ÖZIL - hes on fire; ------- özil vs Gourcuff

blutgraetsche wrote:The UEFA U19 Euros are every year:

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/under19/history/index.html


The FiFA U20 WC is every two years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_U-20_World_Cup

The best six teams of last years U19 Euro qualified for this years U20 WC.

The U17 Euros are every year, too, only the U21 Euros are every two years. The FiFA U17 WC is every two years also.


Every year:

UEFA: U17 Euros, U19 Euros


Every two years:

UEFA: U21 Euros

FiFA: U17 WC, U20 WC


European teams qualify for the WC by doing well / decently in the respective UEFA competitions (U17 / U19 Euros).

Cheers Blut.

Far too many competitions says I

Spider Crouch wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:The UEFA U19 Euros are every year:

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/under19/history/index.html


The FiFA U20 WC is every two years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_U-20_World_Cup

The best six teams of last years U19 Euro qualified for this years U20 WC.

The U17 Euros are every year, too, only the U21 Euros are every two years. The FiFA U17 WC is every two years also.


Every year:

UEFA: U17 Euros, U19 Euros


Every two years:

UEFA: U21 Euros

FiFA: U17 WC, U20 WC


European teams qualify for the WC by doing well / decently in the respective UEFA competitions (U17 / U19 Euros).

Cheers Blut.

Far too many competitions says I

Well its not like the players have the time to wait 4 years

lol how is he not turkish? turkish parents, turkish name, his favorite team fenerbahce is from turkey.

The only reason he chose Germany because Germany has law stating that if u choose any other NT you lose ur german citizenship.

fenerliyim wrote:lol how is he not turkish? turkish parents, turkish name, his favorite team fenerbahce is from turkey.

The only reason he chose Germany because Germany has law stating that if u choose any other NT you lose ur german citizenship.

These German c**ts eh!

Doesnt suprise me at all, thanks for telling the truth

fenerliyim wrote:lol how is he not turkish? turkish parents, turkish name, his favorite team fenerbahce is from turkey.

The only reason he chose Germany because Germany has law stating that if u choose any other NT you lose ur german citizenship.

No offence, but that's total nonsense. He was born and raised in Gelsenkirchen (still Germany AFAIK), even his parents were born in Germany. That's why he got the German citizenship automatically. And while the roots of his family are of course Turkish, he has to choose his nationality just like every other citizen who is eligible for more than one passport. He chose Germany and he chose the German national team, it was his own decision, nobody forced him to do it (as if that's possible... ).

If he really wanted to play for Turkey, he could have done so rather easily. Turkey could have and very likely would have given him the citizenship in no time. Fatih Terim clearly tried his best to convince him, but he said no, so please stop talking nonsense and get over it already.

Yea but not every other country threatens to take away ur passport away if u dont choose them.

I have both an American and Turkish passport. I didnt have to choose one or the other.

Germany implemented this rule after they started losing players like Nuri Sahin to us.

Since the rule was implemented later the likes of Sahin, the Altintop brothers and etc.. get to keep their german passports but the new ones have to choose either to lose their citizenship or declare to play for germany.

And since Turkey isnt an EU country, our passport doesnt do much good when u want to play abroad. We count against the foreigner quota.

So choosing Turkey isnt always the best career move for them.

This rule has nothing to do with football, it's international law. More than one citizenship has to be avoided if possible. Turkey and Germany have a bilateral agreement on this, so it's either Turkey or Germany, that's up to the person him- / herself. It's not like Özil would have been kicked out of the country if he chose to give back his German passport and choose the Turkish instead, that was his own choice. AFAIK, both Altintops are still playing in Germany and are pretty successful at that, as is Sahin.

Do you honestly believe that the German state made 'changes' to the citizenship law just because of a few footballers? I do sometimes think that this country has become a banana republic indeed, but that's just plain ridiculous. Seriously, get real.

Özil is a German with a Turkish background. He was born here, he learned to play football here, he lived here all his life. He chose Germany because he wanted to, because this made most sense. Nobody forced him to. And just because he chose Germany it doesn't mean that he forgot about his Turkish roots either.

We have 15-20 million people living in this country who have a migration background, most of them have a German passport. This is 2009, not 1933. Time to smell the coffee, those people are not 'less German' than others.

Sticking feathers up your arse doesnt make you a chicken blut!

So stop stealing Turks, Poles etc.

I hope someone 'steals' you and puts a couple of feathers in yours!

Blut, you are ofcourse 100% right but that doesn't make it any less funny joking about it. I am not at all in favor of losing your own roots. I for one think one should be able to be Turkish and German and they should make people more comfortable to be able to be proud of both roots, personally I think this would stimulate the minority population a whole lot more than now is the case when it is looked weird upon when someone says he is both German and Turkish. That isn't to say people like Ozil should be thankful for getting an opportunity in a country which has produces many talents before and is getting top class treatment.

