PFA player of the year nonsense

Kroos wrote:ok it was a little windup

but there are plenty players in our league which can play on the left side and not so predictable like bale

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I hate to be the one to have to break this to you, but Ribery's shit. He may well be less predictable than Bale, but when 'less predictable' equates to 'can't cross, keeps running the ball into touch' then that isn't really a good thing.

What I find particularly amusing about all this is that the focus is all on Bale winning, when he played a major role in Spurs qualifying for the CL last Spring, and a major role in Spurs getting to the QF of the CL. Compare that to Wilshere, who has played a minor role in Arsenal achieving fuck all, and a minor role in Arsenal getting to the last 16 of the CL. Of course, he's English, so his violence, promiscuity and shameless self-promotion are overlooked in favour of some half-arsed notion of accomplishment. He's where Denilson, Song and Diaby were 3 or 4 years ago, and look how they've turned out.

Just for the sake of comparison, Javier Hernandez has outscored Torres, Drogba, Rooney, Anelka, Carroll, Van Persie, Van Der Vaart, Elmander, Nasri, Chamakh, Arshavin and a whole bunch of other massively hyped players who are supposedly world class. And that's without even being top scorer at his club, or a first choice striker, so how in the fuck Wilshere got the award ahead of him I do not know. Still, this award is a joke, given to media darlings by a bunch of illiterate morons, so it comes as no surprise.

Nani probably should have won the main award, but since he's a brat I suppose the next most consistent player who is very important to his team is Scott Parker. Aside from that, Tevez has been excellent for most of the season, and Pierre's right that Yaya Toure has had a great season. What the hell Vidic was doing on the list for the main award I cannot fathom, except he plays for ManYoo and more deserving players like Odemwingie do not.

We Want 5! wrote:I honestly don't see what everyone is complaining about.

A non-Big Four Billy Bollocks player won the award, which is a dangerous precedent. Bale is far more deserving of his award than Wilshere is of his, but don't expect anyone on here to make an issue out of that. Or out of the fact he's a fuck and chucker and a vicious little chav. Why? Because he's part of the Big Four Billy Bollocks monopoly.

We Want 5! wrote:I honestly don't see what everyone is complaining about. These awards are voted for by the players. If they feel Bale was the best player in the country this year, then so be it.

People keep banging on about the Inter game as the "only" reason he won. Which is quite an annoying fallacy: he's actually had some tremendous games for us this season. He was also phenomenally good at the back end of last season. The fact that most non Spurs fans / media only took notice after the Inter game and then expected him to play like that every week doesn't mean he's been doing fuck all before and since.

Obviously, people will point to the fact that Nani for example has assisted more than Bale this season, but then Nani hasn't had to try and feed goal shy strikers like Pav, Crouch and Defoe.

Yes, personally I'd ve given it Tevez this season myself, but Bale has had a good enough season to warrant it as well IMO.

Fuck off! FUCK... OFF! Just fuck off will you 0trick? Can you fuck off? Are you going to fuck off?

This is bullshit.

I'm not sure i would vote for Bale ahead of guys like Jarvis, Adam, and Brunt, nevermind bloody Tevez and Nasri.

Kimbo wrote:

We Want 5! wrote:I honestly don't see what everyone is complaining about. These awards are voted for by the players. If they feel Bale was the best player in the country this year, then so be it.

People keep banging on about the Inter game as the "only" reason he won. Which is quite an annoying fallacy: he's actually had some tremendous games for us this season. He was also phenomenally good at the back end of last season. The fact that most non Spurs fans / media only took notice after the Inter game and then expected him to play like that every week doesn't mean he's been doing fuck all before and since.

Obviously, people will point to the fact that Nani for example has assisted more than Bale this season, but then Nani hasn't had to try and feed goal shy strikers like Pav, Crouch and Defoe.

Yes, personally I'd ve given it Tevez this season myself, but Bale has had a good enough season to warrant it as well IMO.

Fuck off! FUCK... OFF! Just fuck off will you 0trick? Can you fuck off? Are you going to fuck off?

