Iniesta is better than Zidane

You haven't proved Zidane single handidly won those trophies at all.And Zidane didn't control games like Xavi does,hence why all his videos on youtube are only about 3 minutes long excluding highlights and replays compared to Xavies 8 - 10 minutes game time.

You call Messiah a c**t just because he doesn't agree with mindless dogma.

as maradona said in a interview with Gary L, I didnt win it singlehandedly, I was just the best player in the team, the star.
but zidane actually did it almost by himself

Oh, I've been calling Messiah a c**t for being a FCB fan. And worse for lesser crimes.

Here's the crux: Xavi and Iniesta are incredible players, but because they are two pygmies running around a village full of other pygmies all brought up to communicate telepathically and taught to never leave the pygmy village. If you take the pygmy out of his village he may well feel lost and alone.

Zidane was the opposite: a giant unafraid to take a tour out of his comfort zone, a physical specimin who didnt need to rely on anybody, an adaptable trailblazer who could play any style, score any type of goal including aerial rockets, embodying technical perfection.

The giant played the pygmies in 2006. Needless to say the giant came out on top.

To the one armed single handed giant

1998 tie with Italy, Cesar Maldini commented 'I would give up five players to have Zizou in my squad.' Obviously he wasn't influential for us.

Classic out dated English mentality from MWP,no wonder your national team is in a desperate mess.

are we still at the stage where x player is better than y. because y only played in one club. we are clutching here.
guess that fella messi is not that great then.

France would not have won anything without Zidane. Rarely has there been a more obvious natural leader both in performance and character. Im not sure why Worm is pandering the notion we didnt watch him Fadey. Not sure how old he thinks I am the silly sausage

We wouldn't have won anything without Xavi.

what I want the ZZ fans to answer is if he won the CL find almost singlehandedly did he also lose the other two i think singlehandedly

Disco Benny wrote:France would not have won anything without Zidane. Rarely has there been a more obvious natural leader both in performance and character. Im not sure why Worm is pandering the notion we didnt watch him Fadey. Not sure how old he thinks I am the silly sausage

Without Zidane (for 2 out of 3 games and rushed for 3rd game!), we came out of group stages in 2002. And we know what happened in 2008.

We are a shambles without him.. 1 win in 10 games in major tournaments in his absence. Twice eliminated out of group stages. With same base as Vieira/Ribery/Malouda/Henry in 2 tournaments (Shouldn't have been in 1 with Henry's handball!).. So much for Zidane not doing it for us singlehandedly.

Let's learn to ignore the troll. Only a week more, then EMB will heave a long sigh of relief.

messiah wrote:are we still at the stage where x player is better than y. because y only played in one club. we are clutching here.
guess that fella messi is not that great then.

Im not stating anything I say as fact. Merely opinion.

Xavi and Iniesta have played in very comfortable surroundings throughout their careers. Zidane has the additional tickbox of ppaying in a variety of teams a variety of styles and excelled.

Zidane pour moi. Im sure you and worms will not combust over this news, so enjoy life and try not to be too disheartened

Super Balanced wrote:Classic out dated English mentality from MWP,no wonder your national team is in a desperate mess.

Amazing

Fey wrote:Iniesta is overrated!

He wont last that long anyway, suffers too much from injuries!

He will go down in history for what he is, a slighly improved version of Sneijder.

Zidane remains a class above him. I mean he was the ultimate white leader!!

The only way I can see Iniesta become a true legend. If when he dies young, which is a possibility cause he looks really unhealthy to me!

We can only hope though!

Poor Zidane only played with Figo,Ronaldo,Raul,Pires,Viera,Thuram,Henry,Tresequet,Del Piero,Vieri,Di Livio,Carlos,Makelele etc

Poor him

Disco Benny wrote:

Super Balanced wrote:Classic out dated English mentality from MWP,no wonder your national team is in a desperate mess.

Amazing

What?Your sole reason for Zidane been better was because he was better than those "pygmies".

Disco Benny wrote:Xavi and Iniesta have played in very comfortable surroundings throughout their careers. Zidane has the additional tickbox of ppaying in a variety of teams a variety of styles and excelled.

Zidane pour moi. Im sure you and worms will not combust over this news, so enjoy life and try not to be too disheartened

Disheartened they are.

MWP do you like my favorite player?

Super Balanced wrote:Poor Zidane only played with Figo,Ronaldo,Raul,Pires,Viera,Thuram,Henry,Tresequet,Del Piero,Vieri,Di Livio,Carlos,Makelele etc

Poor him

No one to dictate control as I said.

he has won 3 major titles. (euros,WC,CL)
lost 3(wc, 2CL)
did he lose those himself. well he did lose the WC final himself
did iniesta win his 3CL,1WC, 1euro. by himself played boss in all of them
did xavi win his 2CL, 1WC,1euros by himself as well.
bossed all those games

zidane played in all of two top teams in a top league. not 6 or something like that
those two teams were pretty much the best team in the world with world class players. not the most difficult thing now is it

Super Balanced wrote:MWP do you like my favorite player?

