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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:09 pm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/5363376.stm

    How UEFA intends to curb the Chelsea factor

    This will go some way to prove Dirk right "Chelsea aren´t a big club they are just a rich club", would be good news all around but no doubt the russian will find another loop hole to exploit it.
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:10 pm

    Why is every one always picking on Chelsea, the best English club....?
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    Post by Effenberg Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:12 pm

    Sounds too good to be true.
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    Post by COTR Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:12 pm

    club or team ricardo??? be careful with the words Wink
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:15 pm

    Sorry Cotr you are 100% right I have to be more careful with my words....


    They are the BEST club AT THE MOMENT...! Liverpool are the best English club EVER!!!!
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:16 pm

    no rj they are the best TEAM at the moment they are not a good CLUB.
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:17 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:no rj they are the best TEAM at the moment they are not a good CLUB.

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    Post by Roger Hunt Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:19 pm

    Easy to avoid.

    I am Roman Abramovich. I buy a special 'golden season ticket' for Stamford Bridge which costs me £100m a year. This is considered 'income' for the club.

    This is of course taxed at 30% so potentially I lose £30m. However, if I also loan the club money, they have to pay me interest on the loan, which reduces the taxable profit.
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    Post by chrissicross Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:20 pm

    Hmm, I guess that would be funtastic for Bayern Munich since they're a highly profitable club...
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:24 pm

    Why to pick on Chelsea while Real Madrid were allowed to make illegal transactions...

    Why to pick on Chelsea while the UEFA only wants to make the other RICH clubs richer and the POOR clubs POORER....

    They are a bunch of hypocrits to win the votes of the people!!!!!
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    Post by Effenberg Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:24 pm

    There's still the TV money but at least the Abramovich factor would decrease. I mean if it came through Chelsea would basically have to sell everybody.

    Unless they do find a loophole as some on here suggested...
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    Post by chrissicross Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:34 pm

    Which of the big clubs do spend more money than they earn? Is it only Chelsea?
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:39 pm

    who knows really but if it creates some sort of salary cap overall then it could affect lots of teams as i don´t suppose there are accurate stats for the amount each club spends on this
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:43 pm

    Why the UEFA don't come FIRST with a nota to reward every club the same! Clubs must get money by results not because they have more media attention!!!!!!

    This is the more thereason why football is into decline and NOT the Chelsea policy!
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:58 pm

    now we just need somebody to really take a look at Real Madrid's finances...
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    Post by chrissicross Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:59 pm

    ricardojol wrote:Why the UEFA don't come FIRST with a nota to reward every club the same! Clubs must get money by results not because they have more media attention!!!!!!
    Hmm, but when a club has more fans it's logical they earn more (TV) money...
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:00 pm

    From the UEFA?
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    Post by chrissicross Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:05 pm

    ricardojol wrote:From the UEFA?
    Sorry Ricardo, didn't notice you were talking about UEFA money... Embarassed
    But isn't the reason the Spanish clubs for example get more money from UEFA, because UEFA gets more money from Spanish TV?
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    Post by fcb Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:40 pm

    But this would seriously hamper small clubs because their transfer spending would be limited by their earnings...they should be allowed to splash every once in a while.

    The idea is good, but some other action is needed. Although the fact that this will seriously hinder RM's policy of buying their way out of trouble (and failing so far anyway Laugh ) is quite tempting.
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    Post by Mistletoe. Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:47 pm

    I really wish that Eufa & Fifa would leave football alone. Almost all clubs, and especially, small clubs, spend more than their income.
    This just comes about because Chelsea have upset the so-called big clubs by overtaking them.
    It's just the natural order changing. You can't stop progress.
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    Post by toon h Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:04 pm

    It is very easy to indicate that this goes against Chelsea, but it seems also to benefit some clubs that are genuinely working on a balanced budget. My home club, De Graafschap was relegated two years ago for the simple reason that the board did not think it wise to spend money that they didn't have, whereas other clubs in the same league situation were piling up the debt. The debts mount up until some (usually local) government institution needs to bail the club out (in the general public interest) with some property deal or other and they can start all over again overspending. The board of football clubs are just not responsable in that respect and only spend money so they can be elected (the same way some politicians like Reagan and Major in the 80's could push through some popular tax and spending reforms while piling up the external debt, leaving the problems for the future political leaders of different parties usually).

