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La Liga 2011/12 Season Thread
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If both clubs are not disgusted by the margins, then there's something deeply wrong. That Valdano suggestion was laughable. If that is the mindset, then god help this league.
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if la liga is to do a EPL type TV deal
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the recent gulf in class between the top two and the rest is a very recent thing, in fact as recent as 10/11 season, but everything change when barca won the treble and beat real 6-2 in the classico.
in 08/09 the top 3 finished
87-78-70 is a balanced distribution of points between the top three.
But after barca handed real their asses on a plate
Real went out and spent something like 200 million in one summer to assemble a super squad and compete with them. then we saw the 99-96-71 fucking barbaric points total of 09/10, and then the equally mental 96-92-71 of last season.
really, looking at these totals, it becomes apparent that La Liga's competitive inequality is less about TV money and more about Messi and Cristiano. the ridiculous goalscoring exploits of these two over the last couple of years - Cristiano has 86 in that period, Messi 100 (one hundred goals in two years ffs!) - is what has made the difference in Barcelona and Real destroying the smaller teams and racking up such huge points totals.
financial inequality does exist and does need to be addressed but unless clubs like atletico,sevilla and valencia to name a few get their houses in order and a new TV taking half of Barça's and Madrid's TV money would stop Messi from being the best player in the World or Cristiano from scoring goals for fun, it won't change much in La Liga.
in 08/09 the top 3 finished
87-78-70 is a balanced distribution of points between the top three.
But after barca handed real their asses on a plate
Real went out and spent something like 200 million in one summer to assemble a super squad and compete with them. then we saw the 99-96-71 fucking barbaric points total of 09/10, and then the equally mental 96-92-71 of last season.
really, looking at these totals, it becomes apparent that La Liga's competitive inequality is less about TV money and more about Messi and Cristiano. the ridiculous goalscoring exploits of these two over the last couple of years - Cristiano has 86 in that period, Messi 100 (one hundred goals in two years ffs!) - is what has made the difference in Barcelona and Real destroying the smaller teams and racking up such huge points totals.
financial inequality does exist and does need to be addressed but unless clubs like atletico,sevilla and valencia to name a few get their houses in order and a new TV taking half of Barça's and Madrid's TV money would stop Messi from being the best player in the World or Cristiano from scoring goals for fun, it won't change much in La Liga.
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The gap between top & bottom reduced from 128 million to 42 million. That looks far less disgusting.
That looks far less disgusting.
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I don't think it is just Messi and Ronaldo. It is not as if Real Madrid and Barcelona just now had two of the best players in the league. But when the other teams had a high calibre of players, especially when Madrid and Barcelona would play away, the games were more competitive. Now we always win on the road (except maybe in Riazor or when we go to Pamplona). Same with you. Maybe Espanyol will draw or beat you once in a while but that's it. Almost all of the teams in la liga have negative net spending in every transfer window except Real Madrid, Barcelona, and now Malaga. What if Valencia could have kept Villa, Silva, and Mata and been able to buy some defenders which they very badly needed without having to sell their best players to get them? The TV money will definitely help these other clubs. So will other sheikhs. But to me it is a shame that f*cking Stoke can spend more money on players than Villarreal.
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I still think the problem is that this Barcelona side along with RM are far far better than the ones that they had previously, especially Barcelona.
Valencia was strong before Mata, and Silva and Villa and....Sevilla is on the same scale, Villareall is even better than before, AM is shit as usual.
The way that i see it, it's more about the mentality of the other teams. They see us as invincible and often they don't even try to play and they just surrender. Hell, even RM was doing the same until the last couple of games.
10-20 millions more wont do any change in the standings, at least that's my opinion, although it would be fair if the money is split in more equal way.
Valencia was strong before Mata, and Silva and Villa and....Sevilla is on the same scale, Villareall is even better than before, AM is shit as usual.
The way that i see it, it's more about the mentality of the other teams. They see us as invincible and often they don't even try to play and they just surrender. Hell, even RM was doing the same until the last couple of games.
10-20 millions more wont do any change in the standings, at least that's my opinion, although it would be fair if the money is split in more equal way.
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Jaimito el Crack wrote:I don't think it is just Messi and Ronaldo. It is not as if Real Madrid and Barcelona just now had two of the best players in the league. But when the other teams had a high calibre of players, especially when Madrid and Barcelona would play away, the games were more competitive. Now we always win on the road (except maybe in Riazor or when we go to Pamplona). Same with you. Maybe Espanyol will draw or beat you once in a while but that's it. Almost all of the teams in la liga have negative net spending in every transfer window except Real Madrid, Barcelona, and now Malaga. What if Valencia could have kept Villa, Silva, and Mata and been able to buy some defenders which they very badly needed without having to sell their best players to get them? The TV money will definitely help these other clubs. So will other sheikhs. But to me it is a shame that f*cking Stoke can spend more money on players than Villarreal.
