Calcio Mercato January 2012

fcb wrote:And why are they after Tevez and his 200k a week wage demands? I thought they were broke...

Exactly what I said... if Inter are just interfering to make life difficult for Milan, and make them overspend, then its awesome & makes perfect sense. But if we actually are trying to buy him, its really really stupid. We just cannot afford him, and if we get him then not only will we have to sell Sneijder, but it will also represent a colossal waste of the money we get from the Sneijder sale.

Murray wrote:

worms wrote:Why are Inter buying another ageing Centre back? Even though Juan is eccellente they would be better off getting someone younger who can fill that position for years,they already have Samuel and Lucio who are both getting on a bit.

They're not, it is a different Juan. He is about 20 and plays for Internacional in Brazil.

Yup, that's right.

Personally, I am not sure why we would go after an unproven talent, when we NEED a CB. Our current CB options basically include two injury prone 33 year olds nearing retirement (Lucio & Samuel), and a 23 yr old work in progress (Ranocchia). I would have thought that an experienced CB should be priority, someone who can slot right in just in case we suffer an injury or two. Someone like Alex would ve been perfect, available on a bargain.

Juan Jesus is a kid playing for Brasil's U20, and may turn out good in a few years time, or may turn out to be another Rivas (=shite). If this is the only CB we are buying, it does not make much sense.

Latest: Sorensen to Bologna on co-ownership, Jonathan loaned to Parma, Biondini to Genoa, Viviano joins Palermo, Nicolas Lopez joins Roma, Mascara & Rinaudo leave Napoli for Novara, Mehmeti to Palermo, Fernandes joins Udinese, Vazquez joins Palermo, Alfaro to Lazio, Juan joins Inter, Borriello to Juve, Gilardino to Genoa, Vargas to Napoli


Rumours in blue

MILAN
IN: Tevez/Maxi Lopez, Ogbonna, Muntari
OUT: El Shaarawy

INTER
IN: Juan Jesus, Kucka, Lucas Moura, Tevez
OUT: Caldirola (loan), Viviano (co-own), Jonathan (loan), Muntari, Castaignos

JUVENTUS
IN: Borriello (Loan), Kolarov, Caceres, Nainggolan, Gabbiadini
OUT: Sorensen (co-own), Amauri, Iaquinta, Krasic, Motta, Toni

ROMA
IN: Nicolas Lopez
OUT: Borriello, Juan, Pizzaro

LAZIO
IN: Alfaro, Parolo
OUT: Sculli

NAPOLI
IN: E Vargas, Palombo, Tomas Sivok, Yacob
OUT: Mascara, Rinaudo

FIORENTINA
IN: Amauri, Candreva
OUT: Gilardino

UDINESE
IN: Gelson Fernandes, Fanchone, Gabriel Silva, Carrasco,
OUT: Sodinha,

PALERMO
IN: Franco Vazquez, Mehmeti, Milanovic, Viviano, Arevalo Rios
OUT: Labrin,

GENOA
IN: Gilardino, Biondini, Sculli
OUT: Caracciolo (loan), Ribas (loan), Kucka

Rumours that we are selling Pato to PSG for 35 M (7 in bonuses).

Also Galliani is in London meeting with City executives for Tevez.

Yeah, 28m up front and 7m in bonuses. And Pato will get a salary of 7m euros a year. That's probably why Milan are agreeing to turn the Tevez deal from a 'loan plus option to buy for 25m in the summer' to a 'loan plus mandatory purchase for 25m in the summer'.

Who is more stupid?

Pato for wanting to go and play in France?

Or, Milan selling him and replacing him with Tevez?

I think they're both nuts.

Yup, stupid transfer all round. How much does Pato earn at Milan? It can't be that much different to 7m, so I don't understand why he wants to go to France.

I guess he's hoping PSG can do something similar to what Man City are doing.... Still, sily transfer.

Murray wrote:Who is more stupid?

Pato for wanting to go and play in France?

Or, Milan selling him and replacing him with Tevez?

I think they're both nuts.

Yup, I think City are the big winners in this transaction.

However, Milan do have a good track record in managing unsettled "trouble" players, so if they do manage to pull it off with Tevez, they will end up with a terrifying strike force - Ibrahimovic, Tevez, Robinho & Cassano. That's as good as anyone's. Coz talent wise, Tevez is far ahead of Pato.

If Milan could replace Seedorf and Zambrotta with young players of that talent, they could start a winning cycle in Europe once again...

On the other hand, with Ibrahimovic, Tevez, Robinho, Cassano, Van Bommel, Mexes, etc, their locker room is a ticking time bomb waiting for a spark to explode... please God, let there be light!

fcb wrote:Yup, stupid transfer all round. How much does Pato earn at Milan? It can't be that much different to 7m, so I don't understand why he wants to go to France.

Pato has issues with Allegri, he even came out openly in the press, which is rare for a Milan player.

