Iniesta is better than Zidane

Zidane used to control every game by making over 100 passes? Because I remember him fading in and out of games.

Lusitan wrote:

Jaime wrote:... And Zidane actually used to do everything that Iniesta does PLUS everything that Xavi does. So nice try but Zizou > Iniesta.

Xavi shares playmaking+control responsibility with Iniesta, OTOH Zidane was doing a lot MORE on his OWN. Also the difference in terms of touch passing and cleverness of Busquets compared to Makelele (still a legend despite limitations of his role, no wonder after he was sold, we struggled a lot with tripes like Gravesen and Diarra), it's a HUGE retarded cluster fuck how a cretinous moron is allowed to make blanket statements like 'I remember him fading in and out of games'.

we are having a laugh when we say he could do all that xavi did right.
a serious laugh at that

On Zinedine Zidane, teammate of Ronaldinho, Xavi said: “In my opinion, Zidane was the best player in the world during the period in which he played – from 1995 until 2006 – and he is one of the best players of all time. It is a real pleasure to see him play and perform."

if one were to ask him about dinho, he would say he was the best player in the world when he played with us and changed barca history. why because he has said it so many times. so........

i'm also certain he didnt say 95 to 06, someone clearly made that up

Yeah, but Xavi's a moron when it comes to all things Real, so for him to conceded categorically that zidane was player of the generation must take some doing. Memories of Zidane schooling him until 2006 must be the reason.

I want Pirlos babys wrote:Zidane used to control every game by making over 100 passes? Because I remember him fading in and out of games.

You must have a terrible memory then.

The problem with this whole thread is that it should be is that Zidane did the job of both Xavi and Iniesta all by himself.

Everyone sees the game in his own way: Maradona said he was surprised to see Zidane spectacular moves despite his big size, Ayala emphasizes on the way he controlled the ball… How would you describe his game?
(After a long sigh) For me, Zidane is the best player in the world that spans the decade from 1995 to 2005-2006, and is one of the best players in the history of this sport. To see him play in itself is a real spectacle. He knew everything: he plays with his right as well as with his left foot, he can dribble, shoot at goal, he is good with his head. He is one of the most complete players I’ve seen in my life.

Do you have a story to tell us about Zizou? You often had him as an opponent. He never lets anything gets past him on a football pitch. It’s true when they say he didn’t lose a lot of balls for even when I managed to steal a ball from him, he would never accept it. He would suddenly become a true warrior. Many people failed to notice that but on the pitch Zidane is very aggressive, very strong physically.

The ‘warrior’ comment will appeal to many Algerians whose national team players are called the “Warriors of the desert”…
(Laughing) It is probably his Algerian origins. No not really, in addition to his technical qualities, Zidane had a defensive quality and he can defend well. He was indeed a true Algerian warrior on the pitch.

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Zidane as a complete player must be news to you, too..

Jaime wrote:

I want Pirlos babys wrote:Zidane used to control every game by making over 100 passes? Because I remember him fading in and out of games.

You must have a terrible memory then.

The problem with this whole thread is that it should be is that Zidane did the job of both Xavi and Iniesta all by himself.

People forget that Zidane shared a lot of midfield work, even defensively he worked hard (As Xavi aforementioned). It was easy for people to confuse Zidane's position, I have seen a lot of times, the formation having Zidane-Makele together and Mcman-Raul-Figo ahead, precisely because Zidane was involved, ALWAYS involved in play with LOADS of touches and passing.

He carried the playmaking and control duties of French Midfield from 95-2006.

1996: (Euro Semis)
----Deschamps*
--Geurin----Karembeu**---Zidane

*-Desailly,**-Lamouchi in Semis

1998: (WC win)
-----Deschamps
---Petit-----Karembeu
----------------------Zidane

2000: (Euro win)
----Vieira----Deschamps
--------Zidane----

2006: (WC finals)
--Vieira-----Makelele
--------Zidane-

What would have been failures with any other players in place of him, he made it seem very 'entertaining'. Ask Pierre! He'll tell everyone how defensively it was equipped with lack of true DLPs, playmaking MFs at our expense.

No one, bar Maradona, could compensate Zidane's importance to how we played and dominated.

ok ok shit is get serious now. we are questioning xavi. and damn it i only have my phone.
1) i dont see how xavi would remember zidane owning him, when zidane own all of 1 liga title.
2) they are different players who played in different positions. but no one can do what xavi does i cant even think of one in all my years of watching football. xavi is a system all to himself an ideology. spain and barca will have to change how they play when xavi retires.