This is bullshit.

I'm not sure i would vote for Bale ahead of guys like Jarvis, Adam, and Brunt, nevermind bloody Tevez and Nasri.

Bullshit is it? Bale has proven himself in not just the Premier League, but also in the Champions League. When Jarvis, Adam, Brunt, Nolan, Barton or whatever other player you would vote for has done so, then feel free to get irate about it. Currently, you're just reverberating your own endless bitterness. For a change. Yawn

We Want 5! wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

We Want 5! wrote:I honestly don't see what everyone is complaining about. These awards are voted for by the players. If they feel Bale was the best player in the country this year, then so be it.

People keep banging on about the Inter game as the "only" reason he won. Which is quite an annoying fallacy: he's actually had some tremendous games for us this season. He was also phenomenally good at the back end of last season. The fact that most non Spurs fans / media only took notice after the Inter game and then expected him to play like that every week doesn't mean he's been doing fuck all before and since.

Obviously, people will point to the fact that Nani for example has assisted more than Bale this season, but then Nani hasn't had to try and feed goal shy strikers like Pav, Crouch and Defoe.

Yes, personally I'd ve given it Tevez this season myself, but Bale has had a good enough season to warrant it as well IMO.

Fuck off! FUCK... OFF! Just fuck off will you 0trick? Can you fuck off? Are you going to fuck off?

This is bullshit.

I'm not sure i would vote for Bale ahead of guys like Jarvis, Adam, and Brunt, nevermind bloody Tevez and Nasri.

Bullshit is it? Bale has proven himself in not just the Premier League, but also in the Champions League. When Jarvis, Adam, Brunt, Nolan, Barton or whatever other player you would vote for has done so, then feel free to get irate about it. Currently, you're just reverberating your own endless bitterness. For a change. Yawn

Yeah yeah yeah, we all know about the Inter games, infact we haven't stopped hearing about them. When is he going to start doing it regularly in the league? Bale is a decent prospect, that's all, at this stage.

Kimbo wrote:

We Want 5! wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

We Want 5! wrote:I honestly don't see what everyone is complaining about. These awards are voted for by the players. If they feel Bale was the best player in the country this year, then so be it.

People keep banging on about the Inter game as the "only" reason he won. Which is quite an annoying fallacy: he's actually had some tremendous games for us this season. He was also phenomenally good at the back end of last season. The fact that most non Spurs fans / media only took notice after the Inter game and then expected him to play like that every week doesn't mean he's been doing fuck all before and since.

Obviously, people will point to the fact that Nani for example has assisted more than Bale this season, but then Nani hasn't had to try and feed goal shy strikers like Pav, Crouch and Defoe.

Yes, personally I'd ve given it Tevez this season myself, but Bale has had a good enough season to warrant it as well IMO.

Fuck off! FUCK... OFF! Just fuck off will you 0trick? Can you fuck off? Are you going to fuck off?

This is bullshit.

I'm not sure i would vote for Bale ahead of guys like Jarvis, Adam, and Brunt, nevermind bloody Tevez and Nasri.

Bullshit is it? Bale has proven himself in not just the Premier League, but also in the Champions League. When Jarvis, Adam, Brunt, Nolan, Barton or whatever other player you would vote for has done so, then feel free to get irate about it. Currently, you're just reverberating your own endless bitterness. For a change. Yawn

Yeah yeah yeah, we all know about the Inter games, infact we haven't stopped hearing about them. When is he going to start doing it regularly in the league? Bale is a decent prospect, that's all, at this stage.

Oh shut your whining pie hole. He's been doing "it" pretty consistently in the league for sometime now. Games against the big boys as well, not just flat track bullying of the shitter teams, of which there are plenty. So he had a few quiet games when we were on telly. There is no reason to think he's going to be stand out in every game when shithouse defences double up on him.

Besides, he didn't just do it against Inter home and away, he was also brilliant against FC Twente, Bremen home and away. And then got injured.