Looks like the Tevez deal is as good as done, Moratti just said that Inter have admitted defeat in this pursuit.... or achieved our goal of making it difficult/expensive for Milan...

bluenine wrote:

Murray wrote:Who is more stupid?

Pato for wanting to go and play in France?

Or, Milan selling him and replacing him with Tevez?

I think they're both nuts.

Yup, I think City are the big winners in this transaction.

However, Milan do have a good track record in managing unsettled "trouble" players, so if they do manage to pull it off with Tevez, they will end up with a terrifying strike force - Ibrahimovic, Tevez, Robinho & Cassano. That's as good as anyone's. Coz talent wise, Tevez is far ahead of Pato.

If Milan could replace Seedorf and Zambrotta with young players of that talent, they could start a winning cycle in Europe once again...

On the other hand, with Ibrahimovic, Tevez, Robinho, Cassano, Van Bommel, Mexes, etc, their locker room is a ticking time bomb waiting for a spark to explode... please God, let there be light!

Really?

Romford Pele wrote:I guess he's hoping PSG can do something similar to what Man City are doing.... Still, sily transfer.

It won't be that easy for PSG, as the FFP are now in effect. I am eagerly waiting to see what UEFA do regarding over-the-top sponsorships from related companies, coz if they don't come down hard on those deals, FFP will become redundant. But if they do (as I expect them to), then PSG will have to build at a much slower pace than what City have done...

Romford Pele wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Murray wrote:Who is more stupid?

Pato for wanting to go and play in France?

Or, Milan selling him and replacing him with Tevez?

I think they're both nuts.

Yup, I think City are the big winners in this transaction.

However, Milan do have a good track record in managing unsettled "trouble" players, so if they do manage to pull it off with Tevez, they will end up with a terrifying strike force - Ibrahimovic, Tevez, Robinho & Cassano. That's as good as anyone's. Coz talent wise, Tevez is far ahead of Pato.

If Milan could replace Seedorf and Zambrotta with young players of that talent, they could start a winning cycle in Europe once again...

On the other hand, with Ibrahimovic, Tevez, Robinho, Cassano, Van Bommel, Mexes, etc, their locker room is a ticking time bomb waiting for a spark to explode... please God, let there be light!

Really?

Oh yes, even Milan fans would admit that Pato blows hot & cold... he is just not consistent enough and vanishes from many games. While consistency is not Tevez's strength either, when in form, he has far more intensity and end product to his game.

In hindsight, I meant "quality", not "talent"... Pato could still grow to become a better player, specially under Ancelotti & Leo.

bluenine wrote:

Romford Pele wrote:I guess he's hoping PSG can do something similar to what Man City are doing.... Still, sily transfer.

It won't be that easy for PSG, as the FFP are now in effect. I am eagerly waiting to see what UEFA do regarding over-the-top sponsorships from related companies, coz if they don't come down hard on those deals, FFP will become redundant. But if they do (as I expect them to), then PSG will have to build at a much slower pace than what City have done...

Maybe so, but PSG already have far and away the best first 11 in France in my opinion. If they supplement it with a few decent squad players from within France and their academy, they'll still be in very good shape.

bluenine wrote:

Romford Pele wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Murray wrote:Who is more stupid?

Pato for wanting to go and play in France?

Or, Milan selling him and replacing him with Tevez?

I think they're both nuts.

Yup, I think City are the big winners in this transaction.

However, Milan do have a good track record in managing unsettled "trouble" players, so if they do manage to pull it off with Tevez, they will end up with a terrifying strike force - Ibrahimovic, Tevez, Robinho & Cassano. That's as good as anyone's. Coz talent wise, Tevez is far ahead of Pato.

If Milan could replace Seedorf and Zambrotta with young players of that talent, they could start a winning cycle in Europe once again...

On the other hand, with Ibrahimovic, Tevez, Robinho, Cassano, Van Bommel, Mexes, etc, their locker room is a ticking time bomb waiting for a spark to explode... please God, let there be light!

Really?

Oh yes, even Milan fans would admit that Pato blows hot & cold... he is just not consistent enough and vanishes from many games. While consistency is not Tevez's strength either, when in form, he has far more intensity and end product to his game.

I think in terms of consistency, Tevez is prety decent and is definitely ahead of Pato in that aspect. In terms of natural talent though....

Romford Pele wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Romford Pele wrote:I guess he's hoping PSG can do something similar to what Man City are doing.... Still, sily transfer.

It won't be that easy for PSG, as the FFP are now in effect. I am eagerly waiting to see what UEFA do regarding over-the-top sponsorships from related companies, coz if they don't come down hard on those deals, FFP will become redundant. But if they do (as I expect them to), then PSG will have to build at a much slower pace than what City have done...

Maybe so, but PSG already have far and away the best first 11 in France in my opinion. If they supplement it with a few decent squad players from within France and their academy, they'll still be in very good shape.

