La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread

Funny how Graham Hunter failed to hear the monkey chants this time. Had to be pointed out by someone else to him.

No. Only Balague (for obvious reasons) reports the ugly side of Farca.

mourinho is such a disgrace

Which any sane man would accept. But why don;t you post the video of Pinto, Villa & co in best behaviour?

Kroos wrote:mourinho is such a disgrace

That was a beautiful exchange between Messi and Mourinho. Those two have a nice thing going since Mourinho sent del Horno to break him. Their mutual hatred towards each other is lovely.

havent found anything, it seems no one is interested on the victims, only on the attackers

and right so


real madrid started the attack again, as always

its not funny anymore, even with 2 germans i get angry when i think about madrid, too many c**ts

Wait so Fabregas won a trophy in his first game, 2 days after signing for Barcelona. Yet he won nothing in 6 years at Arsenal.

Just getting my head round that.

Cristiano wrote:

The Easter Bunny wrote:Love Mourinho's little ear/cheek pinch on Tito!

This fixture gets ruined by the c**t percentage involved,
Fucking Ronaldo, Alves, Mourinho, Busquets, Marcelo, Pedro etc. They are all c**ts don't care what anyone says, fuck the bias and agendas.

This. And of course Pepe.

Awesome. Another trophy, despite worse fitness, more injuries (Alexis got injured in the warmup), and less desperation than Madrid


I don't get the people praising Madrid for their attacking football and saying this has brought them closer to Barça, but then criticising them for poor defending, especially when they say "this is not the usual Mourinho defending".

Isn't it obvious that the "usual Mourinho defending" that we know of is because he has his teams play pussy football, with everyone defending (his infamous trivote in midfield), and only a few going forward launching counter attacks? It's not some magic formula that he uses to get his teams to defend well without having numbers sitting back.

So obviously when they go out and play more attacking and with their lines applying pressure higher up the pitch, they're going to be more exposed defensively. And if that results in 2-2s and 3-2s rather than 0-0s or 1-0s, then it's all good, as long as Barça keep winning


Marcelo = Pepe = mental c**ts, exactly in the image of their manager. What he did to Vilanova - and his subsequent comments - is just disgusting and pathetic. Players get into brawls all the time, but when managers - who are supposed to be an image of their club - start doing these things too, it's clear a line has been crossed.


Casillas can shut the fuck up too: "Marcelo made a tackle, and they go down like always". What the fuck did he see from all the way in his goalkeeper position? This wasn't just a "tackle", it was a reckless and violent "scissor" lunge of frustration from Marcelo (who had already tried to do a Del Horno on Messi), and it was one of the most obvious red cards you'll ever see. There was no exaggeration from Cesc.

fcb wrote:Awesome. Another trophy, despite worse fitness, more injuries (Alexis got injured in the warmup), and less desperation than Madrid

So I guess we're favourites for the league then.

Isn't it obvious that the "usual Mourinho defending" that we know of is because he has his teams play pussy football, with everyone defending (his infamous trivote in midfield), and only a few going forward launching counter attacks? It's not some magic formula that he uses to get his teams to defend well without having numbers sitting back.

Of course, but some of the individual defending by Carvalho and Pepe was atrocious to say the least.

Marcelo = Pepe = mental c**ts, exactly in the image of their manager, Bose Mourinho or Dose Mourinho or whatever he's called. Disgusting and pathetic.

Of course this is obvious.

Casillas can shut the fuck up too: "Marcelo made a tackle, and they go down like always". What the fuck did he see from all the way in his goalkeeper position? This wasn't just a "tackle", it was a reckless and violent "scissor" lunge of frustration from Marcelo (who had already tried to do a Del Horno on Messi), and it was one of the most obvious red cards you'll ever see.

Casillas has an obligation to stick up for his players but of course he is wrong on this. It was a dirty tackle from Marcelo and he went with the intention of injuring poor Francesc. But the general sentiment is are not wrong. Plenty of times Pedro and Busquets and Pique went down grasping their faces when really the point of contact was at the neck or the shoulder. Adriano too. It's feigning and there is no two ways about it. Of course it's not unexpected with the violent play that some of our players continue to indulge in but two wrongs don't make it right.

What La Liga needs right now is another coach like Rafa in the mix.

