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    Who would get the Tangerines in the EPL

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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:46 pm

    Blackpool have overachieved in most people's eyes this season and find themselves on the brink of securing a play-off spot.

    Holloway has really got the best out of them - Charlie Adam was a great signing.


    Anyway, the question:

    Which of the following scenario's would give Blackpool the best chance of promotion if they were starting a season from scratch:

    a) They keep Holloway and the playing staff and add Lionel Messi to the team

    b) They keep the same players as they have now but replace Holloway with Jose Mourinho.


    As I said, some will know why I'm asking but just vote as to whose arrival would give them the best chance of promotion in your opinion
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    Post by Kimbo Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:19 pm

    The manager is always more important than any individual player.
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    Post by debaser Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:01 pm

    Messi. If Holloway's good enough to get them to play-offs, I'd saying having one of the best players in the world would give them more edge than a better manager.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:48 pm

    d) NEITHER
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    Post by TM Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:52 pm

    C) Sign Royston Drenthe and appoint him as player/manager Ale
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:50 am

    Blackpool don't have the biggest pockets in league 1, nor a blank chequebook, so Messi is of more use to them Ale


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    Post by debaser Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:59 am

    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:Blavkpool don't have the biggest pockets in league 1, nor a blank chequebook, so Messi is of more use to them Ale

    They're in the championship. And could be in the Premier league next season ok
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:00 am

    debaser wrote:
    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:Blavkpool don't have the biggest pockets in league 1, nor a blank chequebook, so Messi is of more use to them Ale

    They're in the championship. And could be in the Premier league next season ok

    Sorry. still very tired.
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    Post by Batman Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:12 am

    Messi

    Having a player like Messi in the time would bring in extra revenue:

    Shirt sales
    Sold out games
    Games picked for tv
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:23 am

    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:
    debaser wrote:
    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:Blavkpool don't have the biggest pockets in league 1, nor a blank chequebook, so Messi is of more use to them Ale

    They're in the championship. And could be in the Premier league next season ok

    Sorry. still very tired stupid.

    TFIFY

    if Wanger wants to put his monkey where his mouth is he should take over Blackpool and find out what it's really like to run a club on a budget, rather than run a club that spends little on transfer fees but has one of the highest wage bills in the history of English football.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:16 pm

    Thank fuck I fancy you?
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    Post by Aristoskank Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:51 pm

    Royston Glennthe wrote:if Wanger wants to put his monkey where his mouth is he should take over Blackpool and find out what it's really like to run a club on a budget, rather than run a club that spends little on transfer fees but has one of the highest wage bills in the history of English football.

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    Post by fcb Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:12 pm

    On that note:


    Revealed: The £3m And Record Pay Deal Arsenal Gave Cesc Fabregas To Keep Him Away From Barcelona

    Gunners skipper is highest paid player in club's history

    By Wayne Veysey
    Apr 26, 2010 9:11:00 AM

    Arsenal handed Cesc Fabregas an unprecedented £3 million ‘golden handcuffs’ payment and upped his wages by nearly 50 per cent to £110,000-a-week to keep him at the club, Goal.com UK can reveal today.

    The incredible package, which is believed to have been formalised last summer after lengthy negotiations, was agreed to compensate the Spaniard for his relatively ‘below-par’ salary.

    It made Fabregas the highest-paid player in Arsenal’s history and has given the club hope that he will once again ignore advances from the Continent this summer and stay at Emirates Stadium.

    In 2006, Fabregas signed an eight-year contract, which was worth an initial £60,000-per-week with annual increments built in.

    But the player and his agent Darren Dein began talks in 2008 to renegotiate the terms of the deal with the club to reflect his growing status as one of the finest young players in the world.

    Goal.com UK understands that the board were so desperate to hang on to the player they signed from Barcelona at 16 that they finally sanctioned an unprecedented deal to not only increase his salary from £80,000-per-week to £110,000-a-week but also back-date his pay for two years to compensate him for being underpaid over that period compared to other elite Premier League players.

    The result was the player received a one-off sum, equivalent to a signing-on-fee, of around £3m, which was effectively £1.5m, or £30,000-a-week, for each of those two years.

    “Arsenal were so desperate to keep him,” said a boardroom source. “He has become the club’s talisman and the figurehead for the new generation. His status is similar to what Thierry Henry’s once was.

    “Fabregas and his advisers know they have the club over both barrels.”

    Henry was also represented by Dein when he struck a similarly hard bargain as he contemplated whether to move to Barcelona in 2006. The switch was finally completed 14 months later.

    The former Arsenal striker was paid the equivalent of £200,000-a-week during his final season in north London, when Dein was in charge of contract negotiations.

    Henry received a £5m signing-on fee when he put pen to paper on the four-year deal, which was topped up by a £5m salary.


    Although there was anger among some of the directors that the signing-on fee had not been spread out over the entirety of the contract, it appears that the board have been forced into a similarly tight corner with Fabregas.