I really don't understand why Germany implements this one passport rule.

I have a British and Hungarian passport - so does the rest of my family. To have to choose to be one or the other seems quite extraordinary.

Spider Crouch wrote:I really don't understand why Germany implements this one passport rule.

I have a British and Hungarian passport - so does the rest of my family. To have to choose to be one or the other is beyond me.

It is the same in the Netherlands. I can't understand why people can't feel close to 2 countries. It is just a populist statement I guess.

Well, he of course is both. Just because he plays for Germany it doesn't mean that he forgets about his Turkish roots, as I said before. It was his own decision, he chose Germany, and I think everybody should just respect that decision, just like we respected Altintops decision to play for the country of his parents instead of the country in which he was born (although even Özil's parents were born here).

Unfortunately however, many Turkish fans attacked Özil for his decision, which is sad. And it's the reason why I'm really fed up with this whole discussion.

Spider Crouch wrote:I really don't understand why Germany implements this one passport rule.

I have a British and Hungarian passport - so does the rest of my family. To have to choose to be one or the other seems quite extraordinary.

This was a huge political controversy in this country a decade ago. The left actually lobbied for this, but the conservatives won in the end.

It's not set in stone, since some parties still want to change the law to allow multiple citizenship. Besides, there actually are Germans who have more than one passport. Some countries don't allow their citizens to 'give up' their citizenship, or they simply don't have a bilateral agreement with Germany. Turkey is not one of those countries though.

blutgraetsche wrote:Well, he of course is both. Just because he plays for Germany it doesn't mean that he forgets about his Turkish roots, as I said before. It was his own decision, he chose Germany, and I think everybody should just respect that decision, just like we respected Altintops decision to play for the country of his parents instead of the country in which he was born (although even Özils parents were born here).

Unfortunately however, many Turkish fans attacked Özil for his decision, which is sad. And it's the reason why I'm really fed up with this whole discussion.

The reasons given by the Turkish poster for why the law positively influences him to choose Germany is interesting though. It makes sense.

It also helps that he's good enough to play for Germany, because if he wasn't he may have chosen Turkey instead. We see this all the time in England where a large number of English born players choose to play for Jamaica for example (Frank Sinclair, Robbie Earle etc), or Ireland (Phil Babb, Jason Mcateer), or Scotland (Nigel Quashie).

It's ridiculous to claim that Germany changed the laws because of a few footballers though, that's total nonsense. The law was actually not changed. The left wanted a more liberal citizenship law, but the conservatives won the battle.

Of course there are various factors involved when it comes to a decision like this. But like I said, he could have easily played for Turkey if he really wanted to, Fatih Terim repeatedly tried to convince him. But Özil played in all of our youth teams, never for Turkey, and always wanted to play for Germany in future, even at a time when it was not clear at all if he was going to be 'good enough'.

He said himself that he wants to set an example for other Germans with a migration background, especially those with a Turkish background, the biggest group of immigrants. They are simply a reality in this country, and this reality needs to be represented in the national team, too. This will actually make it easier for many of them to identify with their national team, so I really don't know what the problem is.

So the DFB made him an offer he couldnt refuse, I guess

The law wasn't made for footballing reasons that much is try. It does however make the decision a whole lot more drastic when choosing for Turkey, that would mean he would lose his German passport right? I know that the law has nothing to do with football but I can understand the frustration of Turkeys fans. What now happens that these immigrants don't feel at home at both Germany as Turkey. Nobody benefits from this law!

Well if he was born, lived and raised in Germany, he should play for Germany - that I agree with, irrespective of anything else

Terim never actually went in person to get Ozil. Our NT manager has a bit of an ego problem. He pretty much believes in his nickname 'The Emperor' .

He's only spoken by phone from wat i know. Anyway having him would be pretty nice but we're pretty stacked in the midfield area anyway.

Wat we need are decent defenders and Germany took Serdar Tasci(Stuttgart) too. :pissedoff:

Ozil will realize he is missing the 'edge of heaven'.

Since 1888 wrote:The law wasn't made for footballing reasons that much is try. It does however make the decision a whole lot more drastic when choosing for Turkey, that would mean he would lose his German passport right? I know that the law has nothing to do with football but I can understand the frustration of Turkeys fans. What now happens that these immigrants don't feel at home at both Germany as Turkey. Nobody benefits from this law!

false

or why have so many brazilinas a brazil and spanish passport

Özil wrote:

Since 1888 wrote:The law wasn't made for footballing reasons that much is try. It does however make the decision a whole lot more drastic when choosing for Turkey, that would mean he would lose his German passport right? I know that the law has nothing to do with football but I can understand the frustration of Turkeys fans. What now happens that these immigrants don't feel at home at both Germany as Turkey. Nobody benefits from this law!

false

or why have so many brazilinas a brazil and spanish passport

Have you not been paying attention?

