World Cup Debate: Can England Win The World Cup?

Özil wrote:you really think your biggest problem is the goalkeeper

i think you have a far bigger problem in midfield

hargreaves, your best player, will not be there

you dont have a great central midfielder
fatty und gerrard only work behind the strikers with limited wide shoots

you can dominate your easy group, and dominate in friendlys, but your midfield is a waste of space compared to others

not balanced, no brain, only hoofers

How did you find out Hargreaves rejected the chance to go to a world cup next year to go on his summer holidays to Ibiza Ozil


Gerrard does indeed only offer limited wide shoots

COTR #6 wrote:

Özil wrote:you really think your biggest problem is the goalkeeper

i think you have a far bigger problem in midfield

hargreaves, your best player, will not be there

you dont have a great central midfielder
fatty und gerrard only work behind the strikers with limited wide shoots

you can dominate your easy group, and dominate in friendlys, but your midfield is a waste of space compared to others

not balanced, no brain, only hoofers

How did you find out Hargreaves rejected the chance to go to a world cup next year to go on his summer holidays to Ibiza Ozil


Gerrard does indeed only offer limited wide shoots

Psst - do you think he also realises that England's "easy" group includes the same team that beat Germany comfortably in Euro 2008 group stage?

Spider Crouch wrote:

Özil wrote:you really think your biggest problem is the goalkeeper

i think you have a far bigger problem in midfield

hargreaves, your best player, will not be there

you dont have a great central midfielder
fatty und gerrard only work behind the strikers with limited wide shoots

you can dominate your easy group, and dominate in friendlys, but your midfield is a waste of space compared to others

not balanced, no brain, only hoofers

Thanks for your opinion.



However, you think Ballack is the best midfielder in the World.

You also clearly aren't aware that Fatty und Gerrard are not playing midfield.

Barry and Lampard are, with Gerrard on the left.

So don't call me, I'll call you.

Think about it,

and have a nice day

They can, but they probably won't.

Spider Crouch wrote:Yeah probably.

Whilst Germany will no doubt make a film about how they stumbled their way to the latter stages, relying on a mixture of penalties and riding the crest of the easiest draw in history, before inevitably falling short when up against a country whose national sport is football and not karaoke.

Awww, frustrated much?

Spider Crouch wrote:13 years and counting. So stop swinging your dick

I don't even have one.

Lesley wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:Yeah probably.

Whilst Germany will no doubt make a film about how they stumbled their way to the latter stages, relying on a mixture of penalties and riding the crest of the easiest draw in history, before inevitably falling short when up against a country whose national sport is football and not karaoke.

Awww, frustrated much?

Spider Crouch wrote:13 years and counting. So stop swinging your dick

I don't even have one.

Forgive me frauline. Words like "dick" should not be used around ladies of good breeding. I thought you were a Herr, as in "Lesley Grantham".

Saying that, you should leave the football to the MEN. We know what we're talking about

Spider Crouch wrote:Forgive me frauline.

No problem.

Spider Crouch wrote:Saying that, you should leave the football to the MEN. We know what we're talking about

Yeah, that's what YOU think.

Once that question is enthusiastically answered by the English media, usually a month or two ahead of the tournament, provided the nation's metatarsal is intact, it's basically over. Cue tears, scapegoats, witchhunts, "international football sucks anyway", token loser becoming a hero etc. etc.

Groundhog day.

blutgraetsche wrote:Once that question is enthusiastically answered by the English media, usually a month or two ahead of the tournament, provided the nation's metatarsal is intact, it's basically over. Cue tears, scapegoats, witchhunts, "international football sucks anyway", token loser becoming a hero etc. etc.

Groundhog day.

It's almost as predictable as this post Blut

If someone poisons both Brazil & Spain before the tournament, it's wide open.

COTR #6 wrote:


It's almost as predictable as this post Blut

I know I will write the same in 2014. It's Groundhog Day for all of us.

MadVillain wrote:If someone poisons both Brazil, Germany & Spain before the tournament, it's wide open.

Dunno if England will win the world cup but they can go far for sure. Capello was the coach they needed and now they look very dangerous.

Must say, this could be England's best shot in a while... a lot of traditional superpowers are going through a terrible phase. This is by far the worst Italy team I have ever seen. Argentina have a coach who has no clue about anything, leading them to disaster. Germany just don't ve the talents of the caliber they used to have, clearly in a rebuild phase. France are shite coz of a shite coach.

So that just leaves Brasil and Spain, and there will be upsets. It is possible that the nest world champion doesn't have to play either of these two teams. It will be sad if it happens, but it does mean that this is probably the most wide open world cup ever.... not for the best reasons, but it is open.

I also think this is africa/asia's best chance to win a world cup.

On Football Manager, the 2010 World Cup was won by Mexico because of the reasons Blue's stated above. Mental.

Ballack wrote:On Football Manager, the 2010 World Cup was won by Mexico because of the reasons Blue's stated above. Mental.