Anything to distract Mourinho from his Barça obsession. He seems to have a fetish for violence...I don't understand why his teams always insist on crossing the limit and following through with their tackling and aggressiveness when playing Barça. I would assume a "special" manager like him is able to move on from the primitive football tactics of the 80s.



@Jaime: No, I think Barça are still favourites for the league. With the strike this weekend, there are no more excuses for the team not to be ready by then. And based on what we've seen in the Super Cup, I'm pleased that the team is still willing and able to fight and pull off victories. The mentality is strong as ever


I'm not denying that certain Barça players are also to blame in all this with their diving and simulation but on the other hand, you can also see why Pique (and pretty much all of us associated with Barça) are blaming Mourinho for being the root of all this drama in the past 2 years.

His violent approach basically puts the opponents in a lose-lose situation - if you don't go down when the Madrid players kick you, they'll keep getting away with it because most of the time the refs cannot spot such "dark arts". If you do go down, you get criticised and Mourinho/Madrid players then get some leverage to claim they are angels.

It's just frustrating that it has to come to this. After every game we're talking about controversy rather than football. The rivalry can be fierce, but it doesn't have to be so negative.

fcb wrote:@Jaime: No, I think Barça are still favourites for the league. With the strike now, there are no more excuses for the team not to be ready by then. And based on what we've seen in the Super Cup, I'm pleased that the team is still willing and able to fight and pull off victories. The mentality is strong as ever

I am going to hold you to that.

I'm not denying that certain Barça players are also to blame in all this with their diving and simulation but on the other hand, you can also see why Pique (and pretty much all of us associated with Barça) are blaming Mourinho for being the root of all this drama in the past 2 years. His violent approach basically puts the opponents in a lose-lose situation - if you don't go down when the Madrid players kick you, they'll keep getting away with it because most of the time the ref wouldn't spot such "dark arts". If you do go down, you get criticised and Mourinho/Madrid players then get some leverage to claim they are angels.

It's just frustrating that it has to come to this. After every game we're talking about controversy rather than football. The rivalry can be fierce, but it doesn't have to be so negative.

I can't disagree with anything you've said here. In the beginning I thought it would be amusing to hear Mourinho winding you lot up in the press conferences, giving your starting lineup, etc. but the antics have gotten very old very quickly. Pique is right that he is single-handedly ruining Spanish football. Some days I feel like I would rather lose to you lot for the rest of my life than to see Mourinho have any success. Of course then I wake up. Still, I hope he goes sooner than later. It will be interesting to see what if anything Florentino says about how Mourinho is upholding the clubs values. I guess he is giving new meaning to 'cuando pierde da la mano'...

Marcelo and Mourinho should both pick up 5 match bans and Barcelona should be forced to play 2-3 home games behind closed doors. It's unlikely that any of those punishments will have any success, but in the case of these 2 sides I don't think there is any punishment which would work.

S4P wrote:Marcelo and Mourinho should both pick up 5 match bans and Barcelona should be forced to play 2-3 home games behind closed doors. It's unlikely that any of those punishments will have any success, but in the case of these 2 sides I don't think there is any punishment which would work.

Madrid should also be forced to play 2-3 games behind closed doors

Did they make monkey chants too?

The best thing that could happen is for Mourinho to leave Spain. Some of the bad tension between these 2 sides may start to cool down. Mourinho's obsession with Barcelona should also start to cool down, as should your obsession with Mourinho.

Win

According to Graham Hunter they did.

Yes, it would be nice if he leaves. Then we only have the drama if/when Barça plays his new team in the CL. Ideally he would piss off to the MLS or Portugal national team job like he claims he wants to do. Worst case would be him going to City - another club with endless money, where his nonsense and crap football would be tolerated in their quest for trophies.

Also, Guillem Balague makes a good point - sadly, this monkey chanting business is not something new and Mourinho-provoked like all the other stuff between Barça and Madrid. It's always been there in Spanish stadiums at clubs big and small...remember the Etoo saga a few years ago?