fenerliyim is off his trolley

he should apologise to the great German people

Özil and Tasci CHOSE to play for Germany

they WANTED to play for Germany, because they feel more like German FOOTBALLERS/citizens than Turkish ones (amongst other reasons)

the VAST majority of German born ethnic Turkish "German " footballers have opted for the Turkish option though, including the Alintop brothers, Sahin, Bastürk and MANY others

to say that ethnic Turks feel obligated to opt for German citizenship because they would otherwise have disadvantages is PREPOSTEROUS

we have LOST so many German-born East-Europeans, for instance, I have lost count (Klasnic, the SUPERBERB "Bavarian" Misimovic...)

and EVEN IF players felt a certain pressure to take on German citizenship because it facilitates certain things whilst living in Germany or the EU: well, BRILLIANT

it means there is an INCENTIVE to take on citizenship of the country you live in and have been born it

ANYTHING ELSE is PREPOSTEROUS anyway, assuming you are not an expat, ie somebody who thinks of his stay as only temporary

for somebody who claims to live in America not to get THIS beggars belief

as for ethnic Turks born in Germany: LUCKY THEM for being able to get a German passport

BILLIONS of people in the world would like to be in their shoes

our friend Bernd has an English and Hungarian passport, he tells us

imagine how many pots of Goulasch he would cook for blut and anglo, if they could get him a German passport

think about it

fenerliyim wrote:Terim never actually went in person to get Ozil. Our NT manager has a bit of an ego problem. He pretty much believes in his nickname 'The Emperor' .

He's only spoken by phone from wat i know. Anyway having him would be pretty nice but we're pretty stacked in the midfield area anyway.

Wat we need are decent defenders and Germany took Serdar Tasci(Stuttgart) too. :pissedoff:

Dont listen to the Germans on here, the rest of us know they are in the wrong...as always.

The obsession of the German nation to get international recognition through football knows no limits, they have stolen three world cups already and it is still not enough!

Diving, fixing draws, stealing players from other countries etc. This list is endless!

IMO the rest of world should protect Germany against herself, make some sort of global statement like: '' We will respect you someday, but not like this''

Dont be sad about Turkey though, they may take your players, but they will never take your freedom!

Wahre G.

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fenerliyim wrote:Terim never actually went in person to get Ozil. Our NT manager has a bit of an ego problem. He pretty much believes in his nickname 'The Emperor' .

He's only spoken by phone from wat i know. Anyway having him would be pretty nice but we're pretty stacked in the midfield area anyway.

Wat we need are decent defenders and Germany took Serdar Tasci(Stuttgart) too. :pissedoff:

Dont listen to the Germans on here, the rest of us know they are in the wrong...as always.

The obsession of the German nation to get international recognition through football knows no limits, they have stolen three world cups already and it is still not enough!

Diving, fixing draws, stealing players from other countries etc. This list is endless!

IMO the rest of world should protect Germany against herself, make some sort of global statement like: '' We will respect you someday, but not like this''

Dont be sad about Turkey though, they may take your players, but they will never take your freedom!

Wahre G. [/quote


MMhhhh, you're not of with the feyries by any chance?

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:fenerliyim is off his trolley

he should apologise to the great German people

Özil and Tasci CHOSE to play for Germany

they WANTED to play for Germany, because they feel more like German FOOTBALLERS/citizens than Turkish ones (amongst other reasons)

the VAST majority of German born ethnic Turkish "German " footballers have opted for the Turkish option though, including the Alintop brothers, Sahin, Bastürk and MANY others

to say that ethnic Turks feel obligated to opt for German citizenship because they would otherwise have disadvantages is PREPOSTEROUS

we have LOST so many German-born East-Europeans, for instance, I have lost count (Klasnic, the SUPERBERB "Bavarian" Misimovic...)

and EVEN IF players felt a certain pressure to take on German citizenship because it facilitates certain things whilst living in Germany or the EU: well, BRILLIANT

it means there is an INCENTIVE to take on citizenship of the country you live in and have been born it

ANYTHING ELSE is PREPOSTEROUS anyway, assuming you are not an expat, ie somebody who thinks of his stay as only temporary

for somebody who claims to live in America not to get THIS beggars belief

as for ethnic Turks born in Germany: LUCKY THEM for being able to get a German passport

BILLIONS of people in the world would like to be in their shoes

our friend Bernd has an English and Hungarian passport, he tells us

imagine how many pots of Goulasch he would cook for blut and anglo, if they could get him a German passport

think about it

You almost sound American in your blind, dare I say it, ARROGANT assertiveness.

And no, I'm okay thanks, I really don't need to give up both my Hungarian and British passports in order to become solely a German citizen.

As our Yank cousins would say: This aspect of Germany really does SUCK : not being able to hold duel citizenship explains raving Patriotic LUNATICS such as our dear Otto, who can no longer see the wood from the tall erect Germans