguero is hype is a bit silly. The kid (and he is a kid, just 20 years old) has scored 20 in all competitions.

I know the Arsenal fans will defend Henry to the death but there have really been only a handful of matches where he has really been outstanding in la Liga.

Benzema is quite high. This season even Anelka would be over him.

toon h wrote:

Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Your list is a joke. Some of the players were either injured, or woefully out of form. Cesc, Carvalho, Sergio Ramos, Nesta. wtf?

I have considered mostly this season but also let historical data weigh in a little.

I see.

why is my list a joke? You don't think Cesc, Carvalho, Sergio Ramos and Nesta are among the greatest players in the world? Purely because they had some injuries this year?

I'm not sure they would be among top 50 "currently".

Jaime wrote:To say Aguero is hype is a bit silly. The kid (and he is a kid, just 20 years old) has scored 20 in all competitions.

I know the Arsenal fans will defend Henry to the death but there have really been only a handful of matches where he has really been outstanding in la Liga.

Yeah he may turn out to be very good, but seeing as Toon has also taken the past into account, then there is no way Aguero can be higher than Henry.

Luckily Henry always scores at the Bernabeu

Carragher one place behind Henry made me laugh


The top ten is ok if you take Ribery out and replace him with the forehead. No point us bickering over the order though.

COTR wrote:Carragher one place behind Henry made me laugh


The top ten is ok if you take Ribery out and replace him with the forehead. No point us bickering over the order though.

who is the forehead?

Scarface should definitely be in the top 10 Cotter.

If he didn't play for Bayern you'd think otherwise.

Rosicky wrote:

Jaime wrote:To say Aguero is hype is a bit silly. The kid (and he is a kid, just 20 years old) has scored 20 in all competitions.

I know the Arsenal fans will defend Henry to the death but there have really been only a handful of matches where he has really been outstanding in la Liga.

Yeah he may turn out to be very good, but seeing as Toon has also taken the past into account, then there is no way Aguero can be higher than Henry.

Luckily Henry always scores at the Bernabeu

I may have put some Barcelona players lower in order to subconsciously overcompensate for my favouritism for the club's players.

toon h wrote:

COTR wrote:Carragher one place behind Henry made me laugh


The top ten is ok if you take Ribery out and replace him with the forehead. No point us bickering over the order though.

who is the forehead?

Ray Parlour wrote:Scarface should definitely be in the top 10 Cotter.

If he didn't play for Bayern you'd think otherwise.

Most exciting player to watch since Kaka had his great season two years ago.

Jaime wrote:

toon h wrote:

COTR wrote:Carragher one place behind Henry made me laugh


The top ten is ok if you take Ribery out and replace him with the forehead. No point us bickering over the order though.

who is the forehead?

I thought as much, but don't think he is world top 10 quite yet.

Ray Parlour wrote:Scarface should definitely be in the top 10 Cotter.

If he didn't play for Bayern you'd think otherwise.

You can have him in your top ten if you want Ray

He isn't in mine

Super Penalties wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:Scarface should definitely be in the top 10 Cotter.

If he didn't play for Bayern you'd think otherwise.

Most exciting player to watch since Kaka had his great season two years ago.

On that point unless Milan revamp the squad then I think Kaka needs to leave because he is entering his peak and needs to come back and show why he deserves to be the worlds best player.

Ray Parlour wrote:

Super Penalties wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:Scarface should definitely be in the top 10 Cotter.

If he didn't play for Bayern you'd think otherwise.

Most exciting player to watch since Kaka had his great season two years ago.

On that point unless Milan revamp the squad then I think Kaka needs to leave because he is entering his peak and needs to come back and show why he deserves to be the worlds best player.

I can't see where he would go to be honest unless it is Real Madrid. Chelsea might be a possibility but otherwise he doesn't have many clubs that could afford him and need him.

It's a shame because not many teams line up in the formation that suits Kaka. Just a couple youthful players and they're ready to go again.

They're like Arsenal but only on the older scale

Ray Parlour wrote:

Super Penalties wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:Scarface should definitely be in the top 10 Cotter.