The same scenarios occur in the build up to every international tournament, it would actually be beneficial from England's point of view to have to face 7 good sides rather than 5 mediocre sides and 2 sides that can outplay them. Having said that it's rare for a side to win easily in modern day football, only one World Cup or European Championship since 1988 has been won by a side that didn't have to go to extra time at least once in the knock out stages and most of those sides had to win on penalties at least once.

England have failed to get out of the group stage twice since 1988, lost in extra time 5 times and gone out in normal time once to Brazil in 2002, who happen to be the only side since 1988 who has won either tourmanet without going to extra time. They can be outplayed by a great side, other than that it'll be the same old story were they'll have chances to win in a tight contest and probably end up going out. CL experience in the last couple of years should help somewhat given how many times they've won ugly recently, but other that I'm no more confident than usual.

Dwarf wrote:

Ballack wrote:On Football Manager, the 2010 World Cup was won by Mexico because of the reasons Blue's stated above. Mental.

The same scenarios occur in the build up to every international tournament, it would actually be beneficial from England's point of view to have to face 7 good sides rather than 5 mediocre sides and 2 sides that can outplay them. Having said that it's rare for a side to win easily in modern day football, only one World Cup or European Championship since 1988 has been won by a side that didn't have to go to extra time at least once in the knock out stages and most of those sides had to win on penalties at least once.

England have failed to get out of the group stage twice since 1988, lost in extra time 5 times and gone out in normal time once to Brazil in 2002, who happen to be the only side since 1988 who has won either tourmanet without going to extra time. They can be outplayed by a great side, other than that it'll be the same old story were they'll have chances to win in a tight contest and probably end up going out. CL experience in the last couple of years should help somewhat given how many times they've won ugly recently, but other that I'm no more confident than usual.

Let's look at what our record would have been like had we won all our pen shoot outs since 1990 (and then assuming we lost in the next game):

1990 - World Cup final

1996 - European Championship final

1998 - WC quarter final

2004 - EC Semi final

2006 - WC Semi final

The importance of breaking our penalty hoo doo is imperative really.

The likes of Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney have been taking important penalties for their clubs in recent years, with excellent success percentages.

I'm confident that WC2010 can be the year we break the penalty shootout stigma and with our strong record of keeping it tight (England have not lost a competitive game at a World Cup or European Championship by more than 1 goal since losing 2-0 to Sweden in 1992. Impressive when you consider the Germans for example have lost 3-0 to Croatia in 1998, 3-0 to Portugal in 2000 and 2-0 to Brazil in 2002 in the same period), we could, maybe just maybe, get past the quarter finals for the first time since 1990

Still no.

GK still a problem.

Defence still not enough footballing ability.

The centre of midfield is gash.


Forwards and in between midfield and forward looks cool though.

Fuck it - why not:


Gerrard...Carrick...Barry

..............Rooney...........

.......Defoe..........Coal....

Lets just go for it !

Spider Crouch wrote:

Let's look at what our record would have been like had we won all our pen shoot outs since 1990 (and then assuming we lost in the next game):

1990 - World Cup final

1996 - European Championship final

1998 - WC quarter final

2004 - EC Semi final

2006 - WC Semi final

The importance of breaking our penalty hoo doo is imperative really.

I like that game !

Holland :

1992 => EC Final
1996 => EC Semi Final
1998 => WC Final
2000 => EC Final

Spider Crouch wrote:

Dwarf wrote:

Ballack wrote:On Football Manager, the 2010 World Cup was won by Mexico because of the reasons Blue's stated above. Mental.

The same scenarios occur in the build up to every international tournament, it would actually be beneficial from England's point of view to have to face 7 good sides rather than 5 mediocre sides and 2 sides that can outplay them. Having said that it's rare for a side to win easily in modern day football, only one World Cup or European Championship since 1988 has been won by a side that didn't have to go to extra time at least once in the knock out stages and most of those sides had to win on penalties at least once.

England have failed to get out of the group stage twice since 1988, lost in extra time 5 times and gone out in normal time once to Brazil in 2002, who happen to be the only side since 1988 who has won either tourmanet without going to extra time. They can be outplayed by a great side, other than that it'll be the same old story were they'll have chances to win in a tight contest and probably end up going out. CL experience in the last couple of years should help somewhat given how many times they've won ugly recently, but other that I'm no more confident than usual.

Let's look at what our record would have been like had we won all our pen shoot outs since 1990 (and then assuming we lost in the next game):

1990 - World Cup final

1996 - European Championship final

1998 - WC quarter final

2004 - EC Semi final

2006 - WC Semi final

The importance of breaking our penalty hoo doo is imperative really.

The likes of Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney have been taking important penalties for their clubs in recent years, with excellent success percentages.