    Nevertheless, Arsenal are confident that the secret deal will help ward off predators, principally Barcelona, this summer.

    It has taken the player near to the top of Europe’s high-pay league and has made him comfortably the highest earner at the club, above manager Arsene Wenger, William Gallas and Andrey Arshavin.

    “Arsenal have been loyal to Fabregas and believe he will be loyal to them,” added the insider. “They know he can earn equally good money, if not better, elsewhere but there are two things in Arsenal’s favour.

    “Fabregas is in awe of Arsene Wenger because he feels he owes his career to him and he is also a pragmatic man. He knows that he is young and Barcelona can wait.”

    Although Arsenal’s transfer spending has been constrained by the construction of Emirates Stadium, that has not stopped them sanctioning big wage hikes for many of their players.

    Seventeen players have been given improved contracts this season and the wage bill is believed to have increased to £115m, the third highest in the Premier League.

    I know it's just goal.com, but sounds a bit more plausible then their usual garbage.
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    Post by Aristoskank Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:14 pm

    The Guardian reported the other day that it was £120 million per annum, as did the BBC in a piece they did on Wenger after the last game.

    So it isn't 'just goal.com'. It's almost definitely true.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:45 pm

    Though as discussed the other day, mainstream news media is largely terrible and I get most of my information from independent outlets.

    Although when it comes to knocking Arsenal anything will do, even goal.com. ok
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    Post by Allez les rouges Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:14 pm

    I hope you're braced for the abusive backlash Cesc (I don't mean from Kas in particular) Ale
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    Post by Aristoskank Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:17 pm

    Cesc Soler wrote:
    Though as discussed the other day, mainstream news media is largely terrible and I get most of my information from independent outlets.

    Although when it comes to knocking Arsenal anything will do, even goal.com. ok

    Now the voyeur's climbed out of the wanking tree to offer his two cents.

    Listen, fucknuts, it was kas who posted a story from goal.com, not me. I posted the Guardian story a few days ago making the same irrefutable point that given their wage bill it's horseshit for Arsenal to talk about 'working to a budget'. The Guardian were quoting the figure from Arsenal's accounts, which I imagine even the Guardian couldn't get wrong. Mainstream news is mostly terrible, but facts are facts, and even the mainstream news gets them right some of the time.

    But rather than deal with this issue of Arsenal's frankly ludicrous wage bill you'd rather try to attack me and make out I'm some sort of contrarian or hypocrite. I brought up these figures days ago and the only response from an Arsenal fan so far has been you, the voyeur, coming down of your perch to try to insult me.

    It's this sort of behaviour that leads me to conclude that all Arsenal fans are c**ts. If you want me to stop saying that then stop being c**ts.
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    Post by Allez les rouges Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:22 pm

    lol!
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:32 pm

    The reason I asked was an article by Patrick Barclay.

    He was saying that a manager is more important than any one player.

    I half agree/half disagree with that but I was more concerned by the example he used - I think its a complete no brainer that Messi would give Blackpool a better chance of promotion and most of my work colleagues agreed.

    Was just interested as to what people on here thought <Ale>
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    Post by Kimbo Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:35 pm

    Well this season Messi might have a bigger impact, but Blackpool could easily be one-season wonders and drop down the other end of the table next year, and then we'll see how much of an impact Messi has when his team is conceding 2/3 goals every game and he is only seeing the ball in his own half. <Ale>
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:50 pm

    how come Arsenal fans are happy for Fabregas to be paid £3m a week but if Adebeyor dares to so much as ask for a 2nd helping of porridge hes booed out of the club?

    Racism?
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    Post by Allez les rouges Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:46 pm

    Ade walked past a pub in Kilburn with some of his mates when I was watching the chavs v Stoke game last Sunday, a very surreal moment indeed Erm
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    Post by Isco Benny Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:51 pm

    Allez les rouges wrote:Ade walked past a pub in Kilburn with some of his mates when I was watching the chavs v Stoke game last Sunday, a very surreal moment indeed Erm

    What were you doing in Kilburn? GRIM drunken
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    Post by Allez les rouges Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:59 pm

    One of my best mates (fellow Gunner) 'as just moved there innit.

    I love the way you ask "what the fuck was I doing there" rather than what Ade was doing there Hug
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    Post by Isco Benny Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:27 pm

    Allez les rouges wrote:One of my best mates (fellow Gunner) 'as just moved there innit.

    I love the way you ask "what the fuck was I doing there" rather than what Ade was doing there Hug

    Kilburn is the armpit of North West London. Far too skanky for a refined multilingual fellow such as yourself I would suggest.

    I hope you offered to remind Ade that his father partakes in the bathing of large tusked mammals and his mother is self employed as a late night entertainer of discerning gentlemen. If not, shame of you for missing the opportunity to assist him Ale
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:34 pm

    I was in Kilburn last friday! the Westbury Ale

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