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    Post by Ä Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:51 pm

    QF stage

    who is most likely to go all the way ?

    for me

    1. Brazil
    2. Germany
    3. Spain
    4. Argentina
    5. Holland
    6: Ghana

    the truth is, that IF Germany beat Argentina

    they will have become UNBEATABLE and will go all the way

    if they lose against Argentina though, they are unlikely to win the Cup

    Ale

    Holland should be higher, but Brazil have the edge and will get rid of them

    the van Persie story is a bad omen Neutral

    IF Argentina BEAT Germany, they are my number one favourites though

    despite the Big 3 + Host rule

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    Post by blutgraetsche Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:53 pm

    How can you rank our 'ladyboys' that highly? Smells like hypocrisy!
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    Post by debaser Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:55 pm

    1. Brazil
    2. Spain
    3. Germany
    4. Argentina
    5. Netherlands
    6. Uruguay
    7. Ghana
    8. Paraguay
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    Post by Antarion Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:56 pm

    How does your list even works Otto?
    If Germany wins against Arg, they are your number one and if argentina wins against Ger they are your number one, but somehow Brazil is you number one?

    scratch Biggrin <Ale>
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    Post by Isco Benny Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:56 pm

    "if they lose against Argentina though, they are unlikely to win the Cup"

    lol!

    You're on fire Otto. I don't know what you've been drinking or smoking, but keep it up old boy.

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    Post by Ä Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:00 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:How can you rank our 'ladyboys' that highly? Smells like hypocrisy!

    blut

    the Argentina game is really a 50-50 affair for me

    we both suck at the back

    we are both good up front

    the Gauchos individually, the Mannschaft as a unit

    Argentina are hotblooded Latinos

    Germany are coldblooded TEUTONS

    Argentina want REVENGE

    Germany will become even more of a MANNSCHAFT as a result of the history of the tie (see 2006)

    whoever wins THIS tie though, will get so hardened and confident that the team will go all the way

    it's inevitable

    even J-Lö cannot change THAT destiny

    yet again, the winner will be the team that SCORES FIRST

    and we are MORE than capable of doing that with Klose up front

    the MONSTER on a historic MISSION

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    Post by L r dd Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:01 pm

    1. Brazil
    2. Spain
    3. Holland
    4. Argentina
    5. Ghana
    6. Uruguay
    7. Germany
    8. Paraguay.
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    Post by Kimbo Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:01 pm

    1. Brazil
    2. Spain
    3. Germany
    4. Netherlands
    5. Argentina
    6. Uruguay
    7. Ghana
    8. Paraguay

    Spain have been in 2nd gear so far and have been unfortunate enough to play 3 buses(4 after the Paraguay match) and 1 team of hackers.

    Alot of people are riding Argentina but i fancy Germany in their match, i don't imagine they will react too well to a team going at them.
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    Post by debaser Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:01 pm

    "yet again, the winner will be the team that SCORES FIRST"

    Didn't they score first in 2006 Erm
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    Post by blutgraetsche Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:07 pm

    Brazil for me are the top favourites.

    Holland and Spain have not shown their full potential yet, which makes them quite dangerous, too.

    Argentina are the most unpredictable, 'chaotic' side. They could either thrash everyone else, thanks to the immense depth of talent up front, or get a good spanking themselves. Their almost anachronistic tactics of defending deep and passing the ball to the forwards to create something (out of nothing) has worked remarkably well for them so far, but there is a danger of giving up too much control in the midfield that way, too. And their defence has looked a bit shaky at times.

    The Urus will likely make the semis, but can't see them going all the way. Ghana and Paraguay will likely go out in the next round, although I can see Ghana causing a surprise.

    Germany lacks experience and is not ready yet.
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    Post by Ä Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:09 pm

    Antarion wrote:How does your list even works Otto?
    If Germany wins against Arg, they are your number one and if argentina wins against Ger they are your number one, but somehow Brazil is you number one?

    scratch Biggrin <Ale>

    statistics, innit ?!