I'm confident that WC2010 can be the year we break the penalty shootout stigma and with our strong record of keeping it tight (England have not lost a competitive game at a World Cup or European Championship by more than 1 goal since losing 2-0 to Sweden in 1992. Impressive when you consider the Germans for example have lost 3-0 to Croatia in 1998, 3-0 to Portugal in 2000 and 2-0 to Brazil in 2002 in the same period), we could, maybe just maybe, get past the quarter finals for the first time since 1990

yeah if and when HITLER where not born we would still be a country with austria

Özil wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:

Dwarf wrote:

Ballack wrote:On Football Manager, the 2010 World Cup was won by Mexico because of the reasons Blue's stated above. Mental.

The same scenarios occur in the build up to every international tournament, it would actually be beneficial from England's point of view to have to face 7 good sides rather than 5 mediocre sides and 2 sides that can outplay them. Having said that it's rare for a side to win easily in modern day football, only one World Cup or European Championship since 1988 has been won by a side that didn't have to go to extra time at least once in the knock out stages and most of those sides had to win on penalties at least once.

England have failed to get out of the group stage twice since 1988, lost in extra time 5 times and gone out in normal time once to Brazil in 2002, who happen to be the only side since 1988 who has won either tourmanet without going to extra time. They can be outplayed by a great side, other than that it'll be the same old story were they'll have chances to win in a tight contest and probably end up going out. CL experience in the last couple of years should help somewhat given how many times they've won ugly recently, but other that I'm no more confident than usual.

Let's look at what our record would have been like had we won all our pen shoot outs since 1990 (and then assuming we lost in the next game):

1990 - World Cup final

1996 - European Championship final

1998 - WC quarter final

2004 - EC Semi final

2006 - WC Semi final

The importance of breaking our penalty hoo doo is imperative really.

The likes of Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney have been taking important penalties for their clubs in recent years, with excellent success percentages.

I'm confident that WC2010 can be the year we break the penalty shootout stigma and with our strong record of keeping it tight (England have not lost a competitive game at a World Cup or European Championship by more than 1 goal since losing 2-0 to Sweden in 1992. Impressive when you consider the Germans for example have lost 3-0 to Croatia in 1998, 3-0 to Portugal in 2000 and 2-0 to Brazil in 2002 in the same period), we could, maybe just maybe, get past the quarter finals for the first time since 1990

yeah if and when HITLER where not born we would still be a country with austria

That has got to be the most leftfield analogy I've ever heard.

No idea what on earth it means.

Jain (great German word), yes & no

Yes, the team is capable of winning it & the conditions will be favourable (see my new thread).

No, there are too many players, who are likely to be send off. Too many overinflated ego's, who get pampered too much by EPL refs. The best thing that can happen to England is having a few of them send off in this season's CL. (would be good for a few Dutchies too)

This is England's best shot in ages, they are much better now then in 2006! But what is even better is that most rival teams are even worse! Italy and France are still full of lollz and Portugal and Argentina might not even qualify!

Yeah they have a poor goalie, but fuck it. France won stuff with Barthez and Guivarc'h on the pitch!

This is of course also Hollands best shot in 10 year!

It's about peaking at the right time. Many teams have peaked at the wrong time and didn't win anything, despite looking like huge favourites prior to the tournament. Others were totally disappointing in the qualification and won the title.

That's why it's impossible to say how things will look like in a year.

Well, almost...

can England win it ?

NEIN

Brazil, Germany, Italy and S Africa CAN

(an no, Spain cannot either)

You want to inflict the famous Otto kiss of death upon your beloved Germany

That's inevitable COTR. We always have to win in spite of Otto's kiss of death.

COTR #6 wrote:You want to inflict the famous Otto kiss of death upon your beloved Germany

Brazil under Bundesliga+ethnic-German-Dunga are THE team to beat

Italy , Germany and Co all seem to be struggling but WILL come good

still, Deutschland under Löw are like a car without wheels

to go far they have to do what Vettel is doing with his Red Bull

"drive beyond its capabilities"

stranger things have happened

also watch out for Ghana

wahre G

if Italy and S Africa (Ghana) fuck it up, it will be Brazil vs Germany in the Final though (despite Löw being in charge)

Holland, England, Spain, Argentina, France and Co have ZERO chance of winning the god damn trophy

think about it

ZERO

You would have thought our dear Otto would have resisted making any more predictions after a series of corkers over the last 4 years.

Torres was to be a flop at Liverpool

Germany were to be WC winners 2006

Rooney was to be washed up at the age of 21

Podolski/Kuranyi/Klose/Gomes was to be the hottest striker in World Football

Roma were to knock out Manchester United at OT (they lost 7-1)

Munich were to knock out Milan (they lost 4-0)

Hamilton was to be the new Button

Kaymer was to become the best golfer in Europe

and so on.

The one prediction he DID get correct was South Africa to win the Rugby World Cup in 2007, but the moral of that story is that even the ugly guy will eventually get to buy a girl a drink so long as he asks enough times