ÖZIL - hes on fire; ------- özil vs Gourcuff

Bernd, you knows your stuff

there are HUGE IFs about Marin

even I would reserve judgement for now

having said that , he is VERY lucky to play at BREMEN, where he enjoys the most stable environment in the Bundesliga

Werder is EXACTLY the right club for him

little side-note: IF Marin makes it BIG, your lover-boy Martin JOL has more EGGS on his face that Hungary produces in a year

Marin , apparently, had already agreed terms with HSV, when Jol put in his VETO, saying " I am NOT SURE he would play UNDER ME"

and they say Dutchies can spot a TALENT

as for Özil:

Deisler is RIGHT to get excited about the lad

the SKY is the fucking LIMIT

skill-, and more importantly, PERSONALITY-WISE

my only worry is that he will leave Werder NEXT season to move to Seria A where Juve and Co already got their vaults open

he should stay at Werder for THREE years, TWO at least

and yes, Bernd, should you ask,

Özil >>>>> ZEROoney

wahre G

Unflinching Frenchman wrote:It is no excuse. I don't rate players ONLY by trophies, it's a fallacy. Kaka's influence on his team far outweighs Iniesta's.

ballack >>>>>>> seedorf (with 3 cl trophies) but ballack will end as one of the best player in his decade


ballack >>>>>> pirlo


ballack >>>>>>gerrard

ballack>>>>>>>>fat frank

no contest, titles not everything

I rate Ballack. What are you hitting at?

He is trolling, ignore it.

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:

Bernd, you knows your stuff

there are HUGE IFs about Marin

even I would reserve judgement for now

having said that , he is VERY lucky to play at BREMEN, where he enjoys the most stable environment in the Bundesliga

Werder is EXACTLY the right club for him

little side-note: IF Marin makes it BIG, your lover-boy Martin JOL has more EGGS on his face that Hungary produces in a year

Marin , apparently, had already agreed terms with HSV, when Jol put in his VETO, saying " I am NOT SURE he would play UNDER ME"

and they say Dutchies can spot a TALENT

as for Özil:

Deisler is RIGHT to get excited about the lad

the SKY is the fucking LIMIT

skill-, and more importantly, PERSONALITY-WISE

my only worry is that he will leave Werder NEXT season to move to Seria A where Juve and Co already got their vaults open

he should stay at Werder for THREE years, TWO at least

and yes, Bernd, should you ask,

Özil >>>>> ZEROoney

wahre G

Of what I've seen, Marin looks very lightweight. His progress hasn't been as quick as I expect a lot of people were expecting?

Or was there too much hype to begin with? Probably the latter.

Ozil looks a special talent, my preference of the two:

so despite my tendencies to poke fun at you Jarmans,

even an Anglo-Gypsy such as myself can appreciate a good footballer, irrespective of nationality.

But then big things were expected of Podolski and Schweinsteiger. Neither has fulfilled that expectation.

Oh, and I presume you're referring to Wayne "10 goals in the last 8 International games" Rooney?

Or are you referring to Wayne "4 goals in 4 2009 EPL games" Rooney?

The Wayne Rooney who's played in 2 consecutive CL finals, and won 3 EPL league titles in a row? The Wayne Rooney who is currently the leading goalscorer in World Cup qualifiers in Europe, more prolific than Klose, Torres, Villa etc?

Then sure, you've certainly got plenty of foundation to claim Ozil is better than Rooney,

because, after all, Rooney is English

Re Marin.

He will come good, he is already looking very good, much earlier than me and most Werder fans expected to be honest. Werder is the right environment for him indeed. Schaaf will work on his weaknesses and he will improve just like Özil did before him. Özil is a far more complete player now than he was when he joined us over a year ago.

They are different kinds of players, but I believe both Marin and Özil to have the same level of potential. It remains to be seen who will make the most of it, hopefully both.

blutgraetsche wrote:Re Marin.

He will come good, he is already looking very good, much earlier than me and most Werder fans expected to be honest. Werder is the right environment for him indeed. Schaaf will work on his weaknesses and he will improve just like Özil did before him. Özil is a far more complete player now than he was when he joined us over a year ago.

They are different kinds of players, but I believe both Marin and Özil to have the same level of potential. It remains to be seen who will make the most of it, hopefully both.

And long may they stay out of the clutches of evil (Bayern).

