African Cup of Nations

Super Solari wrote:

The Professor wrote:

Super Solari wrote:.

I don't understand why they can't produce playmakers at the top level. Dribblers have never been a problem but players with the ability to make those throughpasses at the top level are scarce.

That is true for most parts of the world.

How many have u got at Madrid? And mind u u can buy almost any player around.

Kaka can play the simple ones when he's got space, but modern forwards can do most of that these days.

How many do Liverpool, Inter, Chelsea etc have?

Super Solari wrote:.One thing I would love to see is for more dutch coaches or at least coaches with a similar style(Russia aswell). I think somebody like Hiddink would do wonders with an african team. Anybody know why easteuropean coaches have been at a plenty in Africa?

Probably because they are cheaper.

Agreed i'd like to see someone like Hiddink coach a top African team(Ivory coast for example).

Im well aware of the dearth of these players at the top level. What im wondering is where are the great passers? I mean I don't think this is a new thing. As far back(admittedly not that long) as I can remember I don't recall many african playmakers or just great passers of the ball.

I know what u mean.

I don't think Africa produce predominantly passers of the ball. Mikel could have developed into something resembling that but he's going no where at present.

Abedi Pele was the best African no 10(creative forward) i have seen. He was an amazing dribbler, far much smarter than Okocha with the choice of his passing too. I think we usually see lesser versions of him from Africa.

That, and strong, skilful box to box midfielders with decent vision to put attackers through on goal.

Antarion wrote:Still, by watching this competition so far, it seems only Egypt would do well at the world cup. Sadly, they are the ones missing...

Aren't u all jumping into conclusions too soon?

Ivory Coast could still go on to win this tournament, ditto Cameroon, Ghana(who haven't even played yet).

Anyway, I have seen teams do well in this tournament but do fuck all at the world cup and vice versa.

@ Lrdd

Yeah good point about Ghana missing Essien and Muntari, but they played against Brazil without Essien in the round of 16 and actually played very well(failure to execute the offside trap aside).

Cameroon failed to get out of the group stages in 1990 but were fucking amazing at the world cup few months later.

I wouldn't jump into conclusions just yet.

Tunisia no.8

The Santa Stalker wrote:Tunisia no.8

The reason why Africans arent great playmakers is simple. Africans are instinctive people, hence they are better at dribbling then at passing. To be good in playmaking one must be able to think two steps ahead. Africans dont plan anything at all, its their nature. They just do. Hence that continent is, was, and will always be a mess.

A bit racist? perhaps..the truth..certainly!

Disappointing from Cameroon last night...they showed some glimpses of brilliance but it seemed to me like the players had never trained or played together before. Perhaps paying the price for starting their training camp so late? (almost a week after the other teams IIRC).

The forwards didn't link up well enough together, they were too careless with the ball. The defense never had any shape and was all over the place, with several individual mistakes, and this was what ultimately cost them the game.

Alex Song was very good IMO. Pierre's boy Tchoyi also looked dangerous but I thought he was a central player? If so, putting him on the right was a waste.

The Professor wrote:

Antarion wrote:Still, by watching this competition so far, it seems only Egypt would do well at the world cup. Sadly, they are the ones missing...

Aren't u all jumping into conclusions too soon?

Ivory Coast could still go on to win this tournament, ditto Cameroon, Ghana(who haven't even played yet).

Anyway, I have seen teams do well in this tournament but do fuck all at the world cup and vice versa.

Thats why I said "so far" and thats definately true. Of course Ivory Coast and Cameroon can turn up and I expect much from Ghana. But all those teams can't break 10 men behind the ball strategies it seems.
Cameroon would have won if they scored first.

The Professor wrote:Yeah good point about Ghana missing Essien and Muntari, but they played against Brazil without Essien in the round of 16 and actually played very well(failure to execute the offside trap aside).

Ghana executed the offside trap just fine.

The linesman somehow failed to notice that for Adriano's goal he was never actually onside.

Fey wrote:The reason why Africans arent great playmakers is simple. Africans are instinctive people, hence they are better at dribbling then at passing. To be good in playmaking one must be able to think two steps ahead. Africans dont plan anything at all, its their nature. They just do. Hence that continent is, was, and will always be a mess.

A bit racist? perhaps..the truth..certainly!

Where is the heated mass debate on this?

Allez les rouges wrote:

Fey wrote:The reason why Africans arent great playmakers is simple. Africans are instinctive people, hence they are better at dribbling then at passing. To be good in playmaking one must be able to think two steps ahead. Africans dont plan anything at all, its their nature. They just do. Hence that continent is, was, and will always be a mess.

A bit racist? perhaps..the truth..certainly!

Where is the heated mass debate on this?

