Brazil 2014 - will they really be contenders?

lucio
cesar
juan
kleberson
gilberto
kaka


all will be shit and old, kaka is already shit

whats the upcoming talent!!

pato
.......

Rafael
Fabio
Do you know anything about talent ffs!

they lack quality in central defence, central midfield in 2014

SO FAR

raphael is not really a player for that positions

who is fabio?

Brazil don't generally struggle to find new talent coming through.

Just cause you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they don't have any talent...

Still, there's no endless conveyor belt of talent like the German one

I think the next coach for Brazil will probably try to play more offensive football because I don't think the Brazilians can accept 4 more years of pragmatic football. I don't think they have any talented central midfielders coming through but I can see Diego having a bigger role if he recovers from last season. Robinho will probably still be involved in some way.
Then you have Neymar and Ganso who the locals are getting excited about.

However Ozil, for once, actually has a good point because defence isn't looking that great bar Thiago Silva. Maicon/Bastos will be too old surely and I don't know if Rafael or his brother will develop to become good enough regardless of what lrd says.

Brazil do have a true endless conveyor belt of talent, always had.

But, the Ronaldo-Rivaldo-Cafu-Carlos etc. generation was exceptional even by Brazilian standards. It will take a while for them to have that much talent concentrated in a side.

Özil wrote:lucio
cesar
juan
kleberson
gilberto
kaka


all will be shit and old, kaka is already shit

whats the upcoming talent!!

pato
.......

you are too naive, young man. judging by your age, you should know Brazil are always not only contenders, but one of the favourites. ask blut and he'll tell you. he's a wise man.

Özil wrote:lucio
cesar
juan
kleberson
gilberto
kaka


all will be shit and old, kaka is already shit

whats the upcoming talent!!

pato
.......

Brasil always find talent... they are one nation who can field 4 squads for the world cup, and each will be a contender... what you are talking about is big name players, from our (european) point of view... big name players mean nothing, there probably are kids in the streets of Sao Paolo who can do stuff with a ball at their feet that many of the players at the world cup cannot...

Its fuckin Brasil you are talkin about, mate... "upcoming talent" is probably the least of their worries...

@Super Africa

Maicon's just about to turn 29, he could easily still be playing. Think a home world cup should be a big motivation for people like him to keep at the top level for the next 4 years..

And Bastos is 26/27 - although I expect them to have someone better in that position by then.

Özil wrote:they lack quality in central defence, central midfield in 2014

SO FAR

raphael is not really a player for that positions

who is fabio?

Fabio is the opposite end. He is a better left back than Bastos so he should be at this world cup!

Thiago Silva i like as a CB. The rest i am not sure but Brazil has a huge country with football num 1 sport they are gonna have players. For them to play like they have this world cup with all their riches is a bit embarrassing though

they are on home soil, that's all it takes for them to be the #1 contender imo

Super Africa wrote:I think the next coach for Brazil will probably try to play more offensive football because I don't think the Brazilians can accept 4 more years of pragmatic football. I don't think they have any talented central midfielders coming through but I can see Diego having a bigger role if he recovers from last season. Robinho will probably still be involved in some way.
Then you have Neymar and Ganso who the locals are getting excited about.

However Ozil, for once, actually has a good point because defence isn't looking that great bar Thiago Silva. Maicon/Bastos will be too old surely and I don't know if Rafael or his brother will develop to become good enough regardless of what lrd says.

Brasil defence starters (age) 2010


Brasil defence starters (age) 2014 (probable)

And that is assuming new players do not come up, we all know that with Brasil, new players will turn up somehow...

d gorgeous one haz spoken wrote:they are on home soil, that's all it takes for them to be the #1 contender imo

That definitely is a factor. But let us not forget that they failed to win their only WC at home.

bluenine wrote:

Super Africa wrote:I think the next coach for Brazil will probably try to play more offensive football because I don't think the Brazilians can accept 4 more years of pragmatic football. I don't think they have any talented central midfielders coming through but I can see Diego having a bigger role if he recovers from last season. Robinho will probably still be involved in some way.
Then you have Neymar and Ganso who the locals are getting excited about.

