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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:56 pm

    L r dd wrote:People like TS and Pierre will make excuses for Rafa all day long because they are hypocrites of the highest degree. He's had one good premiership campaign in 6 seasons, in one he finished outside the top 4 and in this current one he'll do well to get 5th. The guy is a hateful overweight tosser who shows no real emotion and plays negative shite. He is abysmal in the transfer market and has bought 101 kids hoping to get lucky with one, the best one he's got is Insua who's turned out a little average to say the least. They overachieved last season just like Arsenal did the season before. Houllier was more succcessful and a nicer man to boot.

    How am I a hypocrite exactly? lrdland scratch

    Benitez has brought some right dross on occasion, and made a major faux-pas when he alienated Xabi Alonso and went chasing after a player not fit to clean his boots in Gareth Barry, but his resources aren't as big as Chelsea Man Utd's and the wage bill is smaller than Arsenal's.

    I agree with the post Glenn made last night where he could have gone for a load of £5-9mil players and just be qualifying for the CL with a deep squad lacking star quality outside of Gerrard (think 2006-07 when there was Crouch, Bellamy, Sissoko, Pennant, Garcia & so forth) however he's gone for the jugular by surrounding Gerrard with players of his caliber & bigger price tags (Torres, Mascherano, Johnson, Aquilani & even Babel), because the title is being craved desperately. Everything had to be near-perfect for this strategy to pay off, if it didn't he was going to be in big trouble.
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    Post by Fade out Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:01 pm

    Glenn the Christmas Hysén wrote:
    Rosicky. wrote:If they lose to Villa and Spurs in the next couple of games, they are fucked Ale

    lol!

    what an insight!

    (chinsight)

    Laugh
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    Post by fcb Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:09 pm

    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:
    L r dd wrote:People like TS and Pierre will make excuses for Rafa all day long because they are hypocrites of the highest degree. He's had one good premiership campaign in 6 seasons, in one he finished outside the top 4 and in this current one he'll do well to get 5th. The guy is a hateful overweight tosser who shows no real emotion and plays negative shite. He is abysmal in the transfer market and has bought 101 kids hoping to get lucky with one, the best one he's got is Insua who's turned out a little average to say the least. They overachieved last season just like Arsenal did the season before. Houllier was more succcessful and a nicer man to boot.

    How am I a hypocrite exactly? lrdland scratch

    Benitez has brought some right dross on occasion, and made a major faux-pas when he alienated Xabi Alonso and went chasing after a player not fit to clean his boots in Gareth Barry, but his resources aren't as big as Chelsea Man Utd's and the wage bill is smaller than Arsenal's.

    I agree with the post Glenn made last night where he could have gone for a load of £5-9mil players and just be qualifying for the CL with a deep squad lacking star quality outside of Gerrard (think 2006-07 when there was Crouch, Bellamy, Sissoko, Pennant, Garcia & so forth) however he's gone for the jugular by surrounding Gerrard with players of his caliber & bigger price tags (Torres, Mascherano, Johnson, Aquilani & even Babel), because the title is being craved desperately. Everything had to be near-perfect for this strategy to pay off, if it didn't he was going to be in big trouble.

    Glenn's point about expectations is a valid one, but it's too simple to blame everything on this one factor IMO. Even with things not being near-perfect, Benitez could have done (and can still do) things differently to try and avoid the current situation...as an example: he's probably spent a reasonable amount of money over the last 2/3 years buying loads of kids and overhauling the academy/scouting. Why is Insua the only one to make it to the first team so far? The likes of Pacheco are quite talented, can't they come into the team for the odd game instead of putting Dossena at LM?

    That also links to Glenn/COTR's point about tactical flexibility...for a so called 'master tactician' (and I do rate Benitez's ability to read and neutralise an opposition's style) he's not helping himself with his stubbornness. N'Gog is in good form, so why not continue to play him and switch to a 4-4-2?
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    Post by Dualist Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:09 pm

    They overachieved last season just like Arsenal did the season before

    Turning that logic on its head (a guilty pleasure of mine) santa - I would argue it was the reverse, both Arsenal and Liverpool bottled due to pressure, ref decisions and their own shortcomings. It's just a combination of things that favored United in these campaigns. United had a better command among the FA & referees to favor them by fixtures and decisions. It's just a traditional thing. If you win for so long, the refs are wound up easily. Not to forget Chelsea going through a patch in these three seasons. So you can always say the winner of the league turned lucky as much as you tease the close-runners to have over-achieved.
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    Post by L r dd Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:16 pm

    Well that's a load of conspiracy claims and arguable stuff that i don't believe to be reality.