    IMHO Brazil are FAR BIGGER favourites over Holland

    than Germany over Argentina , or the other way round

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    the winner of Brazil/Holland will 100% reach the final

    whereas the winner of Germany/Argentina

    still has to play a VERY TOUGH Spain

    so if you multiply the odds, Brazil are ahead

    IN REALITY though, you are right, antari

    either Argentina or Germany will win the title

    since it's 50-50, my number one has to be Brazil though

    plus

    I want to lull todo, our second Inca boy here, in a false sense of security

    Very Happy
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    Post by Ä Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:13 pm

    debaser wrote:"yet again, the winner will be the team that SCORES FIRST"

    Didn't they score first in 2006 Erm

    this is more a reference to Germany's World Cup campaign so far

    whenever we scored first, we won

    when we did not, we lost

    IF Argentina score first this time, we are DOOMED

    we do not have the composure and patience to draw level without exposing our back

    Higuain and Co would slice us open for fun

    on the other hand , IF Klose scores first , for instance

    we will see the dodgy Gaucho defense exposed for the first time AS WELL

    and then , Müller and Co will feel like being in Schlaraffenland

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    Post by mongrel hawk Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:19 pm

    1. Argentina
    2. Brazil
    3. Germany
    4. Holland
    5. Uruguay
    6. Ghana
    7. Spain
    8. Paraguay
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    Post by Lusitan Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:24 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Brazil for me are the top favourites.

    Holland and Spain have not shown their full potential yet, which makes them quite dangerous, too.

    Argentina are the most unpredictable, 'chaotic' side. They could either thrash everyone else, thanks to the immense depth of talent up front, or get a good spanking themselves. Their almost anachronistic tactics of defending deep and passing the ball to the forwards to create something (out of nothing) has worked remarkably well for them so far, but there is a danger of giving up too much control in the midfield that way, too. And their defence has looked a bit shaky at times.

    The Urus will likely make the semis, but can't see them going all the way. Ghana and Paraguay will likely go out in the next round, although I can see Ghana causing a surprise.

    Germany lacks experience and is not ready yet.

    I think Spain showed everything they can do against defensive sides, and they may loose to a team like Brasil because Brasil defends well and Dunga will not be afraid to attack.
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    Post by Formerly known as sheva7 Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:25 pm

    1 - Spain
    2 - Argentina
    3 - Brazil
    4 - Holland
    5 - Germany
    6 - Uruguay
    7 - Ghana
    8 - Paraguay
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    Post by abundance Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:25 pm

    1. Argies
    2. Brazil
    3. Holland
    4. Germany
    5. Spain
    6. The others
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    Post by blutgraetsche Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:29 pm

    Lusitan wrote:
    I think Spain showed everything they can do against defensive sides, and they may loose to a team like Brasil because Brasil defends well and Dunga will not be afraid to attack.

    Brazil are strong defensively and extremely dangerous on the counter. Spain would struggle badly against them, exactly the type of team they don't like. So yes, I can see Brazil beating them, too, hence why they are (and have been) the top favourites for me.

    Brazil may struggle against counter attacking teams themselves.
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    Post by Juligen Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:34 pm

    1-Argentina
    2-Germany
    3-Brazil
    4-Holland
    5-Spain
    6-Others
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:45 pm

    The winner will come out of the Brasil Holland clash

    1. Brasil
    2. Netherlands
    3. Spain
    4. Germany
    5. Argentina
    6. others zero chance
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    Post by Effenberg Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:11 pm

    1. Brazil
    2. Spain
    3. Argentina/Germany
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    Holland et. al.

    I'm fairly sure it'll be a Brazil v Spain final with Brazil winning a close one. You can call me a prediction genius in about ten days.
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    Post by Barrilete Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:18 pm

    Noah and the Bale wrote:"if they lose against Argentina though, they are unlikely to win the Cup"

    lol!

    You're on fire Otto. I don't know what you've been drinking or smoking, but keep it up old boy.

    Jagermeisterssss Ale

    I was laughing at that one too, brilliant Laughing
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    Post by Fey Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:04 am

    1 Brazil

    2 Spain

    3 Holland
    4 Germany
    5 Argentina

    6 Ghana
    7 Uaregay

    8 Paraqueer.
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    Post by fcb Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:14 am

    1. Argentina
    2. Brazil
    3. Spain
    4. Holland
    5. Germany
    6. Uruguay
    7. Ghana
    8. Paraguay
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    Post by Antarion Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:26 am

    Fey wrote:1 Brazil

    2 Spain

    3 Holland
    4 Germany
    5 Argentina

    6 Ghana
    7 Uaregay

    8 Paraqueer.

    ok
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    Post by Kroos Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:28 am

    1. germany
    2. brazil
    3. spain
    4. dutch/argentina
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    Post by Effenberg Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:30 am

    Özil wrote:1. germany
    2. brazil
    3. spain
    4. dutch/argentina

    Your deluded optimism is sickening. Ale
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    Post by Kroos Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:36 am

    lol effe you are an "typical german" then <Ale>
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    Post by Ä Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:15 am

    Effenberg wrote:
    Özil wrote:1. germany
    2. brazil
    3. spain
    4. dutch/argentina

    Your deluded optimism is sickening. Ale

    your MIESEPETRIGKEIT is uplifting cheers
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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:32 pm

    Article that kinda fits in here....

