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Barca, Juve, Inter, Man Utd, Real, Chelsea.
The Usuals.
The Usuals.
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On paper, Chelsea in the Premier League.
Between Barcelona, Chelsea and Real Madrid in Europe.
Between Barcelona, Chelsea and Real Madrid in Europe.
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Do you mean purely the quality of the individuals, or should we also account for the "x-factor" that depends on how the 11 gel together?
And for a one-off match or over a season?
And for a one-off match or over a season?
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kas wrote:Do you mean purely the strength of the individuals, or should we also account for the "x-factor" that depends on how the 11 gel together?
individually
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toon h wrote:kas wrote:Do you mean purely the strength of the individuals, or should we also account for the "x-factor" that depends on how the 11 gel together?
individually
kas wrote:And for a one-off match or over a season?
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Barcelona v Real Madrid
Valdes < Casillas
Alves > Ramos
Pique > Albiol
Puyol < Pepe (getting on a bit)
Abidal > Arbeloa
Yaya > Lass
Xavi > Xabi
Iniesta < Kaka (though the overall dynamics of both players' careers would indicate this may soon change)
Messi = Ronaldo
Ibra > Benzema
Henry > Higuain
Barcelona 7.5 - 3.5 Madrid
Valdes < Casillas
Alves > Ramos
Pique > Albiol
Puyol < Pepe (getting on a bit)
Abidal > Arbeloa
Yaya > Lass
Xavi > Xabi
Iniesta < Kaka (though the overall dynamics of both players' careers would indicate this may soon change)
Messi = Ronaldo
Ibra > Benzema
Henry > Higuain
Barcelona 7.5 - 3.5 Madrid
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kas wrote:toon h wrote:kas wrote:Do you mean purely the strength of the individuals, or should we also account for the "x-factor" that depends on how the 11 gel together?
individuallykas wrote:And for a one-off match or over a season?
just get on with it...
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toon h wrote:Barcelona v Real Madrid
Valdes < Casillas
Alves = Ramos
Pique < Albiol
Puyol < Pepe (getting on a bit)
Abidal = Arbeloa
Yaya > Lass
Xavi > Xabi
Iniesta < Kaka (though the overall dynamics of both players' careers would indicate this may soon change)
Messi = Ronaldo
Ibra < Benzema
Henry < Higuain
Much better
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toon h wrote:Barcelona v Real Madrid
Valdes < Casillas
Alves > Ramos
Pique > Albiol
Puyol < Pepe (getting on a bit)
Abidal > Arbeloa
Yaya > Lass
Xavi > Xabi
Iniesta < Kaka (though the overall dynamics of both players' careers would indicate this may soon change)
Messi = Ronaldo
Ibra > Benzema
Henry > Higuain
Barcelona 7.5 - 3.5 Madrid
Ahh, now we get to the real point of the thread
I read the comparison in Marca too this morning, and disagreed with the author there. Let me post my thoughts:
Valdes < Casillas
Alves > Ramos
Puyol = Pepe
Pique > Albiol
Abidal = Arbeloa
Toure > Lass
Xavi > Xabi Alonso
Iniesta = Kaka
Messi > Ronaldo
Henry > Raul
Ibrahimovic = Benzema
Casillas the only RM player better than his Barcelona equivalent...and there's no bias in any of those comparisons
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TM wrote:toon h wrote:Barcelona v Real Madrid
Valdes < Casillas
Alves = Ramos
Pique < Albiol
Puyol < Pepe (getting on a bit)
Abidal = Arbeloa
Yaya > Lass
Xavi > Xabi
Iniesta < Kaka (though the overall dynamics of both players' careers would indicate this may soon change)
Messi = Ronaldo
Ibra < Benzema
Henry < Higuain
Much better
it's good to see you haven't lost your sense of humour yet after last season.
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how can anyone compare xavi to xabi
xavi is the best playmaker in the world, xabi not
compare xabi to toure
barca wins in every aspect against real madrid, they are perfect individuals and a perfect team,
xavi is the best playmaker in the world, xabi not
compare xabi to toure
barca wins in every aspect against real madrid, they are perfect individuals and a perfect team,
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Özil wrote:how can anyone compare xavi to xabi
xavi is the best playmaker in the world, xabi not
compare xabi to toure
Toure still wins
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Özil wrote:how can anyone compare xavi to xabi
xavi is the best playmaker in the world, xabi not
compare xabi to toure
so who do we compare Lassana Diarra to? Xavi?
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toon h wrote:TM wrote:toon h wrote:Barcelona v Real Madrid
Valdes < Casillas
Alves = Ramos
Pique < Albiol
Puyol < Pepe (getting on a bit)
Abidal = Arbeloa
Yaya > Lass
Xavi > Xabi
Iniesta < Kaka (though the overall dynamics of both players' careers would indicate this may soon change)
Messi = Ronaldo
Ibra < Benzema
Henry < Higuain
Much better
it's good to see you haven't lost your sense of humour yet after last season.
Player compaisons are always tricky.
Alves Vs Ramos for one both are very attacking full backs, but Alves is a defensive liability, he wasn't exposured too much last year because no teams really attacked Barca, but on the occassions when they did he looked Shaky. Just a personal opinion
And for Henry Vs Higuian, I know which player I'd rather have
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TM wrote:toon h wrote:TM wrote:toon h wrote:Barcelona v Real Madrid
Valdes < Casillas
Alves = Ramos
Pique < Albiol
Puyol < Pepe (getting on a bit)
Abidal = Arbeloa
Yaya > Lass
Xavi > Xabi
Iniesta < Kaka (though the overall dynamics of both players' careers would indicate this may soon change)
Messi = Ronaldo
Ibra < Benzema
Henry < Higuain
Much better
it's good to see you haven't lost your sense of humour yet after last season.
