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    Arsènal FC - 09/10 Season Thread

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    Post by Aristoskank Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:36 am

    Tweedle wrote:I'd rather not. I don't think I could ever bring myself to support any of the giant european teams.


    Gotta love an Arsenal fan acting like he supports an underdog...
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:39 am

    Arsenal aren't a European Giant to be fair. Their European record compared to their domestic one is abysmal.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:39 am

    Have there been any other links to Chamakh other than that Auclair tip on Talksport?

    Man City fly out to Africa tomorrow for two pre-season fixtures, this one could be tied up pretty quickly IMO.
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:43 am

    Well I have a friend who works for Talk Sport and he says there'll be an announcement that Ade signs for City today.

    Wenger has said quite a few times that he would consider Chamakh in the event of a departure.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:53 am

    Ray Parlour wrote:We're more likely to sign this guy now.....

    Arsènal FC - 09/10 Season Thread - Page 3 Shhes3z9

    What's the point of buying another inexperienced player who isn't a significant improvement on the ones we already have?

    I'd rather give more playing time to Ramsey.
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    Post by Tweesus Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:02 pm

    Stimulus Package wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:I'd rather not. I don't think I could ever bring myself to support any of the giant european teams.


    Gotta love an Arsenal fan acting like he supports an underdog...

    That's not what I meant. Its the EPL vs Europe thang.
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    Post by Tweesus Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:03 pm

    Is Chamakh and improvement on Bendtner?

    I'd rather we used the Ade money to sign a top class DM.
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    Post by fcb Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:10 pm

    Interesting insight into the Usmanov vs. Arsenal Board debate, and the reasons each side has for their stance (based on what their advisors are telling them):


    Has Arsenal borrowed too much?

    Robert Peston | 00:00 AM, Tuesday, 14 July 2009

    I've obtained a copy of the financial analysis of Arsenal that was made by the investment bank Lazard Brothers in support of Alisher Usmanov's proposal that the club should raise up to £150m in a rights issue.

    It's a chunky 35-page document. But its conclusion can be summed up very simply: Arsenal has too much debt to pose a serious challenge to Europe's biggest clubs; or to use the jargon, it is over-leveraged, too thinly capitalised.

    This is a verdict that has been rejected by Arsenal's board, which has been advised by NM Rothschild.

    The North London club's directors argue that paying down debt would have only a marginal impact on the availability of financial resources.

    Of course, as an Arsenal-supporting BBC journalist, I couldn't possible take sides in this dispute between the Uzbekistani plutocrat and Arsenal's directors.

    But some of you will be interested in Usmanov's point of view.

    Here are a few bullet points from the Lazard document:

    1) It believes that Arsenal's earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (EBITDA) will fall from between £55m-60m in 2009 to £35-40m in 2010. The most striking contributor to this squeeze that it cites is a 12-14% increase in costs to £179m "as a result of players being compensated for tax changes and a number of step-ups in wages for individual players".

    2) It predicts that cash flow will fall by more than that because of some pre-payments on assorted deals that were taken in 2007.

    3) It says that Arsenal's fans are already paying 40% more than the average for the big four English clubs for match tickets and 24% more for season tickets - implying there's little scope to increase gate revenues, especially in a recession.

    4) It calculates Arsenal's gross average annual spend on new players as £18m, compared with £37m for the big four; and the net annual spend, including sales, as precisely zero, compared with a £20.2m big four average

    5) Perhaps most germanely of all, it fears that redevelopment of Arsenal's former Highbury stadium into luxury apartments may not turn out to be profitable - and that refinancing £140m of property-related debt over the next couple of years will be neither cheap or easy.

    So Usmanov - the second-biggest shareholder in Arsenal with a 25 per cent stake - suggests that investors stump up a maximum of £150m via a rights issue of new shares.

    This would provide additional funds for Arsene Wenger to augment the playing squad, and/or pay off some of the property debt, and/or pay down a substantial portion of the £242m of separate debt incurred to fund the development of the new Emirates stadium.

    As I say, Arsenal's board has said no to all this, following detailed scrutiny by bankers from Rothschild - which included those bankers sounding out the most important individual at the club, Arsene Wenger.

    The advice to the board from Rothschild was:

    a) paying down the Emirates-related debt would save a maximum of £5m a year;

    b) there are better ways to rehabilitate the Highbury redevelopment, including a putative cunning plan under negotiation right now - and even if the worst came to the worst, there should be no direct financial contagion to the club, since the providers of the property loans have no recourse to the footballing assets;

    c) perhaps most controversially, the chaps from Rothschild don't believe Arsene Wenger is seriously constrained by lack of finance in his ability to develop the playing squad - and, more importantly, they don't believe that he feels fettered (if you see what I mean).

    All of which would be described by some as a courageous blocking tackle: turning down equity finance during a sharp recession, and while the worst conditions in living memory for property developers prevail, well that's quite ballsy.
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    Post by Tweesus Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:23 pm

    Property prices have levelled out now. Indeed the average price of a London property rose by £10,000 over the last quarter so I guess the profitability of the highbury devt will depend on that.

    The 'cunning' part is probably an adjustment of the affordable housing percentage, negotiated through a financial viability assessment. Its currently 50% but they could easily rescind the entire affordable housing provison.
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    Post by Aristoskank Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:47 pm

    MadVillain™ wrote:Arsenal aren't a European Giant to be fair. Their European record compared to their domestic one is abysmal.

    Never sought to imply they were, just that there isn't much difference between Arsenal and Barca when you consider football clubs outside of the top 10 in Europe.
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    Post by Allez les rouges Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:27 pm

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/arsenal-fans-hold-prayer-vigil-for-adebayor-move-200907141901/
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    Post by Hlebagone Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:39 pm

    Wow, we have gotta sign Chamakh. Check this compilation out. Awesome! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL9fbj0XkKk
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    Post by Hlebagone Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:46 pm

    My brief and ultimately pointless thoughts on Adebayor: Certainly, his comments last summer were less than ideal but footballers (especially foreign ones with no real affiliation to the club) are mercenaries and his attmepts to get more money were fair enough. What wasn't fair enough though was how he performed this season. Adebayor will always be frustrating himself in front of goal but during the 07/08 this was largely forgotten due to the fact he was so dangerous. Willing to run the flanks tirelessly and looking to pounce on anything. His physicality complimented the work of Hleb and Fabregas perfectly. Even if the team was far weaker this season, there was such a massive difference in his finishing it was scarcely believable. His finishing was still inconsistent but he just couldn't be bothered to move to get in the same positions and when he wasnt moving, his dodgy first touch was only highlighted further.
    Only stupid Arsenal fans would claim him to be rubbish, but it is understandable that many arent too fussed to see him leave.

    Besides, i think im right in saying that Chamakh is the new Pele.
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    Post by Tweesus Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:49 pm

    You could make Djimi Traoré look world class using a youtube comp to de fair.
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    Post by Hlebagone Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:50 pm

    It was tongue in cheek Tweeds. Watch the opening minute.
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    Post by Tweesus Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:52 pm

    I'm at work Embarassed
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    Post by Six Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:55 pm

    Hlebagone wrote:Wow, we have gotta sign Chamakh. Check this compilation out. Awesome!