TV money wouldn't go much to help valencia,valencia are suffering from the stupid actions of Soler and the fact that the real estate market went bust when they were trying to sell their old ground, if that hadn 't happen, valencia would still be the alternative to real and barca in la liga, thats down to them and no one else.
people need to realize that the EPL is taking in 2 time what la liga is, so even with a more equitable distribution of the TV money, if its that alone we are focusing on and ignoring all the other variables, stoke will still be out spending villarreal.
what the clubs should be doing instead of trying to kill barca and real for being successful, is ask why didn't the LFP build on the liga brand when it was clearly the best and most poplular league in europe from the late 90's to the early 00's.
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Perhaps Valencia is not the best example due to their unique problems with the building of the Nou Mestalla. However, a club like Villarreal perhaps with a bit more disposable income would not only be able to keep Cazorla but also add to it the players they really needed (i.e. a left back, another CM, another AM). This is a team that has been in the CL on a fairly regular basis and it is getting outspent by the majority of EPL teams that were just missing relegation. Maybe it does not solve all the problems but a different distribution of TV money would help and I think it is silly to believe it would make zero difference.
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Ostrich, Head dug in the sand..
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Messiah wrote:if la liga is to do a EPL type TV deal
Fade out wrote:The gap between top & bottom reduced from 128 million to 42 million.
Really? If that's what the distribution is going to be like after the new model, it looks even more disastrous to me. A drop in revenue of 80m for Barça and Madrid? The two clubs will basically cease to function...they will have to drastically reduce their wages/quality of the squad, and this will take Spain significantly backwards in Europe. The league's strength will be behind the likes of Holland and France.
And Valencia and Atletico are going to earn *less*, while Sevilla and Villarreal hardly get any increase. Whereas they are the ones bleating on the most about this "unfairness". Based on those numbers, the new model would be fucking stupidity.
A new model has to be one that brings the smaller clubs *up* and closer to the Big two, not bring the entire league *down* and closer to the small teams
Sid Lowe's recent article (one of innumerable articles on this theme from every journalist out there
) makes a good point if you think about it - most clubs in the league don't even sell out their stadiums for games. Atletico can't, Espanyol can't, and obviously none of the small clubs do. Only when the play Barça and Madrid are the stadiums full.Half of them can't attract shirt sponsors. Why don't they try sorting these things out first before claiming they deserve more TV money and that will be a magical fix to their problems?
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Big teams cutting out on spending & wages would definitely improve the likelihood of stars staying in their respective clubs & dilution of talent to all clubs. It also stops the perverse spending of Madrid & Barca on likes of Kaka & Ibra. The need to be astute & live by the means. Simple as that.
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fcb wrote:Messiah wrote:if la liga is to do a EPL type TV dealFade out wrote:The gap between top & bottom reduced from 128 million to 42 million.
Really? If that's what the distribution is going to be like after the new model, it looks even more disastrous to me. A drop in revenue of 80m for Barça and Madrid? The two clubs will basically cease to function...they will have to drastically reduce their wages/quality of the squad, and this will take Spain significantly backwards in Europe. The league's strength will be behind the likes of Holland and France.
And Valencia and Atletico are going to earn *less*, while Sevilla and Villarreal hardly get any increase. Whereas they are the ones bleating on the most about this "unfairness". Based on those numbers, the new model would be fucking stupidity.
A new model has to be one that brings the smaller clubs *up* and closer to the Big two, not bring the entire league *down* and closer to the small teams
Sid Lowe's recent article (one of innumerable articles on this theme from every journalist out there
Half of them can't attract shirt sponsors. Why don't they try sorting these things out first before claiming they deserve more TV money and that will be a magical fix to their problems?
At least someone gets it, people are focusing on the wrong thing here when they talk about TV money, they mention it because its the easiest thing to "fix", what would happen the team at the bottom gets all of 7 millions euros more, in the case of valencia and atletico they get less, sevilla and villarreal get around 5 million more, yeah like that would have stopped them from selling their best players or be able to compete with barca and real any better.
Its the entire league and its organization and marketability that needs to be looked at, when La liga and do a EPL and get close to 1 billion euros for its TV deal then they can talk about a equal distribution of the TV money.
Even with that, who is to say del niro will not continue to use the money to clear off his personal debts, this is a man that had got over 100m euros for the sale of players like alves,ramos and Bastista where did that money go.
will the new tv deal stop atletico from continuing to live as if they are money of the big boys and stop spending crazy money on players every season.
its the management of these clubs that have held them back over the past couple of seasons and the lack of future planning from the LFP, not real and barca, people are acting like these club stole the money they are getting are something.
the worst of it, is if barca and real where to give up their money and become less competitive in europe, its these same fans who are trying to find the easy solution to la liga's problem that will be crying in a few years mark my words.
is the concursal law. Debts of bankrupt clubs are paid by all the clubs in the league.Clubs which are operated carefully and are without any debts like Villarreal have to pay for these bankrupt teams. There is no consequences for a Spanish football club that goes bankrupt.No points are deducted and no relegations occur. This is a disgraceful law because declaring a Spanish football club bankrupt is therefore by far the easiest way of getting out of debt.