    You can break it down a lot easier. In the last 6 seasons the title has been won by Man Utd or Chelsea. In at least 3 maybe 4 i cant be bothered to check it's been a Man Utd and Chelsea 1-2. So Arsenal have a season where they unusually did a lot better in the league and were looking like possible winners at one point. In the next season they struggle to keep their top 4 place...with the previous history i think it's fair to say for that one season they overachieved.

    Liverpool much the same only difference being they had to abandon the cups for the most part to focus on their league challenge where they overachieved and now they're underachieving but really top 4 is not guaranteed anymore as other teams have improved a lot while they have gone the other way.
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    Post by Dualist Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:19 pm

    Nah, lost key players and suffered injuries to key players, so they both struggled in the subsequent seasons.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:43 pm

    kas wrote:
    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:
    L r dd wrote:People like TS and Pierre will make excuses for Rafa all day long because they are hypocrites of the highest degree. He's had one good premiership campaign in 6 seasons, in one he finished outside the top 4 and in this current one he'll do well to get 5th. The guy is a hateful overweight tosser who shows no real emotion and plays negative shite. He is abysmal in the transfer market and has bought 101 kids hoping to get lucky with one, the best one he's got is Insua who's turned out a little average to say the least. They overachieved last season just like Arsenal did the season before. Houllier was more succcessful and a nicer man to boot.

    How am I a hypocrite exactly? lrdland scratch

    Benitez has brought some right dross on occasion, and made a major faux-pas when he alienated Xabi Alonso and went chasing after a player not fit to clean his boots in Gareth Barry, but his resources aren't as big as Chelsea Man Utd's and the wage bill is smaller than Arsenal's.

    I agree with the post Glenn made last night where he could have gone for a load of £5-9mil players and just be qualifying for the CL with a deep squad lacking star quality outside of Gerrard (think 2006-07 when there was Crouch, Bellamy, Sissoko, Pennant, Garcia & so forth) however he's gone for the jugular by surrounding Gerrard with players of his caliber & bigger price tags (Torres, Mascherano, Johnson, Aquilani & even Babel), because the title is being craved desperately. Everything had to be near-perfect for this strategy to pay off, if it didn't he was going to be in big trouble.

    Glenn's point about expectations is a valid one, but it's too simple to blame everything on this one factor IMO. Even with things not being near-perfect, Benitez could have done (and can still do) things differently to try and avoid the current situation...as an example: he's probably spent a reasonable amount of money over the last 2/3 years buying loads of kids and overhauling the academy/scouting. Why is Insua the only one to make it to the first team so far? The likes of Pacheco are quite talented, can't they come into the team for the odd game instead of putting Dossena at LM?

    That also links to Glenn/COTR's point about tactical flexibility...for a so called 'master tactician' (and I do rate Benitez's ability to read and neutralise an opposition's style) he's not helping himself with his stubbornness. N'Gog is in good form, so why not continue to play him and switch to a 4-4-2?

    it's an interesting point, but there's no guarantee that the team would have performed any better with one of the kids in there. Torres and Gerrard were available yesterday so it make sense to revert back to the tried and tested formation. Dossena has had plenty of good games at LW and so his selection was hardly abhorrent. I would say though that it's a bad time to try and blood new players, you want these kids to come into a winning side, one at a time and there's a big jump from the youth team to Premier League, see Man United yesterday when Ritchie Ctrl Alt de Laet was atrocious. Rafa has given plenty of young players opportunities when the team was on a nice run.

    The performances haven't been awful, the game yesterday saw a great deal of luck for Portsmouth, 99 times out of 100 the goals they scored would have hit the crowd, the side netting or the keeper, the last minute goals for Lyon in the Champions League turned 4 points into 1, and it's not unfair to expect that these anomalies will stop sooner or later.
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    Post by fcb Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:46 pm

    Glenn the Christmas Hysén wrote:
    kas wrote:
    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:
    L r dd wrote:People like TS and Pierre will make excuses for Rafa all day long because they are hypocrites of the highest degree. He's had one good premiership campaign in 6 seasons, in one he finished outside the top 4 and in this current one he'll do well to get 5th. The guy is a hateful overweight tosser who shows no real emotion and plays negative shite. He is abysmal in the transfer market and has bought 101 kids hoping to get lucky with one, the best one he's got is Insua who's turned out a little average to say the least. They overachieved last season just like Arsenal did the season before. Houllier was more succcessful and a nicer man to boot.