However Ozil, for once, actually has a good point because defence isn't looking that great bar Thiago Silva. Maicon/Bastos will be too old surely and I don't know if Rafael or his brother will develop to become good enough regardless of what lrd says.

Brasil defence starters (age) 2010

Cesar (30)
Maicon (28) - Lucio (32) - Juan (31) - Bastos (26)

Brasil defence starters (age) 2014

Cesar (34)
Maicon (32) - Thiago (29) - Alex (31) - Bastos (30)

And that is assuming new players do not come up, we all know that with Brasil, new players will turn up somehow...

I completely got the ages wrong. I think Bastos was older and Thiago was much younger plus I forget about Alex who I rate. Im still a bit unsure about Maicon being at the same level.
This should indeed be solid enough for them allthough probably not as solid as the current defence but im not sure that is needed.

debaser wrote:@Super Africa

Maicon's just about to turn 29, he could easily still be playing. Think a home world cup should be a big motivation for people like him to keep at the top level for the next 4 years..

And Bastos is 26/27 - although I expect them to have someone better in that position by then.

we have at least 25 left-backs better than Bastos.

Super Africa wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Super Africa wrote:I think the next coach for Brazil will probably try to play more offensive football because I don't think the Brazilians can accept 4 more years of pragmatic football. I don't think they have any talented central midfielders coming through but I can see Diego having a bigger role if he recovers from last season. Robinho will probably still be involved in some way.
Then you have Neymar and Ganso who the locals are getting excited about.

However Ozil, for once, actually has a good point because defence isn't looking that great bar Thiago Silva. Maicon/Bastos will be too old surely and I don't know if Rafael or his brother will develop to become good enough regardless of what lrd says.

Brasil defence starters (age) 2010

Cesar (30)
Maicon (28) - Lucio (32) - Juan (31) - Bastos (26)

Brasil defence starters (age) 2014

Cesar (34)
Maicon (32) - Thiago (29) - Alex (31) - Bastos (30)

And that is assuming new players do not come up, we all know that with Brasil, new players will turn up somehow...

I completely got the ages wrong. I think Bastos was older and Thiago was much younger plus I forget about Alex who I rate. Im still a bit unsure about Maicon being at the same level.
This should indeed be solid enough for them allthough probably not as solid as the current defence but im not sure that is needed.

Alves will be 31, and chances are that one of them will be at the same level...

Yeah I agree, this is not as solid as the current defence, but still quite solid... but with Brasil you also ve to remember that there are also like a dozen Rafinha's & Rafael's floating around, and some of them will come good in 4 years time...

Its fuckin Brasil

Brazil is a little overrated

They are a system team IMO

The only real quality is the defense but the Midfield is average and the strikers are

Luis Fabiano?


Its all Dunga IMO, teams like Argentina, Dutch even maybe the Germans, definately France are more talented - but infinitely underachieve(except Germany ) due to crock shit coaching.

Luis Fabiano is very rated in Brazil, much more than in Europe, because of his São Paulo years. He was always an excelent striker. I never understood why he doesn't play for a big team.

bluenine wrote:

Özil wrote:lucio
cesar
juan
kleberson
gilberto
kaka


all will be shit and old, kaka is already shit

whats the upcoming talent!!

pato
.......

Brasil always find talent... they are one nation who can field 4 squads for the world cup, and each will be a contender... what you are talking about is big name players, from our (european) point of view... big name players mean nothing, there probably are kids in the streets of Sao Paolo who can do stuff with a ball at their feet that many of the players at the world cup cannot...

Its fuckin Brasil you are talkin about, mate... "upcoming talent" is probably the least of their worries...

Agree

Özil wrote:they lack quality in central defence, central midfield in 2014

SO FAR

raphael is not really a player for that positions

who is fabio?

David Luiz. Look around. You may be surpised. To name just one, only 22 now

lampiao007 wrote:

Özil wrote:they lack quality in central defence, central midfield in 2014

SO FAR

raphael is not really a player for that positions

who is fabio?

David Luiz. Look around. You may be surpised. To name just one, only 22 now