its thing like this that needs to be addressed, before we address the TV money, which also needs to be addressed, but thats a bit down the line
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Some interesting game for this match weekend
Real Sociedad v Barcelona
Villarreal v Sevilla
Real Madrid v Getafe
Valencia v Atlético Madrid
Sunday
Betis v Mallorca
Racing v Levante
Osasuna v Sporting
Rayo Vallecano v Zaragoza
Espanyol v Athletic Bilbao
Monday
Málaga v Granada
Real Sociedad v Barcelona
Villarreal v Sevilla
Real Madrid v Getafe
Valencia v Atlético Madrid
Sunday
Betis v Mallorca
Racing v Levante
Osasuna v Sporting
Rayo Vallecano v Zaragoza
Espanyol v Athletic Bilbao
Monday
Málaga v Granada
Jaime- Number of posts : 32027
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Messiah wrote:Some interesting game for this match weekend
Real Sociedad v Barcelona
Villarreal v Sevilla
Real Madrid v Getafe
Valencia v Atlético Madrid
Sunday
Betis v Mallorca
Racing v Levante
Osasuna v Sporting
Rayo Vallecano v Zaragoza
Espanyol v Athletic Bilbao
Monday
Málaga v Granada
Saturday should be a great day in!
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Guardiola rests Messi, Iniesta, and Villa. Cesc starts as the false 9. This is exciting...possibly the first season for Pep where he rotates and doesn't have a clearly defined starting 11? Let's see if they win though. Should be straightforward, even with the FIFA virus.
Edit: also glad to see Fontas starting. This is exactly the level of game where he needs to prove himself.
Edit: also glad to see Fontas starting. This is exactly the level of game where he needs to prove himself.
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Just noticed that Villarreal-Sevilla is on at the same time
Yes, TV money will definitely magically solve all the problems, not better administration at both club and league level
Yes, TV money will definitely magically solve all the problems, not better administration at both club and league level
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quick feet and thinking by sanchez 1-0 xavi with the goal
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Xavi and Alexis both break from midfield, Cesc chips a ball over the top, Alexis squares to Xavi, and goal!
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Again, Cesc breaks behind the defense, chipped ball in, Cesc squares to Pedro who tries to finish but the keeper saves, and Cesc scores from the rebound.
0-2. La Real can't handle the movement.
0-2. La Real can't handle the movement.
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I've started a petition for you lot to go and plan in the Andorran 1st division.
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Jaimito el Crack wrote:I've started a petition for you lot to go and plan in the Andorran 1st division.
Meanwhile you can enjoy yourself by playing endless rounds with Atletico, Getafe, and Rayo Vallecano. Then we'll meet at the end of the season in a "Super Duper Awesome Huge World Championship Bowl Series", America style
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Clumsy home defender injures Alexis
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fcb wrote:Jaimito el Crack wrote:I've started a petition for you lot to go and plan in the Andorran 1st division.
Meanwhile you can enjoy yourself by playing endless rounds with Atletico, Getafe, and Rayo Vallecano. Then we'll meet at the end of the season in a "Super Duper Awesome Huge World Championship Bowl Series", America style
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Clumsy home defender injures Alexis
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Meanwhile it is 1-1 in the Madrigal. Anyone got a good stream?
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2-2
What a turn around! Appalling backpass from Villa to create the goal.
Even in conceding the goal Busquets is a cheating little shit. The referee could easily have sent him off and given the penalty, but decided to allow the goal to stand. I still think Busquets would have deserved a yellow for deliberately cheating, even if allowing the goal made it difficult to then show a red card.
What a turn around! Appalling backpass from Villa to create the goal.
Even in conceding the goal Busquets is a cheating little shit. The referee could easily have sent him off and given the penalty, but decided to allow the goal to stand. I still think Busquets would have deserved a yellow for deliberately cheating, even if allowing the goal made it difficult to then show a red card.
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Wasters.
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He should indeed get booked for deliberate handball despite opposing team scoring.Sheffield gunner wrote:2-2
What a turn around! Appalling backpass from Villa to create the goal.
Even in conceding the goal Busquets is a cheating little shit. The referee could easily have sent him off and given the penalty, but decided to allow the goal to stand. I still think Busquets would have deserved a yellow for deliberately cheating, even if allowing the goal made it difficult to then show a red card.
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I guess the only good thing about the draw is that it will stop the "La Liga is the new Scotland" nonsense for a while. Especially if Getafe somehow hang on or improve on the current 1-1 at halftime at the Bernabeu. But obviously, that's pretty unlikely, barring some similar complacency/stupidity from Madrid's players.
Disappointing result for Barça though, considering the start...even though it's normal to see Barça drop points after an int'l break. FIFA
Disappointing result for Barça though, considering the start...even though it's normal to see Barça drop points after an int'l break. FIFA
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