A player with more ability in his little toe than Kevin Nolan, and you're upset that his fellow professionals have recognised this instead of giving it to a bunch of EPL-level cloggers like Brunt, Adam and the aforementioned?

Fair to say that both Bale & Wilshere are lucky coz of their nationality. Tevez/Nani & Chicharito more deserving obviously. Had a look at the recent history - Terry, Gerrard, Giggs, Rooney et all seem less convincing compared to likes of Ronaldo, henry, Ginola, bergkamp, nistelrooy, etc (who are all far above the much overrated British contingent in quality & impact)

Spurs 0-5 Madrid wrote:

We Want 5! wrote:I honestly don't see what everyone is complaining about.

A non-Big Four Billy Bollocks player won the award, which is a dangerous precedent. Bale is far more deserving of his award than Wilshere is of his, but don't expect anyone on here to make an issue out of that. Or out of the fact he's a fuck and chucker and a vicious little chav. Why? Because he's part of the Big Four Billy Bollocks monopoly.

a) Bale is billy big 4 bollocks

b) Chucker this is football not cricket?

c) Wilshere is awesome

Allez les rouges wrote:
a) Bale is billy big 4 bollocks

b) Chucker this is football not cricket?

c) Wilshere is awesome

a) No, he isn't. Spurs are the 5th or 6th richest club. 4th for them was an overachievement.

b) That's a variation on the 'fuck and chuck', where a young man has sex with a young woman only to split up with her the next day/when her mean looking brother surfaces/when she gets pregnant.

c) Wilshere can't head, tackle or score goals. He's a good passer. So is Denilson. No one thinks Denilson is awesome. Give it time, no one will think Wilshere is either. If he played for West Ham, no one would give a shit about him.

Fenomeno wrote:Fair to say that both Bale & Wilshere are lucky coz of their nationality. Tevez/Nani & Chicharito more deserving obviously. Had a look at the recent history - Terry, Gerrard, Giggs, Rooney et all seem less convincing compared to likes of Ronaldo, henry, Ginola, bergkamp, nistelrooy, etc (who are all far above the much overrated British contingent in quality & impact)

Yeah, there is probably some truth in there. Blame the players though - they're the ones who vote on it.

Bale isn't English either. So let's put to bed the pro-English bias, as I know it's an often used argument when people are upset that English players are given some accolades in England.

An Englishman has won this award 4 times since 2000. That hardly counts an obscene bias towards English players

We Want 5! wrote:Oh shut your whining pie hole. He's been doing "it" pretty consistently in the league for sometime now. Games against the big boys as well, not just flat track bullying of the shitter teams, of which there are plenty. So he had a few quiet games when we were on telly. There is no reason to think he's going to be stand out in every game when shithouse defences double up on him.

Besides, he didn't just do it against Inter home and away, he was also brilliant against FC Twente, Bremen home and away. And then got injured.

A player with more ability in his little toe than Kevin Nolan, and you're upset that his fellow professionals have recognised this instead of giving it to a bunch of EPL-level cloggers like Brunt, Adam and the aforementioned?

Yeah, target Kevin Nolan, good one. I tell you what, i would rather have Nolans 12 goals than Bales 7.

Also Bale is hardly Ben Arfa or Messi is he? He is tall, fast and strong, with a good left foot, but he is hardly special in terms of skill. I'm not sure what you expect him to become, but he won't be the next Giggs, i guarantee it. This isn't bitterness or anything like that, Modric for example is a far better player, i've always given Spurs players their dues when they have deserved it.

Ridiculous! Bale is a good player, but to say he was the best..

Even worse that Kuyt aint even listed, King Kuyt and King Kenny brought Liverpool back to where they belong and IMO if Dalglish was here at the beginning, Liverpool would have been a contender for the title.

Why the hell Nasri is being in the team of the year is beyond me, he has no x-factor bar his lesbian face.

And as for Bundesliga players being better then EPL players, well...looking good in the Bundesliga is like being a female model for fat women clothes.

Come on 'Noah and the Bale', don't you know the legendary levels of man-love for Welsh players by British media.