I think Fey is more than a bit racist but what can we do about it?

kas wrote:Disappointing from Cameroon last night...they showed some glimpses of brilliance but it seemed to me like the players had never trained or played together before. Perhaps paying the price for starting their training camp so late? (almost a week after the other teams IIRC).

The forwards didn't link up well enough together, they were too careless with the ball. The defense never had any shape and was all over the place, with several individual mistakes, and this was what ultimately cost them the game.

Alex Song was very good IMO. Pierre's boy Tchoyi also looked dangerous but I thought he was a central player? If so, putting him on the right was a waste.

The coached wasted their two most creative players by butting them on the wings Tchoyi and Emana.

Its a case of does the coach find a system to fit his players and does he try and fit the players in his system.

for Cameroon i think it needs to be the former, Emana needs to be playing behind the strikers, thats where he does is best work.

kas wrote:Alex Song was very good IMO.

I wouldn't say 'very good', but he was the only Cameroon midfielder who could pass through Gabon.

Pierre's boy Tchoyi also looked dangerous but I thought he was a central player? If so, putting him on the right was a waste.

Very true.


I don't think Cameroon can complain about too much - for all Gabon did score early and then defend deep and in numbers for most of the rest of the game, Cameroon did nothing with their set pieces and apart from the odd pass from Song or run from Emana they didn't create much. Eto'o looked pretty shit, particularly by his standards.

I expect Ghana to impress today.

Fey wrote:The reason why Africans arent great playmakers is simple. Africans are instinctive people, hence they are better at dribbling then at passing. To be good in playmaking one must be able to think two steps ahead. Africans dont plan anything at all, its their nature. They just do. Hence that continent is, was, and will always be a mess.

A bit racist? perhaps..the truth..certainly!

Good argument to suit the way u think Fey

Could u also explain to me why Africa never produce goal poachers? African forwards/strikers all seem to be all rounders.

What about wingers who only specialise on crossing the ball for example? Again, i have not seen one from Africa.

Oh and what about great keepers? thomas nkono was the best, but Africa never produce great keepers. Is it because they can't jump(which makes it difficult for them to dominate their area)? or has it got anything to do with their reflex?

The Professor wrote:Oh and what about great keepers? thomas nkono was the best, but Africa never produce great keepers. Is it because they can't jump(which makes it difficult for them to dominate their area)? or has it got anything to do with their reflex?

It's because blacks are lazy.

If football was water based, Africa would be well a truly fucked

In all seriousness though, was Okotcha not a playmaker? African's are naturally stong and atheltic so players will naturally develop into that sort of player whereas Argentine's and Spanish are naturally atheltic and are generally midget-like and there is therefore more of an onus placed on their ball manipulation.

Its the same with sex. Black men generally don't like giving oral sex...but tehy don't need to because they have massiv schlongs!

Asians in comparison are probably amazing at oral sex.

You are obsessed with black guys having big dicks and asians having small dicks. You bring it up literally about once a month.

Bubbles wrote:You are obsessed with black guys having big dicks and asians having small dicks. You bring it up literally about once a month.

I wouldn't say I'm obsessed. Its interesting how two different races could have evolved to have such a noticeable diffference though

What is persian dick like Tweedle?

Kimbo wrote:What is persian dick like Tweedle?

I imagine that it tastes like a million pounds kimmy

Bring back the sigs

He didn't ask how it tastes. Funny that.

Of the four games i watched so far, this is the most exciting.

Angola is always up for entertainment it seems. They play good though.

Eboue

Ivory Coast 3-1 Ghana

Romford Pele wrote:Eboue

A straight red too they might as well send him home.

Tweesus wrote:
Its the same with sex. Black men generally don't like giving oral sex...but tehy don't need to because they have massiv schlongs!

Asians in comparison are probably amazing at oral sex.

I would have thought that's more to do with their culture(s) telling them that its very unhygenic/dirty to perform such an act, no ?

Africa produce less playmakers because in football, as in life, the best skills are developed out of necessity not out of want.

Africans are, on average, far more suited to the physical side of football than Europeans.

If you are a great athlete, how much footballing ability do you need to be a pro ?

Not as much as Xabi Alonso, Pirlo, Ledesma and Riqulme need (all slow and/or small).

Eating pussy is good for your immune system.

A massive schlong doesn't make up for lack of ability

De Guzman wrote:Eating pussy is good for your immune system.

Seriously?

Of course eating food which has fallen on the ground too. basically, you need to train your immune system. People who are obsessed with hygiene often get sick earlier because they have a weaker immune system.

You also see it on holiday when some people do not trust the water in a country & only drink bottled water ( I always drink from the tap), those people always get sick becuase they eat a salad which has been washed with the same tap water.