abundance wrote:And I'm under the impression that Pato could mature to delete most of those ">" signs, but he won't be able to reverse their direction.
Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:I've never been a fan of Pato. His possible departure yesterday didn't fill me with dread or joy.
Abundance is dead right.
Also, yes, Tevez is much better than Pato.
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abundance wrote:Murray wrote:Who is more stupid?
Pato for wanting to go and play in France?
Or, Milan selling him and replacing him with Tevez?
I think they're both nuts.
nah don't think so, IMHO they're both quite reasonable.
I side with Bluenine, Tevez is an improvement than Pato.
Well, actually to me Tevez >>>>>>> Pato.
And I'm under the impression that Pato could mature to delete most of those ">" signs, but he won't be able to reverse their direction.
Pato has pace and great skills, but that's just a subset of talent.
Footballing brain and what you do without the ball are another big chunk of it, and Pato is really a second tier player in that department.
He's got a decent sense for positioning for goal scoring, but that's all about it.
He doesn't link up well, he doesn't create space for others, he doesn't outwit good defenses, he doesn't cover up smartly on transitions...
He just wanders and cut in hoping for service.
Players like him are justified in a top team only if they bang it in almost every game, and Pato doesn't do that.
Plus he's injury prone and that also limits his contribution during the season.
Milan has been nurturing him for 3 years and he's showing little progress in his weak areas.
Plus you keep hearing that he doesn't seem to give it all in training.
So Milan's got a very skilled prospect that's tactically impaired, a slow learner, kind of lazy, injury prone, and on top of that he's got public issues with the coach and he's banging the daughter of the principal.
Don't think that offloading him early is such a stupid idea.
His value could increase but could also dive down in the next few seasons.
And I think even Pato recognizes that PSG is a very nice option for him.
Ligue 1 isn't that much of a downgrade in prestige over Serie A these days, but it's much easier tactically, and PSG is one of the biggest cash cows of european football and it's very probably destined to ride the league Barca-style for years.
It's his best shot at surfing his hype and make a great career out of it without too much effort.
Have to admit - it's once again when you make a fantastic post regarding Serie A stuff during last few months (loved your piece on Sacchi and Capello in some other topic), hope you will keep it this way.abundance wrote:Murray wrote:Who is more stupid?
Pato for wanting to go and play in France?
Or, Milan selling him and replacing him with Tevez?
I think they're both nuts.
nah don't think so, IMHO they're both quite reasonable.
I side with Bluenine, Tevez is an improvement than Pato.
Well, actually to me Tevez >>>>>>> Pato.
And I'm under the impression that Pato could mature to delete most of those ">" signs, but he won't be able to reverse their direction.
Pato has pace and great skills, but that's just a subset of talent.
Footballing brain and what you do without the ball are another big chunk of it, and Pato is really a second tier player in that department.
He's got a decent sense for positioning for goal scoring, but that's all about it.
He doesn't link up well, he doesn't create space for others, he doesn't outwit good defenses, he doesn't cover up smartly on transitions...
He just wanders and cut in hoping for service.
Players like him are justified in a top team only if they bang it in almost every game, and Pato doesn't do that.
Plus he's injury prone and that also limits his contribution during the season.
Milan has been nurturing him for 3 years and he's showing little progress in his weak areas.
Plus you keep hearing that he doesn't seem to give it all in training.
So Milan's got a very skilled prospect that's tactically impaired, a slow learner, kind of lazy, injury prone, and on top of that he's got public issues with the coach and he's banging the daughter of the principal.
Don't think that offloading him early is such a stupid idea.
His value could increase but could also dive down in the next few seasons.
And I think even Pato recognizes that PSG is a very nice option for him.
Ligue 1 isn't that much of a downgrade in prestige over Serie A these days, but it's much easier tactically, and PSG is one of the biggest cash cows of european football and it's very probably destined to ride the league Barca-style for years.
It's his best shot at surfing his hype and make a great career out of it without too much effort.
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Murray wrote:
But Tevez is a nutter who will probably want to leave in a couple of years & he's cup tied for the CL
Selling Pato is a good idea if you replace him properly, replacing him with Tevez doesn't make any sense.
You're spot on. Ligue 1 is very hard and strikers rarely score that many goals there. Pato needs to be taught how to play the game because he isn't improving. Either that or play for a team that plays on the counter so that he can use his qualities optimially.stinger wrote:Have to admit - it's once again when you make a fantastic post regarding Serie A stuff during last few months (loved your piece on Sacchi and Capello in some other topic), hope you will keep it this way.abundance wrote:Murray wrote:Who is more stupid?
Pato for wanting to go and play in France?
Or, Milan selling him and replacing him with Tevez?
I think they're both nuts.
nah don't think so, IMHO they're both quite reasonable.
I side with Bluenine, Tevez is an improvement than Pato.
Well, actually to me Tevez >>>>>>> Pato.
And I'm under the impression that Pato could mature to delete most of those ">" signs, but he won't be able to reverse their direction.
Pato has pace and great skills, but that's just a subset of talent.
Footballing brain and what you do without the ball are another big chunk of it, and Pato is really a second tier player in that department.
He's got a decent sense for positioning for goal scoring, but that's all about it.