Real Madrid's Jose Mourinho is 'destroying Spanish football' - Barcelona's Gerard Pique

The defender hit out at the Portuguese, who was seen to poke Barca assistant boss Tito Vilanova in the eye following the sides' bitter Supercopa clash at Camp Nou

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2011/08/18/2624946/real-madrids-jose-mourinho-is-destroying-spanish-football

blutgraetsche wrote:

Real Madrid's Jose Mourinho is 'destroying Spanish football' - Barcelona's Gerard Pique

The defender hit out at the Portuguese, who was seen to poke Barca assistant boss Tito Vilanova in the eye following the sides' bitter Supercopa clash at Camp Nou

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2011/08/18/2624946/real-madrids-jose-mourinho-is-destroying-spanish-football

You have to love c**ts like Pique making these types of statements. The same guy that yelled "we're gonna steal your king's cup 'españolitos'" to the Madrid players not long ago and waved his hand around grinning like an idiot after the "manita".

in some people's eyes their club can do no wrong.

Messiah wrote:in some people's eyes their club can do no wrong.

Exactly. Yours!

Jaimito el Crack wrote:

Messiah wrote:in some people's eyes their club can do no wrong.

Exactly. Yours!

Indeed indeed

so where are the predictions, i see sid,tommy and off course guillem will soon follow suit picking real for the league. what say you.

i personally think they are going to get relegated, you can quote me on that.

He is a student of the Clive Woodward approach, the aggregation of marginal gains. Anyone, he believes, can be coached into a winning team. Indeed, when he arrived at Chelsea, he told his star-struck new employer that none of the stellar names on the shopping list would be required. The only big name needed at the club was his own: Jose Mourinho. The coach was all that mattered.

Yet, here are Barcelona insisting that it is the players who produce victory. Of course, we all know at the back of our mind that their transcendent midfield has been coached incessantly since its members were barely able to walk, yet the consensus is that there is something pure, natural, unsullied about them. This is the joyful manifestation of pure football. We speak of a Barca of Iniesta, Xavi and Messi, not Sep Guardiola. How many times is the idea that anyone could coach this team to success proposed?

For Mourinho, that is heresy. To be obliged to watch the team of the player relentlessly get the better of the team of the coach, no matter how much he studies and plans, cuts to the heart of his belief. On Wednesday night he saw his very purpose being dismantled. And clearly it hurt. Almost as much as having someone’s finger shoved in your eye.

sums him up nicely.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/la-liga/8709412/Jim-White-Jose-Mourinho-losing-control-as-Barcelona-show-up-his-flawed-approach-with-Real-Madrid.html

Messiah wrote:so where are the predictions, i see sid,tommy and off course guillem will soon follow suit picking real for the league. what say you.

i personally think they are going to get relegated, you can quote me on that.

Are you talking about Tommy Smyth with a y?

Messiah wrote:

He is a student of the Clive Woodward approach, the aggregation of marginal gains. Anyone, he believes, can be coached into a winning team. Indeed, when he arrived at Chelsea, he told his star-struck new employer that none of the stellar names on the shopping list would be required. The only big name needed at the club was his own: Jose Mourinho. The coach was all that mattered.

Yet, here are Barcelona insisting that it is the players who produce victory. Of course, we all know at the back of our mind that their transcendent midfield has been coached incessantly since its members were barely able to walk, yet the consensus is that there is something pure, natural, unsullied about them. This is the joyful manifestation of pure football. We speak of a Barca of Iniesta, Xavi and Messi, not Sep Guardiola. How many times is the idea that anyone could coach this team to success proposed?

For Mourinho, that is heresy. To be obliged to watch the team of the player relentlessly get the better of the team of the coach, no matter how much he studies and plans, cuts to the heart of his belief. On Wednesday night he saw his very purpose being dismantled. And clearly it hurt. Almost as much as having someone’s finger shoved in your eye.

sums him up nicely.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/la-liga/8709412/Jim-White-Jose-Mourinho-losing-control-as-Barcelona-show-up-his-flawed-approach-with-Real-Madrid.html

I find it silly that reporters find it silly that Jose enjoys ppl talking about him and they are the ones with the report. I have stopped listening to him and reading articles about him since his Chelsea days. These reporters have a choice either they write about him or they dont simply as.

Island Girl wrote:What La Liga needs right now is another coach like Rafa in the mix.

this and 4 billion euro

Looks like the second matchday will have to be postponed also as the strike continues.

Let's not forget that after the season, Euro 2012 awaits. If it continues like this, it's going to be one hell of a congested schedule for La Liga clubs and some extra burden for the internationals.