For Ligue 1, sure. I agree with you. For CL and challenging the likes of Barca, it will take time... City are much ahead of that ladder, by making huge investments before FFP kicked in...

Romford Pele wrote:
I think in terms of consistency, Tevez is prety decent and is definitely ahead of Pato in that aspect. In terms of natural talent though....

We could debate on "natural talent", but in terms of quality at the mo, Tevez is a better option.

Personally, I think Pato's talent is over rated. Tevez has more talent, if he can sort out his mental issues.

Official communication: Pato is staying.

Tevez negotiations are still ongoing.

What makes it even more stupid is that Tevez is cup tied for the CL.

That leaves Milan with only Ibra, Robinho & Inzaghi

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Official communication: Pato is staying.

Tevez negotiations are still ongoing.

Pato staying makes more sense. Tevez is replacing Cassano in the squad for now (loan deal), and when he gets confirmed in the summer & if Cassano is back, then it makes sense for Milan to sell one striker. Thats probably why its a loan deal for Tevez, with commitment to buy in the summer - always important to watch the cash flows.

If Milan sell Pato now, they will be a striker short again till the summer.

Murray wrote:What makes it even more stupid is that Tevez is cup tied for the CL.

That leaves Milan with only Ibra, Robinho & Inzaghi

Yeah it doesn't make sense. I agree with Blue that this is simply about replacing Cassano otherwise it is a really bad move because of Cl.

Tevez is better than Pato right now. Definitely more consistent plus Pato is very injury prone. The equaliser in Pato's favour is that he's six years younger.

Anyways, now Milannews is reporting that Berlusconi pulled the plug as he does not want Galliani to sell Pato. This supposedly effects the Tevez transfer as well, so they're reporting that that deal is off now as well.

So where does Tevez go now?

Inter are looking the most likely. Or maybe he could go to PSG.

Murray wrote:So where does Tevez go now?

Inter are looking the most likely. Or maybe he could go to PSG.

Possibly PSG, Paris is closer to Argentina than Manchester

I hope its not Inter, we cannot afford him... it would mean the sale of Sneijder for sure. And I value Sneijder more.

Who would buy Sneijder? I don't believe the Man. Utd. rumours, Fergie clearly has no money to spend on anyone over the age of 25...that was established after the Berbatov transfer.

fcb wrote:Who would buy Sneijder? I don't believe the Man. Utd. rumours, Fergie clearly has no money to spend on anyone over the age of 25...that was established after the Berbatov transfer.

We are waiting for Pep to offer Sanchez + 45m...

I think Sneijder's most likely destination will be either Man Utd or Chelsea or some rich Arab club. You never know what might happen in the summer. SAF might realise Cleverly is not ready, Chelsea may decide to spend big for a Lampard replacement, or Inter receive a crazy offer from a oil rich club... or Mou joins some English club and makes an offer... this is football, anything is possible.

Some pics from Inter forum on the latest twist in the Tevez saga

Murray wrote:Who is more stupid?

Pato for wanting to go and play in France?

Or, Milan selling him and replacing him with Tevez?

I think they're both nuts.

nah don't think so, IMHO they're both quite reasonable.
I side with Bluenine, Tevez is an improvement than Pato.

Well, actually to me Tevez >>>>>>> Pato.
And I'm under the impression that Pato could mature to delete most of those ">" signs, but he won't be able to reverse their direction.

Pato has pace and great skills, but that's just a subset of talent.
Footballing brain and what you do without the ball are another big chunk of it, and Pato is really a second tier player in that department.

He's got a decent sense for positioning for goal scoring, but that's all about it.
He doesn't link up well, he doesn't create space for others, he doesn't outwit good defenses, he doesn't cover up smartly on transitions...
He just wanders and cut in hoping for service.

Players like him are justified in a top team only if they bang it in almost every game, and Pato doesn't do that.
Plus he's injury prone and that also limits his contribution during the season.

Milan has been nurturing him for 3 years and he's showing little progress in his weak areas.
Plus you keep hearing that he doesn't seem to give it all in training.

So Milan's got a very skilled prospect that's tactically impaired, a slow learner, kind of lazy, injury prone, and on top of that he's got public issues with the coach and he's banging the daughter of the principal.


Don't think that offloading him early is such a stupid idea.
His value could increase but could also dive down in the next few seasons.

And I think even Pato recognizes that PSG is a very nice option for him.
Ligue 1 isn't that much of a downgrade in prestige over Serie A these days, but it's much easier tactically, and PSG is one of the biggest cash cows of european football and it's very probably destined to ride the league Barca-style for years.
It's his best shot at surfing his hype and make a great career out of it without too much effort.

Great post actually...can't fault any of your arguments, and now that I think of it...tend to agree that Milan may be better off getting rid of him.

I've never been a fan of Pato. His possible departure yesterday didn't fill me with dread or joy.

Abundance is dead right.

Also, yes, Tevez is much better than Pato.