If he didn't play for Bayern you'd think otherwise.

Most exciting player to watch since Kaka had his great season two years ago.

Do you watch Bayern? Ive read countless posts from bundesliga posters slamming ribery, calling him hype or overated, flat track bully...and this is in the bundesliga. Hell he might not even win the leageu with bayern. how is this guy number 6?

Kaka two seasons ago had a great 10 games not season

But i think toon's list is pretty good. Just a few small ones disagree with. Carragher is not among the top 50 in the world. and ribery is not top 20

Ray Parlour wrote:It's a shame because not many teams line up in the formation that suits Kaka. Just a couple youthful players and they're ready to go again.

They're like Arsenal but only on the older scale

Which is that?

L-r d wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:

Super Penalties wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:Scarface should definitely be in the top 10 Cotter.

If he didn't play for Bayern you'd think otherwise.

Most exciting player to watch since Kaka had his great season two years ago.

Do you watch Bayern? Ive read countless posts from bundesliga posters slamming ribery, calling him hype or overated, flat track bully...and this is in the bundesliga. Hell he might not even win the leageu with bayern. how is this guy number 6?

Kaka two seasons ago had a great 10 games not season

But i think toon's list is pretty good. Just a few small ones disagree with. Carragher is not among the top 50 in the world. and ribery is not top 20

Now that's just pure stupidity.

Regarding Kaka. He was better in the 2004-5 season when they lost the CL to Liverpool but the season he won WPOTY he was also very good and was always apparent in the big games.

If we go on your 10 great games then I don't think Ronaldo has ever had a great season

Jaime wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:It's a shame because not many teams line up in the formation that suits Kaka. Just a couple youthful players and they're ready to go again.

They're like Arsenal but only on the older scale

Which is that?

The 4-3-1-2 is what suits Kaka best but for some reason or another maybe because of a lack of good strikers Milan now play the 4-3-2-1 Christmas tree formation.

L-r d wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:

Super Penalties wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:Scarface should definitely be in the top 10 Cotter.

If he didn't play for Bayern you'd think otherwise.

Most exciting player to watch since Kaka had his great season two years ago.

Do you watch Bayern? Ive read countless posts from bundesliga posters slamming ribery, calling him hype or overated, flat track bully...and this is in the bundesliga. Hell he might not even win the leageu with bayern. how is this guy number 6?

Kaka two seasons ago had a great 10 games not season

But i think toon's list is pretty good. Just a few small ones disagree with. Carragher is not among the top 50 in the world. and ribery is not top 20

I didn't have Carragher at first and had Ashley Cole in but then thought that I needed another Liverpool player and Carragher was the obvious choice. After all, they have a very good and organized defence. Someone must be responsible for that apart from Benitez.

toon h wrote:

I didn't have Carragher at first and had Pato in but then thought that I needed another Liverpool player and Carragher was the obvious choice. After all, they have a very good and organized defence. Someone must be responsible for that apart from Benitez.

Reina is more responsible for it than Carra

Benitez is the main reason. Carragher was excellent, he now isn't.

Ray Parlour wrote:

Jaime wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:It's a shame because not many teams line up in the formation that suits Kaka. Just a couple youthful players and they're ready to go again.

They're like Arsenal but only on the older scale

Which is that?

The 4-3-1-2 is what suits Kaka best but for some reason or another maybe because of a lack of good strikers Milan now play the 4-3-2-1 Christmas tree formation.

I think Ancelotti prefers a 4-3-2-1 for defensive security aswell which is why Berlu at one point ordered him to start playing with two strikers again. However I agree that the lack of strikers has to do with it now at least. Anyway I hope Milan get their act together so we can see Kaka get back on his throne allthough I wouldn't mind if Ribery takes over.

Rooney > Ribery for me. Ribery has been sleepwalking through his career so far. Done nothing in the CL or a big league yet.

Ribery is not playing in a big league yet. Wait for that before making a comparison. They play different positions as well.