So often "big" teams can ruin talents (Podolski at Bayern)

In the case of Rooney, he just proved to be too goddam good to be ruined by United, despite Fergle insisting on playing him out on the left.

your obsession with 002 is endearing, bernd

I hear the Italians like Luc Badoer

probably for the same reasons

Ferguson has a relatively good record with young players, can't really compare it to the Bayern talent graveyeard.

Ironically, Bayern's youth academy is top notch, they keep producing a number of truly gifted players every year, but only very few of them seem to get a chance in their first team. And even if they manage to (more or less) establish themselves in the first team, e.g. Schweinsteiger, they seem to stagnate or even regress.

If you take a look at the squads of other Bundesliga teams, e.g. Wolfsburg and especially HSV, the leaders in the league atm, you'll see a number of former Bayern players, some of them from the Bayern youth even (e.g. Wolfsburg's Misimovic, or HSV's Trochowski, important key players of their respective clubs). So it's not because those players lack talent, it's because of the very difficult environment in München, for various reasons. Only very few players, if any, actually improve there - you should be an established player, a 'finished product', before you join FC Bayern München.

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:your obsession with 002 is endearing, bernd

I hear the Italians like Luc Badoer

probably for the same reasons

The Italians also LOVE 10goals8games (well, one Italian. Known as The DON, whose seen some pretty strong squads in his time)

10G8G is the sole reason we will have any chance in WC2010. So of course he demands plenty of our attention.

You're a decent chap, but I'll play this one with a straight bat:

I wouldn't expect someone who claimed for years that Poldolski (then Klose, then Kuranyi, and then Gomez) was better, to understand

Spider Crouch wrote:

10G8G is the sole reason we will have any chance in WC2010. So of course he demands plenty of our attention.

you think England have ANY CHANCE of becoming World Champs in 2010 ?!



sweet jesus, bernd, you are incorrigable



let me put it like this

the odds of England winning the World Cup in 2010 are lower than a civilian PILOT flying a one-engine propeller plane from Germany to Moscow in the middle of the COLD WAR, under the SOVIET RADAR and managing to outwit the ENTIRE SOVIET AIR FORCE with all of them MIGs

oh wait

that analogy does not work, now does it ?!

Ozil is talented, no doubt about that! But to say he is already the best talent in the world..he is not even the most talented German born player of Turkish descent...cause that is Sahin of course.

De Guzman>>>Ozil btw

Özil >>>>>> Sahin Fey, it's no contest.

Weren't you hyping the other Feyenoord kid, Wijnmagnesium or something? Or is De Guzman the flavour of the month now?

Wijnaldum is like 3 years younger, but he already is further at his age then Ozil was when he was younger. And will most likely be better then Ozil as well.

I picked De Guzman cause they are around the same age!

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:

10G8G is the sole reason we will have any chance in WC2010. So of course he demands plenty of our attention.

you think England have ANY CHANCE of becoming World Champs in 2010 ?!



sweet jesus, bernd, you are incorrigable



let me put it like this

the odds of England winning the World Cup in 2010 are lower than a civilian PILOT flying a one-engine propeller plane from Germany to Moscow in the middle of the COLD WAR, under the SOVIET RADAR and managing to outwit the ENTIRE SOVIET AIR FORCE with all of them MIGs

oh wait

that analogy does not work, now does it ?!

In other words, about as much chance as Germany have of winning it.

Time to get with the times old chap.

ZEROoney is now the most PROLIFIC striker in European qualifying,

England finally have a COMPETENT manager.

But then let me guess:

you still listen to casettes, watch Betamax tapes and wear a Swatch Watch to remind you of the early 90s, because that's where your footballing opinions come from

De Guzman is a year older and Özil has the (triple) X-factor! No contest Fey!

Özil has eyes like a Fly btw. He can see what's happening behind him without turning his head.

whatever happened to Kroos I thought we were on the Kroos bandwagon?

Do I have to change my car sticker now?

Kroos bandwagon never stopped rolling. He'll come good, nice assist for the winning goal this weekened. The longer he stays away from Munich, the better.

Kroos is over a year younger than Marin and Özil, give the kid time.

Kroos, Marin, Ozil:

I'm sure I speak for the rest of us in hoping they don't all come good at exactly the same time,

otherwise it'll be:



***SHUDDER***

blutgraetsche wrote:De Guzman is a year older and Özil has the (triple) X-factor! No contest Fey!

Özil has eyes like a Fly btw. He can see what's happening behind him without turning his head.

Fair enough, lets do a Wijnaldum v Ozil then, more compareble players anyway. Wijnaldum is younger, but Ozil plays in a bit of a better league.