integration: should players sing national anthems

Noah and the Bale wrote:

What if you had migrated to the UK for good for work, and you had children who were then forced to make a choice when they reached the age of 23? Obviously for integration purposes into their new country, it would make sense to take on British citizenship yes? But only at the expense of giving up German citizenship.

L r dd wrote:That's the problem when you have idiots who blast people who just speak the truth. I tell you Someone shouldn't play for a certain country and i am racist or stupid but this is the result. Balotelli should never play for Italy. Kalou for Holland would have been a disgrace. Cacau for Germany is also a joke. NK show that progressive thinking on certain issues is actually bullshit.

mongrel hawk wrote:by the way, I don't know one single son/daughter or grandson/granddaughter of an immigrant in Brazil that would support his/her ancestor's nation over Brazil, even the japs and koreans.

they all feel brazilian. some of them have their ancestors' nation as a second team, but that's all.

by what I read here, there are many immigrants in Europe who would support their ancestors' nation over their own nation.

Fey wrote:...
Did you know that here having an immigrant as neighbour you house value drops 30%

kas wrote:
You and many others are still struggling to accept the effects of globalisation. There's no such thing as a "pure" nationality or culture of one country any more....or if there is, it's reducing drastically. The amount of migration and mixed-race/heritage/nationality is only going to increase, and we're going to see more and more borderline cases of players choosing to play for different countries.

It's difficult to draw up rules to tackle such cases, and you certainly have no right (or knowledge) to decide whether someone belongs to one culture or country or not. It's a grey area with many subjective factors...every player has to be dealt with on an individual case by case basis.

L r dd wrote:Nah he's English.

L r dd wrote:I'm not surprised the two indians are crying racist it's typical.

I haven't got time for people who don't know what they're talking about. The fact is it's destroying national football and it'll lose it's identity. Balotelli is not Italian. And these players should have no right to just decide they are a certain nationality because they can. Obviously they'll choose the better footballing nation. This isn't how it should work.

Not even one white player in the South African team this is racist.

bluenine wrote:

kas wrote:
You and many others are still struggling to accept the effects of globalisation. There's no such thing as a "pure" nationality or culture of one country any more....or if there is, it's reducing drastically. The amount of migration and mixed-race/heritage/nationality is only going to increase, and we're going to see more and more borderline cases of players choosing to play for different countries.

It's difficult to draw up rules to tackle such cases, and you certainly have no right (or knowledge) to decide whether someone belongs to one culture or country or not. It's a grey area with many subjective factors...every player has to be dealt with on an individual case by case basis.

I couldn't agree more.

I think statements like "Balotelli should not play for Italy" are primarily racist in nature, and this is the biggest threat that football is facing in Europe. And these racist fans are there in every country, be it Italy, England, or Spain.

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BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

L r dd wrote:Nah he's English.

Well you constantly tell me that i am English. But using your reasoning, i wouldn't be able to play for England.

L r dd wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

L r dd wrote:Nah he's English.

Well you constantly tell me that i am English. But using your reasoning, i wouldn't be able to play for England.

You hate and make insulting remarks about a country you live in and was in for presumably a long time if you cant see the problem with that then thats your problem.

kas wrote:

L r dd wrote:I'm not surprised the two indians are crying racist it's typical.

I haven't got time for people who don't know what they're talking about. The fact is it's destroying national football and it'll lose it's identity. Balotelli is not Italian. And these players should have no right to just decide they are a certain nationality because they can. Obviously they'll choose the better footballing nation. This isn't how it should work.

Not even one white player in the South African team this is racist.

You're going around making idiotic posts accusing people of being racist on anything and everything, it's not that (excuse the pun) black and white. If I disagree with you I'm not racist. If I agree with you I'm not 'un'-racist. That's not how it works.

What I'm trying to explain to you is that the idea of "identity" that you refer to is itself getting eroded. You say this swapping of nationalities is causing national football to lose its identity...what I'm saying is the old concept of "I belong to this country" is just not the same anymore. Identity is much more grey nowadays and varies a lot for people.

Your last sentence opens a whole new debate. How is it racist for there to be no white players in the South African team? It's picked on merit! Name me a deserving white footballer who should get in. What about France's team? What about South Africa's cricket team...there are no black players there.

Lusitan wrote:

Fey wrote:...
Did you know that here having an immigrant as neighbour you house value drops 30%

Ä wrote:

bluenine wrote:

kas wrote:
You and many others are still struggling to accept the effects of globalisation. There's no such thing as a "pure" nationality or culture of one country any more....or if there is, it's reducing drastically. The amount of migration and mixed-race/heritage/nationality is only going to increase, and we're going to see more and more borderline cases of players choosing to play for different countries.

