Iniesta is better than Zidane

Exceling in a shit generation, Yay!

To be THE player of a golden generation of Dutch, Italian, Portugal, Argentina, Brazil R's. Not to forget that England too were much more stronger. A traditionally equipped German base. So much for Xavi-Iniesta to excel in generation of 'DPL dominance', while Zidane was star of much stronger Italian/Spanish league. To believe certain planks would belive that it's all because of 1 or 2 goals he scored, not because he genuinely dominated his opponents (great opponents at that like Maldini, Ashley Cole, Effenberg, Roy Keane, Cocu, Luis Enrique, Davids, Mauro Silva.. I could go. A-Z of football greats), not Khedira, Lass, Fletcher, Carrick, Diaby, Alex Song, Motta.

Iniesta 462 46 63 (includes Spain)
Xavi 690 77 93 (includes Spain)

Zidane - App 681 Goals 128 Assists ~ 100

To consistency

Fade out wrote: To be THE player of a golden generation of Dutch, Italian, Portugal, Argentina, Brazil R's. Not to forget that England too were much more stronger. A traditionally equipped German base. So much for Xavi-Iniesta to excel in generation of 'DPL dominance', while Zidane was star of much stronger Italian/Spanish league. To believe certain planks would belive that it's all because of 1 or 2 goals he scored, not because he genuinely dominated his opponents (great opponents at that like Maldini, Ashley Cole, Effenberg, Roy Keane, Cocu, Luis Enrique, Davids, Mauro Silva.. I could go. A-Z of football greats), not Khedira, Lass, Fletcher, Carrick, Diaby, Alex Song, Motta.

Brazilian Ronaldo was twice the player Zidane was.Zidane was lucky Ronaldo got injured so he could compete.Zidane got outshone by Rui Costa in Serie A,selective memories ftw!

Xavi >>>Iniesta >>> Zidane. Case closed.

I fail to see the point in arguing with someone who thinks Cabaye is on the same level as Xavi and Pirlo.

#ignore

Zidane had awesome pes stats.

Super Balenced wrote:

Fade out wrote: To be THE player of a golden generation of Dutch, Italian, Portugal, Argentina, Brazil R's. Not to forget that England too were much more stronger. A traditionally equipped German base. So much for Xavi-Iniesta to excel in generation of 'DPL dominance', while Zidane was star of much stronger Italian/Spanish league. To believe certain planks would belive that it's all because of 1 or 2 goals he scored, not because he genuinely dominated his opponents (great opponents at that like Maldini, Ashley Cole, Effenberg, Roy Keane, Cocu, Luis Enrique, Davids, Mauro Silva.. I could go. A-Z of football greats), not Khedira, Lass, Fletcher, Carrick, Diaby, Alex Song, Motta.

Brazilian Ronaldo was twice the player Zidane was.Zidane was lucky Ronaldo got injured so he could compete.Zidane got outshone by Rui Costa in Serie A,selective memories ftw!

What does this have to do with Fade Out's point?

Jaime wrote:

Super Balenced wrote:

Fade out wrote: To be THE player of a golden generation of Dutch, Italian, Portugal, Argentina, Brazil R's. Not to forget that England too were much more stronger. A traditionally equipped German base. So much for Xavi-Iniesta to excel in generation of 'DPL dominance', while Zidane was star of much stronger Italian/Spanish league. To believe certain planks would belive that it's all because of 1 or 2 goals he scored, not because he genuinely dominated his opponents (great opponents at that like Maldini, Ashley Cole, Effenberg, Roy Keane, Cocu, Luis Enrique, Davids, Mauro Silva.. I could go. A-Z of football greats), not Khedira, Lass, Fletcher, Carrick, Diaby, Alex Song, Motta.

Brazilian Ronaldo was twice the player Zidane was.Zidane was lucky Ronaldo got injured so he could compete.Zidane got outshone by Rui Costa in Serie A,selective memories ftw!

What does this have to do with Fade Out's point?

He said Zidane was THE golden player of his generation when it was clearly Ronaldo.

Zidane e la Juve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHcUDLYY5Sk&feature=channel&list=UL

Although you could see match compilations in earlier link, where you see nuances on game-by-game basis of Zidane's midfield control with his position, touch, movement, pass and ball maneuvering.

In his 5 seasons at Juve. He had two great seasons (96-97 and 00-01) and very good seasons in between. Definitely not inconsistent And it's a league veteran like Roberto Mancini who really was the player that outshone Zidane in his early years.

If you really believe Zidane couldn't make through passes after all the video evidence, you must be really thick. And a troll.