Player compaisons are always tricky.
Alves Vs Ramos for one both are very attacking full backs, but Alves is a defensive liability, he wasn't exposured too much last year because no teams really attacked Barca, but on the occassions when they did he looked Shaky. Just a personal opinion
And for Henry Vs Higuian, I know which player I'd rather have
Let's be realistic though...Henry should be compared to Raul, because that's who will play in Madrid's "once de gala".
Edit: And are you trying to say that Sergio Ramos is not poor defensively?
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Chelsea v Barcelona
Cech > Valdes
Bosingwa < Alves
Terry > Puyol
Carvalho > Pique
A Cole = Abidal
Mikel < Yaya
Essien = Xavi
Ballack < Iniesta
Lampard < Messi
J Cole < Henry (if nothing else because of his injuries)
Drogba = Ibrahimovic
Chelsea 4.5 - 6.5 Barcelona
I must say, player for player Barcelona would probably beat anyone, except for a few defenders.
Cech > Valdes
Bosingwa < Alves
Terry > Puyol
Carvalho > Pique
A Cole = Abidal
Mikel < Yaya
Essien = Xavi
Ballack < Iniesta
Lampard < Messi
J Cole < Henry (if nothing else because of his injuries)
Drogba = Ibrahimovic
Chelsea 4.5 - 6.5 Barcelona
I must say, player for player Barcelona would probably beat anyone, except for a few defenders.
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Drogba>Ibra
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I'd do the front 6 in a different way.
Cech > Valdes
Boswinga < Alves
Terry > Puyol
Carvahlo > Pique
Cole = Abidal
Essien > Yaya
Ballack < Xavi
Lampard < Iniesta
J Cole < Messi
Anelka = Henry
Drogba > Ibra
6 - 5 Chelsea
Cech > Valdes
Boswinga < Alves
Terry > Puyol
Carvahlo > Pique
Cole = Abidal
Essien > Yaya
Ballack < Xavi
Lampard < Iniesta
J Cole < Messi
Anelka = Henry
Drogba > Ibra
6 - 5 Chelsea
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Ibrah>>>Benzema 
In a ONE off match between Barca and Real, it wouldn't even be worth playing Ibrah!
In a ONE off match between Barca and Real, it wouldn't even be worth playing Ibrah!
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For some reason, it won't let me post the player comparisions properly.
In response to Park Lives' post,
I'd say Valdes is an equal of Cech on current form.
That Cole>Abidal
Henry is also better than Anelka, and I'd say Droba + Zlatan are equals.
In response to Park Lives' post,
I'd say Valdes is an equal of Cech on current form.
That Cole>Abidal
Henry is also better than Anelka, and I'd say Droba + Zlatan are equals.
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Player to player comparisons again 
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The summer has dragged on for a while....I think everyone has run out of creative threads.
The season really does need to start.
The season really does need to start.
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Good point. The Grauniad has lots of interesting blogs – their "Joy of Six" series is pretty interesting for one – great finishers, team goals, late goals, etc etc. Someone could start up a thread on that 
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Valdes < Reina
Alves > Johnson
Pique > Carragher
Puyol < Agger
Abidal > Aurelio
Yaya < Mascherano
Xavi > Aquilani
Iniesta = Gerrard (hard to compare really)
Messi > Riera
Ibra < Torres
Henry > Kuyt
6 - 4
Barca are better than Liverpool! What a suprising outcome.
Alves > Johnson
Pique > Carragher
Puyol < Agger
Abidal > Aurelio
Yaya < Mascherano
Xavi > Aquilani
Iniesta = Gerrard (hard to compare really)
Messi > Riera
Ibra < Torres
Henry > Kuyt
6 - 4
Barca are better than Liverpool! What a suprising outcome.
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I won't even bother doing one for us
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You probably made Messiah's day.Crouching Tiger wrote:Valdes < Reina
Alves > Johnson
Pique > Carragher
Puyol < Agger
Abidal > Aurelio
Yaya < Mascherano
Xavi > Aquilani
Iniesta = Gerrard (hard to compare really)
Messi > Riera
Ibra < Torres
Henry > Kuyt
6 - 4
Barca are better than Liverpool! What a suprising outcome.
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Reina > VSD
Johnson > Rafael
Insua < Evra
Carragher < Ferdinand
Skrtel = Vidic
Mascherano > Anderson
Aquilani ? Carrick
Kuyt > Valencia
Gerrard = Rooney
Riera > Nani
Torres > Owen
Man Utd 1-4 Liverpool
Johnson > Rafael
Insua < Evra
Carragher < Ferdinand
Skrtel = Vidic
Mascherano > Anderson
Aquilani ? Carrick
Kuyt > Valencia
Gerrard = Rooney
Riera > Nani
Torres > Owen
Man Utd 1-4 Liverpool
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Reina > rensing
Johnson < lahm
Insua > badstuber
Carragher =vanbuyten
Skrtel = pranjic
Mascherano > vanbommel
Aquilani = altintop
Kuyt < schweinsteiger
Gerrard = ribery
Riera < gomez
Torres = klose
Johnson < lahm
Insua > badstuber
Carragher =vanbuyten
Skrtel = pranjic
Mascherano > vanbommel
Aquilani = altintop
Kuyt < schweinsteiger
Gerrard = ribery
Riera < gomez
Torres = klose
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