It's difficult to draw up rules to tackle such cases, and you certainly have no right (or knowledge) to decide whether someone belongs to one culture or country or not. It's a grey area with many subjective factors...every player has to be dealt with on an individual case by case basis.

I couldn't agree more.

I think statements like "Balotelli should not play for Italy" are primarily racist in nature, and this is the biggest threat that football is facing in Europe. And these racist fans are there in every country, be it Italy, England, or Spain.

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if Balotelli was born in Italy and raised by Italians...

OF COURSE , he should be allowed to play for Italy

AS LONG AS HE IDENTIFIES with Italy

100%

if he went public saying that he FELT African..., he should not be surprised , if Italians COULD not warm to him

Lusitan wrote:Well, here it has nothing to do with race. It's more of a question of "do they feel Portuguese or not".

No one believes Deco does, everyone believes he has done it by pure self interest.

People were suspicious of Pepe, but he does have Portuguese ancestors and sings the "Portuguesa" louder than most. So i believe 90% consider him Portuguese.

Liedson is just that nice guy every one likes him so we dont mind having him arround.

How about that Swiss fellow who is cousin of Portuguese international player from Valencia, Manuel Fernandes (another good player with roots to Cabo-Verde)?

mongrel hawk wrote:and you can say the same thing about the muslims. there are thousands of muslims in São Paulo. The ones who were born here are also treated as Brazilians and feel Brazilian and supports Brazil.

L r dd wrote:

kas wrote:

L r dd wrote:I'm not surprised the two indians are crying racist it's typical.

I haven't got time for people who don't know what they're talking about. The fact is it's destroying national football and it'll lose it's identity. Balotelli is not Italian. And these players should have no right to just decide they are a certain nationality because they can. Obviously they'll choose the better footballing nation. This isn't how it should work.

Not even one white player in the South African team this is racist.

You're going around making idiotic posts accusing people of being racist on anything and everything, it's not that (excuse the pun) black and white. If I disagree with you I'm not racist. If I agree with you I'm not 'un'-racist. That's not how it works.

What I'm trying to explain to you is that the idea of "identity" that you refer to is itself getting eroded. You say this swapping of nationalities is causing national football to lose its identity...what I'm saying is the old concept of "I belong to this country" is just not the same anymore. Identity is much more grey nowadays and varies a lot for people.

Your last sentence opens a whole new debate. How is it racist for there to be no white players in the South African team? It's picked on merit! Name me a deserving white footballer who should get in. What about France's team? What about South Africa's cricket team...there are no black players there.

I am simply responding to Bluenine's ignorant way out. Anyone who doesn't think Balotelli should play for italy is racist. What a nonsense line. Your comments are idiotic kas. Not everybody has no real country to call themselves there's because they've moved around everywhere.

Get outta here with your 'progressive view' It's bullshit sorry that im telling you that. South Africa have no good black cricketers. But Pieterson left South Africa because he couldn't get in the team due to the race rules. Yet there's no white footballers where is the same rule. This is racism im sure there's more talented white players than the crap on show yesterday. Their cricket team is one of the best in the world so thats different. You are deliberatly being stupid kas.

Lusitan wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:and you can say the same thing about the muslims. there are thousands of muslims in São Paulo. The ones who were born here are also treated as Brazilians and feel Brazilian and supports Brazil.

What i think is a case-study is the fact you see no radical islamist in Brasil, nor are they trying to impose islam (or at least i've never heard of it).

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

L r dd wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

L r dd wrote:Nah he's English.

Well you constantly tell me that i am English. But using your reasoning, i wouldn't be able to play for England.

You hate and make insulting remarks about a country you live in and was in for presumably a long time if you cant see the problem with that then thats your problem.

That's avoiding the question lrd. I've caught you out. You're talking shit and you know it.

110% wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

L r dd wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

L r dd wrote:Nah he's English.

Well you constantly tell me that i am English. But using your reasoning, i wouldn't be able to play for England.

You hate and make insulting remarks about a country you live in and was in for presumably a long time if you cant see the problem with that then thats your problem.

That's avoiding the question lrd. I've caught you out. You're talking shit and you know it.

I think you have missed the ideal opportunity for some merkage. Your favourite player, manu and England captain Rio Ferdinand was born to a mixed Irish/English mother and a St Lucian father. He's more St Lucian than English else yet lrd has no problem with him choosing a country that is better at football abd being their captain

L r dd wrote:So born to an English mother in South London and totally English in his ways and you think he's St Lucian? This makes no sense.

L r dd wrote:So born to an English mother in South London and totally English in his ways and you think he's St Lucian? This makes no sense.