Jaime wrote:

I want Pirlos babys wrote:Zidane used to control every game by making over 100 passes? Because I remember him fading in and out of games.

You must have a terrible memory then.

The problem with this whole thread is that it should be is that Zidane did the job of both Xavi and Iniesta all by himself.

Na I think it's easier to believe that you are either deluded or biased like you are with all Madrid players.You are the only person on this board who thinks we(Spain)should start with Alonso and move the best midfielders in the world out of position,therefore your opinion on any Madrid player should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Zidane weren't even the best player for Madrid when he played there injury plagued Ronaldo over shadowed him.

and dont tell me france had to do the same. they play the same basis system. its just that no one can match zidane. xavi was a system a tactic by himself. zidane fitted in one.
lastly. xavi has 77 goals in 600+ games, zidane 128 in 600+. now considering xavi played much deeper throughtout his career it seems is xavi who could do everything that zidane does. plus dicating the pace and tempo of a game in ways zidane could do if he lived 10 life times.
i will try to find the assist numbers as well

Pirlo>>>Zidane as well for me.

Both Xavis and Pirlos passing is well better than Zidane who was very average at passing.

to say zidane could do what xavi does is just delusional

Zz directly schooled Xavi in CL, Liga, WC games they faced each other.

No one cud deny Xavi's or Iniesta's imp, but Zidane was more influential than both for combining both their aspects into one. IOW he has two Xavis on his right foot and three Iniestas on his left.

Ha ha, if Zz wasnt a system, why has France struggled so badly in his absence.

Zz also schools Xaviniesta in end product.

Zz all alone controlled and dictated MF play in systems where they had limited DMs, put him in system of ball playing MFs like Barca and Spain, he'd do even better. If you disagree with this, you are deluded.

brillent counter.
any game zidane "schooled" xavi in was perhaps when xavi was coming up.
zidane is no system, france has struggled because no one they have produced comes close to zidane on the left side

deschamps
petit
viehra
I rest my case

going my what i am seeing zidane could defend, dicate,create and score. what a fucking player not even pele,mara or messi could do all of that, the best player thier has been are ever will be that sounds like. delusial
also why it always france, did he not play with juve and madrid surrounded by so of the best players of thier generation

No rigor.
Unimaginative.
Bland.
Blanket assertions.

You've got no case.

Awaiting one half-decent counter for numerous points raised has proven to be excruciatingly fruitless.

messiah wrote:deschamps

Water carrier.

petit

Shite. You of all people should know this.

viehra

Ok here is the one that was a good player.

I rest my case

And don't for get Claude Makelele who we all know could not complete a pass longer than 5 yards. Your case is rested.

if the zidane fans had to resort to insults in the iniesta debate as you could come up with no substansive reason as to why zidane is better. what chance do you have in the xavi debate when xavi is clearly a better player than iniesta

petit was shit for us not arsenal and france.

@ FO what numerours points have you raised that zidane could defend,played with nothing but shit players and was WC for 11, I dont need to arque against that because its all crap. why would i waste my time.
@ jaime some would say the same about busquets. only passes the ball 5 feet so.....

messiah wrote:@ FO what numerours points have you raised that zidane could defend,played with nothing but shit players and was WC for 11, I dont need to arque against that because its all crap. why would i waste my time.
@ jaime some would say the same about busquets. only passes the ball 5 feet so.....

Yeah but at least Busquets can complete the 5 yard pass. Half the time Makelele just gave the ball away. Zidane literally had to go and take the ball away from him before he f*cked things up.

No one could match your debating skills if you believe Deschamps/Petit/Geremi/Makelele/Gravesen dictated and controlled games. You could have included Karembue and Geurin for heck of it

i will answer them anyways.
WC up on till O6. i replied to that a page back when it came up. he was good but not great 3 years leading up to O6.so...,are did you for get. we are talking about WC for years and not one month in a year after all.
played with worst players that iniest. what was the madrid team he played with called again?. how many greats played with 2x cl finalist juve again?.
could defend. just
out played xavi how many out played ZZ at 25? does that make them better. paul lampert

The Madrid team had no DM post-Makelele. Yeah, he was so shit for Madird prior to that.

As was the fact that he was outshone by Baggio and Luis Suarez when thwey played together at juve.

Deschamps.. was DLP FFS for france, how overrated was Zidane, I am HIV positive that Xavi >>> Iniesta >>>> Victor Valdes >>>> Casillas >> Zidane. Yay!