    In Spain this situation is also quite clear, where clubs that are trying to curb spending in order to survive find it increasingly difficult to compete (Espanyol for example) whereas big clubs with big local political backing like Real Madrid and even Barcelona can afford to run up hundreds of millions of debt and expect the public to bail them out at one point or another.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:32 pm

    toon h wrote:It is very easy to indicate that this goes against Chelsea, but it seems also to benefit some clubs that are genuinely working on a balanced budget. My home club, De Graafschap was relegated two years ago for the simple reason that the board did not think it wise to spend money that they didn't have, whereas other clubs in the same league situation were piling up the debt. The debts mount up until some (usually local) government institution needs to bail the club out (in the general public interest) with some property deal or other and they can start all over again overspending. The board of football clubs are just not responsable in that respect and only spend money so they can be elected (the same way some politicians like Reagan and Major in the 80's could push through some popular tax and spending reforms while piling up the external debt, leaving the problems for the future political leaders of different parties usually).

    In Spain this situation is also quite clear, where clubs that are trying to curb spending in order to survive find it increasingly difficult to compete (Espanyol for example) whereas big clubs with big local political backing like Real Madrid and even Barcelona can afford to run up hundreds of millions of debt and expect the public to bail them out at one point or another.
    lol! why mention real madrid when the earlier bit would have been so much funnier without a mention of that name
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    Post by toon h Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:34 pm

    what's so funny, Frank?
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:40 pm

    toon h wrote:The debts mount up until some (usually local) government institution needs to bail the club out (in the general public interest) with some property deal or other and they can start all over again overspending. The board of football clubs are just not responsable in that respect and only spend money so they can be elected (the same way some politicians like Reagan and Major in the 80's could push through some popular tax and spending reforms while piling up the external debt, leaving the problems for the future political leaders of different parties usually).
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    Post by Forza It Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:54 pm

    toon h wrote:It is very easy to indicate that this goes against Chelsea, but it seems also to benefit some clubs that are genuinely working on a balanced budget. My home club, De Graafschap was relegated two years ago for the simple reason that the board did not think it wise to spend money that they didn't have, whereas other clubs in the same league situation were piling up the debt. The debts mount up until some (usually local) government institution needs to bail the club out (in the general public interest) with some property deal or other and they can start all over again overspending. The board of football clubs are just not responsable in that respect and only spend money so they can be elected (the same way some politicians like Reagan and Major in the 80's could push through some popular tax and spending reforms while piling up the external debt, leaving the problems for the future political leaders of different parties usually).

    In Spain this situation is also quite clear, where clubs that are trying to curb spending in order to survive find it increasingly difficult to compete (Espanyol for example) whereas big clubs with big local political backing like Real Madrid and even Barcelona can afford to run up hundreds of millions of debt and expect the public to bail them out at one point or another.

    Quite right.

    It is a problem everywhere…in Serie A it is a big problem and it is finding its way into the Prem.

    Fiscal responsibility is at a premium. How can a club like Chelsea sustain itself in a few years – as the Kenyon rhetoric has us believe – when they are operating at a loss that would liquidate some medium-sized clubs??

    That goes for many…look at Arsenal or Man U…look at the massive debt they have…Roma went through a similar process that Arsenal is going through now. Their debts have been “spread out.”

    Milan have not been the best at budget-watching but they are starting to take small steps. This season the squad was trimmed down to just 24 players. That is the first team squad. That is why everyone was shocked that Milan did not buy blithely. There is a reason for that. Berlusconi steps in every two summers and helps out with a purchase. Patronage should have limits too.

    Contrast that with Inter (Moratti and a huge squad) or Udinese (a few years back they started with a 51-member(!!) first team squad).

    Why not keep the wage bill at 65% of the revenue? Surely smart businesses operate under sensible parameters.
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    Post by Mistletoe. Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:05 pm

    Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

    Why not keep the wage bill at 65% of the revenue? Surely smart businesses operate under sensible parameters.

    Shocked Millwall's players would be on about £2 a year.
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    Post by Forza It Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:17 pm

    SLB e Millwall wrote:
    Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

    Why not keep the wage bill at 65% of the revenue? Surely smart businesses operate under sensible parameters.

    Shocked Millwall's players would be on about £2 a year.


    So it's better to spend money that you don't have? Shocked
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    Post by lampiao007 Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:19 pm

    Uefa and capping money that clubs can spend on transfers on the same phrase.....pot kettle black, comes to mind
    Remind me, how much did they upped the CL winning prize to?

    And how many teams do we have in CL from the rich leagues, you know, the leagues where this supposed rich clubs play their domestic football, play in the CL?
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    Post by Mistletoe. Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:02 pm

    Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
    SLB e Millwall wrote:
    Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

    Why not keep the wage bill at 65% of the revenue? Surely smart businesses operate under sensible parameters.

    Shocked Millwall's players would be on about £2 a year.


    So it's better to spend money that you don't have? Shocked

    Well, yes. Ask Chelsea fans if they are happy that their club is spending money that they don't have.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:03 pm

    in the championship, champ 1 and champ 2 there is a cap i´m pretty sure already

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