Ok I'll give you some of those points but you have to admit Fade that Baggio outshone Zidane when they both played at Juventus.

christmasborocooper wrote:Zidane had awesome pes stats.

Get the stats out, lets compare Zidane, Xavi and Iniesta. It's the best way to compare players since the stat makers aka Worms are some of the best informed unemployed kids around

WHERE ARE THE STATS

Super Progress 2012 wrote:Ok I'll give you some of those points but you have to admit Fade that Baggio outshone Zidane when they both played at Juventus.

Fade out wrote:Iniesta 462 46 63 (includes Spain)
Xavi 690 77 93 (includes Spain)

Zidane - App 681 Goals 128 Assists ~ 100

To consistency

If the nuances of video compilations doesn't do it, let's go back to Mr.Inconsistent in End Product Zinedine Zidane !

damn i deleted my post. anyways the short of it.
Messi:all time great
dinho:see above
villa:spain's best ever striker
eto's: probably africa`s best ever player
C.Ronaldo: pisses on most players of the 90's.
Pirlo

I could go on so get the fuck outa here with that shit. we always look back on players with rose glasses, as we only remember the great moments. unlike players we see everyday and can pick out thier every flaw

A great example of us look back at players in rose tilted glasses, can be seen using Alves as am example. he is probably as good as any fullback in the last 20 years, and not just for what he did at barca but sevilla as well, but if one were to mention this they would get laughed at.

They would say X player is much better than alves defensively, ignoring that alves for one is a great defender and two is in all likelihood much better than player X offensively so it balances it self out.

football today is much more about the unit than the individual, Which is why it’s so difficult to compare players even across decades, the sport changes to rapidly.

Also for all this talk of great generation it was this holland team that made it to the CW final because of better TEAM play. its this spanish team that has won it all, when no one thought they could, thinking previous generations had better player. chelsea, inter, even barca put more emphasis on the team.

Finally when did zidane become the golden player of is generation. When did he become better than ronaldo, because i missed the memo.
if we were to break down football into little 10 year or 5 year segments for the 80, zidane would not be mention ar the best player of his generation not even my his biggest fan boys. late 90's to early 00's it was RONALDO. and after that dinho.early to mid 00's

messiah wrote:damn i deleted my post. anyways the short of it.
Messi:all time great
dinho:see above
villa:spain's best ever striker
eto's: probably africa`s best ever player
C.Ronaldo: pisses on most players of the 90's.
Pirlo

I could go on so get the fuck outa here with that shit. we always look back on players with rose glasses, as we only remember the great moments. unlike players we see everyday and can pick out thier every flaw

A great example of us look back at players in rose tilted glasses, can be seen using Alves as am example. he is probably as good as any fullback in the last 20 years, and not just for what he did at barca but sevilla as well, but if one were to mention this they would get laughed at.

They would say X player is much better than alves defensively, ignoring that alves for one is a great defender and two is in all likelihood much better than player X offensively so it balances it self out.

football today is much more about the unit than the individual, Which is why it’s so difficult to compare players even across decades, the sport changes to rapidly.

Also for all this talk of great generation it was this holland team that made it to the CW final because of better TEAM play. its this spanish team that has won it all, when no one thought they could, thinking previous generations had better player. chelsea, inter, even barca put more emphasis on the team.

Finally when did zidane become the golden player of is generation. When did he become better than ronaldo, because i missed the memo.
if we were to break down football into little 10 year or 5 year segments for the 80, zidane would not be mention ar the best player of his generation not even my his biggest fan boys. late 90's to early 00's it was RONALDO. and after that dinho.early to mid 00's

Rivaldo was better than Zidane from 99 - 2001 as well.

So I guess that staying at the top for 10-12 years and still being at your best at 34 counts nothing.

Ronaldo can be excused, without those shattering injuries he could very well have been the best ever, but Ronaldinho has only to thank his own pansyness for the fact that it's only Barca fans that put him at the top of the list.

Being the best three-seasons wonder ever seen is a very remarkable feat on its own, but for me that's not even enough to be regarded as the best of his generation.

abundance wrote:So I guess that staying at the top for 10-12 years and still being at your best at 34 counts nothing.

Ronaldo can be excused, without those shattering injuries he could very well have been the best ever, but Ronaldinho has only to thank his own pansyness for the fact that it's only Barca fans that put him at the top of the list.

Being the best three-seasons wonder ever seen is a very remarkable feat on its own, but for me that's not even enough to be regarded as the best of his generation.

do you remember how well he played leading up to the world cup?