Zanetti will always be a poor man's Assoue Ekotto. TFS!!

messiah wrote:he has won 3 major titles. (euros,WC,CL)
lost 3(wc, 2CL)
did he lose those himself. well he did lose the WC final himself
did iniesta win his 3CL,1WC, 1euro. by himself played boss in all of them
did xavi win his 2CL, 1WC,1euros by himself as well.
bossed all those games

zidane played in all of two top teams in a top league. not 6 or something like that
those two teams were pretty much the best team in the world with world class players. not the most difficult thing now is it

So which is it Messiah? Did Iniesta win those by himself or did Xavi win them by himself? It is surely impossible for both of them to have won them on his own?

Fey wrote:Iniesta is overrated!

He wont last that long anyway, suffers too much from injuries!

He will go down in history for what he is, a slighly improved version of Sneijder.

Zidane remains a class above him. I mean he was the ultimate white leader!!

The only way I can see Iniesta become a true legend. If when he dies young, which is a possibility cause he looks really unhealthy to me!

We can only hope though!

Disco Benny wrote:Here's the crux: Xavi and Iniesta are incredible players, but because they are two pygmies running around a village full of other pygmies all brought up to communicate telepathically and taught to never leave the pygmy village. If you take the pygmy out of his village he may well feel lost and alone.

Zidane was the opposite: a giant unafraid to take a tour out of his comfort zone, a physical specimin who didnt need to rely on anybody, an adaptable trailblazer who could play any style, score any type of goal including aerial rockets, embodying technical perfection.

The giant played the pygmies in 2006. Needless to say the giant came out on top.

To the one armed single handed giant

Super Progress 2012 wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Here's the crux: Xavi and Iniesta are incredible players, but because they are two pygmies running around a village full of other pygmies all brought up to communicate telepathically and taught to never leave the pygmy village. If you take the pygmy out of his village he may well feel lost and alone.

Zidane was the opposite: a giant unafraid to take a tour out of his comfort zone, a physical specimin who didnt need to rely on anybody, an adaptable trailblazer who could play any style, score any type of goal including aerial rockets, embodying technical perfection.

The giant played the pygmies in 2006. Needless to say the giant came out on top.

To the one armed single handed giant

This is beautiful

All I have learnt from this tedious thread is Messiah + Worms V the World (minus Catalonia) believes that Iniesta>Zidane

WORMS, BRING OUT THE PES STATS SO WE CAN SETTLE THIS DEBATE

@emp, it neither thats the point no one has ever won anything in a team sport singlehandedly or almost. they're standout players but thats it.



the funny thing in this debate is that no one can come up with a substansive reason why ZZ is better than iniesta. that I count say well iniesta did that too are topped it. its all dogma and little gifs. take waying thier biggest stick him clutchness and they are only left with little insults and gifs

If Iniesta is better than Zidane

then

Why are people saying that he isn't?

Who can you trust?

trust yourself, i am not trying to change anyones opinion.but we should be at a point were we can compare the body of work of two players. and do so substansively and dont get into little gif wars, limiting the comparison to a narrow view that suits our agenda.
can any rational individual sit down and compare the entire career of the two players and say zidane is miles better?

I mean i remember the dinho vs zidane debate a few years ago.
the entire reasoning for zidane being better was that he scored in the WC and CL final. now if i use that line of argument alone, iniesta wins. we dont need to get away from player comparisons, what we need to get away from lame reasoning like messi wasnt good because he didnt score against EPL team.drogba>ibra because scores in the CL, he may well be but thats not the reason why. stop the dogma

I will make my final contribution to trend

Let me start with Xavi who I is think is steps ahead of zidane, Iniesta is more half a step.

Xavi Hernandez affects the performance of his team, in a much more significant way that zidane ever did or was ever capable of him being in a team affects every area of the team

With Xavi in your team, you defense gets better, His style of play is so dominating in midfield, it means the opposition strikers are starved of the ball, thus your defenders job gets a whole lot easier

With him the midfield gets better, I don't think i even need to get in this much, only the biggest of heaters would deny this, his command of the midfield is second to none, he orchestrate everything in midfield.

He improves the final 3rd of the pitch whether it be by making a final pass or the key pass which is a new word to football it seems. he gives your strikers the confidence to make run of run, because they know xavi will find them

and this is not including the part that xavi is more consistent than zidane, i mean when was the last time xavi but in less that a 7 in a game.

Zidane for all his greatness, doesn't make your defense any better, nor does he really him improve your midfield, if you have a shit midfield before zidane you will have one with zidane, evidence of this can be seen in when makelele left madrid, instantly their midfield got worst with zidane in the team, if busquets where to leave barca and we replace him with scott parker, after a while you wouldn't notice the difference and thats not because busquets isn't good, its because xavi is that great.

what zidane does like very few in the history of football, in make the final 3rd of your team instantly better, he could help and team with bent and Ade, win something.

and please don't tell me zidane played with worst players at Juve,madrid and with france or that the players of the 90's were better.

come with something good.

Iniesta is a matter of being just as clutch as zidane if not more so, everything else is pretty even between them, zidane was a much better goal scorer though.

he throws zidane's fanboys best laid plans out of the window and they struggle to come up with any reason zidane was better, because he really wasn't that much better.