    How am I a hypocrite exactly? lrdland scratch

    Benitez has brought some right dross on occasion, and made a major faux-pas when he alienated Xabi Alonso and went chasing after a player not fit to clean his boots in Gareth Barry, but his resources aren't as big as Chelsea Man Utd's and the wage bill is smaller than Arsenal's.

    I agree with the post Glenn made last night where he could have gone for a load of £5-9mil players and just be qualifying for the CL with a deep squad lacking star quality outside of Gerrard (think 2006-07 when there was Crouch, Bellamy, Sissoko, Pennant, Garcia & so forth) however he's gone for the jugular by surrounding Gerrard with players of his caliber & bigger price tags (Torres, Mascherano, Johnson, Aquilani & even Babel), because the title is being craved desperately. Everything had to be near-perfect for this strategy to pay off, if it didn't he was going to be in big trouble.

    Glenn's point about expectations is a valid one, but it's too simple to blame everything on this one factor IMO. Even with things not being near-perfect, Benitez could have done (and can still do) things differently to try and avoid the current situation...as an example: he's probably spent a reasonable amount of money over the last 2/3 years buying loads of kids and overhauling the academy/scouting. Why is Insua the only one to make it to the first team so far? The likes of Pacheco are quite talented, can't they come into the team for the odd game instead of putting Dossena at LM?

    That also links to Glenn/COTR's point about tactical flexibility...for a so called 'master tactician' (and I do rate Benitez's ability to read and neutralise an opposition's style) he's not helping himself with his stubbornness. N'Gog is in good form, so why not continue to play him and switch to a 4-4-2?

    it's an interesting point, but there's no guarantee that the team would have performed any better with one of the kids in there. Torres and Gerrard were available yesterday so it make sense to revert back to the tried and tested formation. Dossena has had plenty of good games at LW and so his selection was hardly abhorrent. I would say though that it's a bad time to try and blood new players, you want these kids to come into a winning side, one at a time and there's a big jump from the youth team to Premier League, see Man United yesterday when Ritchie Ctrl Alt de Laet was atrocious. Rafa has given plenty of young players opportunities when the team was on a nice run.

    The performances haven't been awful, the game yesterday saw a great deal of luck for Portsmouth, 99 times out of 100 the goals they scored would have hit the crowd, the side netting or the keeper, the last minute goals for Lyon in the Champions League turned 4 points into 1, and it's not unfair to expect that these anomalies will stop sooner or later.

    lol!

    Agreed on the goals being one in a million wonder shots...but still, my logic was basically that Benitez needs to do something to change this negative dynamic, rather than just wait.

    Anyway, we'll see how it develops over the season. I still would put my money on Liverpool getting 4th.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:55 pm

    L r dd wrote: The guy is a hateful overweight tosser who shows no real emotion and plays negative shite

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    Post by Dualist Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:00 pm

    United play attacking football for the most part. Yeah, they did the wise thing against teams Chelsea, Arsnal, Barca by parking the bus and playing Cristiano Ronaldo as lone striker. Using both the wing-forwards incl. Wayne rooney to defend. After all, they had the best defence in Europe keeping record number of clean sheets.

    Btw I don't think Rafa's team played negative football last season. They are audacious when they attack. It's virtually impossible for the opponents to breath if they press like frantically nonstop machine.
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    Post by stinger Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:00 pm

    Ritchie Ctrl Alt de Laet
    lol!
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:05 pm

    stinger wrote:
    Ritchie Ctrl Alt de Laet
    lol!

    ok
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    Post by Dualist Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:08 pm

    Dualist wrote:United play attacking football for the most part. Yeah, they did the wise thing against teams Chelsea, Arsnal, Barca by parking the bus and playing Cristiano Ronaldo as lone striker. Using both the wing-forwards incl. Wayne rooney to defend. After all, they had the best defence in Europe keeping record number of clean sheets.

    Btw I don't think Rafa's team played negative football last season. They are audacious when they attack. It's virtually impossible for the opponents to breath if they press like frantically nonstop machine.

    Correction: Against Chelsea, CR7 played as a right winger (which was wise because he cannot beat Carvalho-Terry or Ashley Cole) and Rooney/Tevez played striker.
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    Post by fcb Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:05 am

    Aquilani's reportedly off to the placenta lady Neutral

    http://football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5793010,00.html
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    Post by UK_Andy Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:47 pm

    She must be making an absolute fortune. Wonder if she charges special prices for Premier League footballer. Taking the average wage in Serbia and adding a few noughts. Still, she "healed" Rieria, so maybe Benitez will play Aquilani after this.
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    Post by Luis Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:40 pm

    stinger wrote:
    Ritchie Ctrl Alt de Laet
    lol!

    lol! lol! lol! lol!

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