Kimbo wrote:

We Want 5! wrote:Oh shut your whining pie hole. He's been doing "it" pretty consistently in the league for sometime now. Games against the big boys as well, not just flat track bullying of the shitter teams, of which there are plenty. So he had a few quiet games when we were on telly. There is no reason to think he's going to be stand out in every game when shithouse defences double up on him.

Besides, he didn't just do it against Inter home and away, he was also brilliant against FC Twente, Bremen home and away. And then got injured.

A player with more ability in his little toe than Kevin Nolan, and you're upset that his fellow professionals have recognised this instead of giving it to a bunch of EPL-level cloggers like Brunt, Adam and the aforementioned?

Yeah, target Kevin Nolan, good one. I tell you what, i would rather have Nolans 12 goals than Bales 7.

Also Bale is hardly Ben Arfa or Messi is he? He is tall, fast and strong, with a good left foot, but he is hardly special in terms of skill. I'm not sure what you expect him to become, but he won't be the next Giggs, i guarantee it. This isn't bitterness or anything like that, Modric for example is a far better player, i've always given Spurs players their dues when they have deserved it.

Ben Arfa?!

Oh here we go again. Bale the facking ranner What exactly do you mean by skills? Step overs? This is the part that always makes me laugh. As though changing direction, shooting / crossing at pace, vision, end product, doing THIS isn't a special skill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_91zKwP5huE

And he's been brought up as a left back, and will probably end up in that position long term in his career, so of course he's not the next Giggs. Or the next Messi. You aren't the sharpest are you Dimbo?

Fenomeno wrote:Fair to say that both Bale & Wilshere are lucky coz of their nationality. Tevez/Nani & Chicharito more deserving obviously. Had a look at the recent history - Terry, Gerrard, Giggs, Rooney et all seem less convincing compared to likes of Ronaldo, henry, Ginola, bergkamp, nistelrooy, etc (who are all far above the much overrated British contingent in quality & impact)

Starting to think the Hernandez love has started to flip from under- to over-hype. He has certainly been a successful buy at a very good price, but he is basically your classic poacher, of the type generally sneered upon elsewhere on this board (cf. Bent, D.) - not involved in the game very much, but always capable of turning up at the right moment to finish a chance.

And I can't help but feel that being a supersub/sometime starter at Utd is always going to a very rewarding place for any efficient poacher, what with Nani, Giggs, Rooney and co. as providers, them being the most effective club around at piling on late pressure and Ferguson generally being pretty canny about when is/isn't a good time to introduce such players (some might point to Owen as counter-example, but it's obvious he no longer has the pace/fitness to do what he used to be good at - and Fergie rarely uses him now).

Deserved to be nominated for YPOTY, certainly, but I don't think he's done enough to say he clearly deserves to win over, say, Carroll or Wilshere.

Come on 0trick, Bale is pure push and run. He is a very good athlete and a Laurent Robert type left foot, which is great, but in terms of the finer part of the game he is pretty lacking.

And yes, Ben Arfa is hilarious, what a talentless donkey. If he is fit he will scare the shit out of people next season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMrefQ5UDU0

I like the look of this poacher. Seems more of Nistelrooy class than Darren Bent.

And speaking of British hyperbole,
Rafael (> Coleman)
Ramires (> Wilshere)
Szecasassssny (> Joe Hart)
were all ignored too.

Kimbo wrote:Come on 0trick, Bale is pure push and run. He is a very good athlete and a Laurent Robert type left foot, which is great, but in terms of the finer part of the game he is pretty lacking.

And yes, Ben Arfa is hilarious, what a talentless donkey. If he is fit he will scare the shit out of people next season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMrefQ5UDU0

I'm not laughing because I think he's a talentless donkey, I'm laughing because he's played a mere handful of games for you and you're already putting him on the same level as Messi. Yes, he looks a skillful player. But so does Abel Taarabt.