    Club international

    July 1, 2010
    By Norman Hubbard

    It is the clubs' fault. They are too rich and too powerful, too greedy and too grasping, too unhelpful and not understanding enough. Whenever an international football team fails, they are convenient scapegoats, exhausting or under-using its players and depriving them of form, fitness or confidence when their country needs them.

    Yet this is a World Cup to suggest that the achievers and overachievers have benefited from behaving like clubs. Brazil are the most prominent example. As no nation produces more top-quality footballers, none has a greater opportunity to chop and change at will. Instead, Dunga has showed the kind of continuity that is enforced at domestic level, where managers have few players to choose from.

    His is a squad without Ronaldinho, Adriano, Diego, Alexandre Pato, Marcelo, Alex and Thiago Motta, to name but a few. Instead, nine of the side who appeared in last year's Confederations Cup final began this World Cup in his first XI. Some have endured troubled seasons, most notably Robinho and Felipe Melo, but there has been consistency of selection. If there is an understanding in the key partnerships in the team - particularly Melo and Gilberto Silva in midfield and Lucio and Juan in defence - it is forged by shared experiences and a knowledge of each others' game.

    Indeed, the success of the entire South American contingent, with the exceptions of an ever-changing Argentina outfit, can be attributed to their seemingly interminable qualifying campaign. Featuring 18 games each, it has permitted them time to grow together.

    Chile's ability to interchange positions is a sign that players are accustomed to performing with one another. More prosaically, the tough Paraguayan and Uruguayan defences, both only breached once in their first four games, have had plenty of practice. As they required a play-off to reach South Africa, the Uruguayan campaign encompassed 20 games; captain Diego Lugano started 17 and the other centre-back, Diego Godin, 16. After manager Oscar Washington Tabarez invested in youth, a team took shape in that time.

    The CONCACAF countries' route to the World Cup can also appear unnecessarily unwieldy. However, it may have benefits: USA play more internationals than most European nations and manager Bob Bradley's familiarity with his players was apparent as a series of replacements exerted an impact, even if his critics can query why his initial selections were less effective. Mexico's frantic summer included 12 games since the start of May, yet those eight friendlies can account for their swift start to the World Cup, out-passing South Africa in the opening fixture and outclassing France next.

    In contrast, plenty of other sides were unable to kick-start their campaign; some never truly began. Team-building can appear an impossibility in international football, but there can be a logic to it. Of the four West African representatives at the World Cup, should it be any surprise that Ghana, two years into Milovan Rajevac's reign, progressed furthest? He had the greatest opportunity to assess players in training and matches and promoted much of the younger generation into the senior side in January's African Nations Cup. There was still scope for newcomers to be introduced, as Kevin-Prince Boateng showed, but he could slot into the existing framework. It was the equivalent of integrating a new signing, rather than building a new team.

    Europe's three quarter-finalists display more a club-like understanding than its underachievers. The majority of the Spain squad are owned by either Real Madrid or Barcelona and the passing axis of Xavi, Andres Iniesta and Sergio Busquets has been transported from Camp Nou into the national team. Despite the Dutch tradition of dissent, two elements are relevant to their serene progress: the left half of their defence, Giovanni van Bronckhorst and Joris Mathijsen, have been virtual ever-presents for years and the creative contingent of Wesley Sneijder, Rafael van der Vaart and Arjen Robben are all at a fourth international tournament, all former Real Madrid players and, in the first two instances, graduates of the Ajax academy.

    Germany, meanwhile, are a team of two generations, hastily spliced together because of injuries but skilfully blended. Joachim Low's willingness to trust the products of the Under-21 squad is rightly respected. A few years their senior, Per Mertesacker, Philipp Lahm, Bastian Schweinsteiger and Lukas Podolski are all 26 or under, yet possess almost 300 caps between them. While only Mertesacker has retained the same role, that stability in a winning side breeds belief in one another.

    It is little wonder they don't look like strangers when placed on a pitch together. The key is not experience per se, as the aged English and Italians illustrate, but experience of playing as a team, establishing patterns of play, uniting players who combine profitably and discarding those who cannot function within the unit. They are prospering by possessing balance, rather than trying to cram in incompatible or unhappy players. Rather than blaming the clubs, the cleverer international managers are emulating the better ones.

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/columns/story?id=804390&cc=5739
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    Post by Brian2468 Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:52 pm

    Spain
    Brazil

    Even
    Germany
    Argentina
    Holland

    Uruguary
    Ghana
    Paraguay

    Defensively as a team I think Spain is better than its competitors.

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