Its that kind of thing the really grinds my gears, he plays a few good games and all of a sudden he was class until he retired, he was good and but great for a good 2-3 years before the world cup.

As it relates to dinho who was better than him

03-07(that's right 07 were he carried the team on his back, only losing the title on head to head, think he scored 20 goals and had 22 assist that season).

messiah wrote:

abundance wrote:So I guess that staying at the top for 10-12 years and still being at your best at 34 counts nothing.

Ronaldo can be excused, without those shattering injuries he could very well have been the best ever, but Ronaldinho has only to thank his own pansyness for the fact that it's only Barca fans that put him at the top of the list.

Being the best three-seasons wonder ever seen is a very remarkable feat on its own, but for me that's not even enough to be regarded as the best of his generation.

do you remember how well he played leading up to the world cup?

Its that kind of thing the really grinds my gears, he plays a few good games and all of a sudden he was class until he retired, he was good and but great for a good 2-3 years before the world cup.

As it relates to dinho who was better than him

03-07(that's right 07 were he carried the team on his back, only losing the title on head to head, think he scored 20 goals and had 22 assist that season).

The Zidane effect.

A funny thing about Zidane and his 10 years of class and dinho and his 3 is this

Zidane

3 league titles
1 CL
1 WC
1 euro championship

Dinho
2 league titles
1 CL
1 WC
1 Copa

Dinho is another one who would contribute more to his teams success over the course of a season than zidane, who its seems would take a mini vacation during the league to save his legs I guess, so it lasted longer than most.

la liga table 4 years leading to the world cup

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_La_Liga

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_La_Liga

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_La_Liga

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_La_Liga

You have to respect him, because he did manage to maintain his form into his 30's but it wasn't set the world a light levels

Xavi pirlo and seedorf at 32 is more class that zidane at the same age.

Zidane stopped making me job out of my seat at 30/31

I think Zidane is like Baggio, you remember their careers built on defining and magical moments rather than having their reputations built by titles,

Zidane was magnificent, graceful, elegant, couldn't give a shit about his consistency, he delivered massive moments in massive games,

Pirlo wrote:I think Zidane is like Baggio, you remember their careers built on defining and magical moments rather than having their reputations built by titles,

Zidane was magnificent, graceful, elegant, couldn't give a shit about his consistency, he delivered massive moments in massive games,

This is true, but when you are going to compare him to someone who shares a lot of those qualities including the massive games.

then what will be the deciding factor?. its consistency for me.

Pirlo wrote:I think Zidane is like Baggio, you remember their careers built on defining and magical moments rather than having their reputations built by titles,

Zidane was magnificent, graceful, elegant, couldn't give a shit about his consistency, he delivered massive moments in massive games,

So do players like Iniesta and Xavi,but they have consistency also.

In the comparison with Dinho, my defining memory of Zidane is him absolutely bossing the game against Brazil, which France won, whilst Dinho was at his peak.

Hlebagone wrote:In the comparison with Dinho, my defining memory of Zidane is him absolutely bossing the game against Brazil, which France won, whilst Dinho was at his peak.

the game dinho was being played out of position in a magic square formation, playing behind the likes of kaka who was given the key to be the creative force of the team.

we can't look at this in bubbles.

Thats being said, zidane really rolled back the years in that game.

but dinho's poor form at the world cup was down to Parreira shit tactics.

The stupidity of playing kaka further forward than dinho
The playing of two completely immobile strikers who just stands their waiting for the ball to come to them.

though i didn't say dinho was better than him, just he was the best of his generation, (henry,kaka's, sheva's and the likes)

also the dinho fan could point to the 3-0 clasico, that dinho owned him,and actually won the title at the end

Super Progress 2012 wrote:I would like to see him delivering more on the big stage and I can remember his performances against the typical strong and defensive sides he looked out of it. He scored a great goal against Chelsea but it was a terrible performance by him and it was hardly the first time under those settings. I also think Jaime is right about Silva being up there. I was never that big a fan of Silva but he has really impressed me in his time in City and especially in his first season where he was playing for a team that was very defensive and he was basically doing it all on his own. Same reason I'm more impressed with Zidane for France than Zidane for Real Madrid. It was obvious watching France that they just relied on him to such a great extent and he thrived with that pressure. Given his past performances I have my doubts that Iniesta would be able to do the same but he certainly has improved his finishing although I don't think he will ever be as decisive as Zidane.

It is a Curse of Valencia worthy to ignore his play for Valencia!

Not this Valencia curse shit again.

Jaime wrote:... And Zidane actually used to do everything that Iniesta does PLUS everything that Xavi does. So nice try but Zizou > Iniesta.