Pure push and run my arse. As you won't have seen it, watch from 1.50 onwards him murdering Chelsea and tell me that's a pure push and run player. Rubbish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V7wiBXV7Oo&feature=fvwrel

Fenomeno wrote:I like the look of this poacher. Seems more of Nistelrooy class than Darren Bent.

van Nistelrooy has a lot more strength in hold-up play from what I've seen of Hernandez - Solskjaer seems best comparison for Hernandez to me.

Fenomeno wrote:And speaking of British hyperbole,
Rafael (> Coleman)
Ramires (> Wilshere)
Szecasassssny (> Joe Hart)
were all ignored too.

Ramires??! You are shitting me

Prone to mistakes, but made up for old turd lampard & out of form essien this season.

Fenomeno wrote:And speaking of British hyperbole,
Rafael (> Coleman)
Ramires (> Wilshere)
Szecasassssny (> Joe Hart)
were all ignored too.

Szejncbgbjkerjsy better than Hart? When exactly did he prove this? He's played about 10 senior games ffs! Promising, but Hart has been doing it for a lot longer.

Ramires - hmm. has a lot of energy + good technique but hasn't really wowed me at Chelsea yet. Still adapting, no doubt, but hasn't justified £18m tag. 2 goals and 0 assists in the league - and he often seems to be in fairly advanced midfield position/right wing. Wilshere's impressed me more this season.

Rafael is probably better than Coleman, but Coleman's had a better season. Rafael seems injury prone & still has propensity to do stupid things. Once he's matured he will be a top full back.

Fenomeno wrote:Prone to mistakes, but made up for old turd lampard & out of form essien this season.

Me thinks someone is going completely t'other way here with some good old "anti-British" hyperbole. "old turd" Lampard had been injured and out of the team for over half of the season. Coinciding with their massive slump infact. Started most of the games when they went unbeaten for a number of games until end of August.

Not that I'm a big fan, but has been pretty crucial to Chelsea over the years.

Ramires and Szzexchjny over Wilshere and Hart is lunacy.

Fenomeno wrote:And speaking of British hyperbole,
Rafael (> Coleman)
Ramires (> Wilshere)
Szecasassssny (> Joe Hart)
were all ignored too.

True, but don't expect anyone else here to admit it (at least the Engly posters). Ramires hasn't lived up to his pricetag, but Wilshere hasn't lived up to his hype. And he has started his own fashion label, which is as unforgiveable as the Rio Ferdinand rap album. Plus look at him:




People talk about him like he's the new Paul Gascoigne, when he isn't even the new Paul Scholes. More likely, he's England's answer to Anderson, or maybe Lucas, if I'm in a generous mood.

Ramires has looked pretty guff when i've watched him.

Ramieres

Get the hell out of here.

Kimbo wrote:Ramires has looked pretty guff when i've watched him.

Something we can agree on.

Wilshere deserves his award - fitted in seamlessly to the Arsenal team. Yes, they've still collectively choked in the big games, but they are in 2nd place in the league. He's quite obviously a quality player, plays a similar role to Modric - won't score or directly assist many, but has the blend of technique and diminutive physical strength to be the focal point of the team. I also don't see any other young players who have performed better than him this season, other than Bale. Nani is 24 and been playing in the league now for many seasons, that not a "young" player.

It was probably one of the worst lists ever this season really which highlights the lack of genuine quality right now in the premier league. It was unusual that the top scorer in the league by some distance wasn't even included, but then even him winning would have left some complaining because he's only scored in a handful of games or so.

From that list Vidic was the clear winner in my mind. He's had possibly his best season yet at United over the whole season but defenders never get as much credit as attacking players in these sorts of things.

I'm not surprised Bale won, in fact I think I predicted it. It's like when Giggs won, completely undeserved but it's voted for by players that love to see a romantic option win. Giggs was never going to be in that position again so he had to win. Bale was brilliant at the San Siro so he had to win.

The likes of Parker and Adam were never realistically going to win and Nasri has dipped over the last couple of months. Tevez might have won it if City were top of the league.

Congratulations to Gareth Bale for winning PFA Player of a Bit of the Year.

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