He doesn't link up well, he doesn't create space for others, he doesn't outwit good defenses, he doesn't cover up smartly on transitions...
He just wanders and cut in hoping for service.
Players like him are justified in a top team only if they bang it in almost every game, and Pato doesn't do that.
Plus he's injury prone and that also limits his contribution during the season.
Milan has been nurturing him for 3 years and he's showing little progress in his weak areas.
Plus you keep hearing that he doesn't seem to give it all in training.
So Milan's got a very skilled prospect that's tactically impaired, a slow learner, kind of lazy, injury prone, and on top of that he's got public issues with the coach and he's banging the daughter of the principal.
Don't think that offloading him early is such a stupid idea.
His value could increase but could also dive down in the next few seasons.
And I think even Pato recognizes that PSG is a very nice option for him.
Ligue 1 isn't that much of a downgrade in prestige over Serie A these days, but it's much easier tactically, and PSG is one of the biggest cash cows of european football and it's very probably destined to ride the league Barca-style for years.
It's his best shot at surfing his hype and make a great career out of it without too much effort.
Have to say though that I disagree with bolded part. Personally at the moment Ligue 1 strikes me as a very tactically discipined league, with plenty of teams defending deep, not takich much risks and being very happy with a clean sheet. Also, defenders much more athletic and physically imposing than in Serie A, so I am not sure how easy for Pato will be to score there with all his limitations you mentioned. But playing for PSG would be a big help, imagine him trying to do it for... let's see, Auxerre
fcb wrote:Anyone else think Milan's statement of "we are no longer interested in Tevez" is just bullshit? They spent weeks talking to him and agreeing terms, and now that a deal is more or less done, they pull out?
I reckon it may be a negotiating tactic...with Pato not going, they wouldn't mind having Tevez, but don't need him. On Jan. 31st, if nobody else has come in for Tevez (which is quite likely), Galliani can just call up City and say "why don't we take him off your hands on a loan deal".
Puro wrote:Apparently Genoa will sign Andy "La Joya" Polo beating Real Madrid, Manchester City, and Liverpool for his services.
Great decision by everyone involved with him as Genoa is a decent club to continiue his development.
Puro wrote:Apparently Genoa will sign Andy "La Joya" Polo beating Real Madrid, Manchester City, and Liverpool for his services.
Great decision by everyone involved with him as Genoa is a decent club to continiue his development.
Pras_tama wrote:Puro wrote:Apparently Genoa will sign Andy "La Joya" Polo beating Real Madrid, Manchester City, and Liverpool for his services.
Great decision by everyone involved with him as Genoa is a decent club to continiue his development.
You keep saying Rooney is overrated while you keep overrating some shit Peruvian players
worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:Puro wrote:Apparently Genoa will sign Andy "La Joya" Polo beating Real Madrid, Manchester City, and Liverpool for his services.
Great decision by everyone involved with him as Genoa is a decent club to continiue his development.
You keep saying Rooney is overrated while you keep overrating some shit Peruvian players
Your last 5 posts on this forum are trolling me and Puro,people are allowed to criticize Man United and there players,if you don't like it just ignore it.
Pras_tama wrote:worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:Puro wrote:Apparently Genoa will sign Andy "La Joya" Polo beating Real Madrid, Manchester City, and Liverpool for his services.
Great decision by everyone involved with him as Genoa is a decent club to continiue his development.
You keep saying Rooney is overrated while you keep overrating some shit Peruvian players
Your last 5 posts on this forum are trolling me and Puro,people are allowed to criticize Man United and there players,if you don't like it just ignore it.
Well, if you don't like me trolling you, just ignore it
worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:Puro wrote:Apparently Genoa will sign Andy "La Joya" Polo beating Real Madrid, Manchester City, and Liverpool for his services.
Great decision by everyone involved with him as Genoa is a decent club to continiue his development.
You keep saying Rooney is overrated while you keep overrating some shit Peruvian players
Your last 5 posts on this forum are trolling me and Puro,people are allowed to criticize Man United and there players,if you don't like it just ignore it.
Well, if you don't like me trolling you, just ignore it
Well when me and Puro criticize Man Uniteds players it is because we are discussing football on a football forum,this isn't a forum to troll which is all you have been doing recently and you have just admitted it.
The fact that you don't seem to know much about football + the fact you're trolling and insulting us just because we criticize one of your idols just supports my theory that MOST Man United fans in Asia know nothing about football and support them just because of the brand.I am not saying you are one of these types of supporters but you certainly have been acting that way recently.
Pras_tama wrote:worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:Puro wrote:Apparently Genoa will sign Andy "La Joya" Polo beating Real Madrid, Manchester City, and Liverpool for his services.
Great decision by everyone involved with him as Genoa is a decent club to continiue his development.
You keep saying Rooney is overrated while you keep overrating some shit Peruvian players
Your last 5 posts on this forum are trolling me and Puro,people are allowed to criticize Man United and there players,if you don't like it just ignore it.
Well, if you don't like me trolling you, just ignore it
Well when me and Puro criticize Man Uniteds players it is because we are discussing football on a football forum,this isn't a forum to troll which is all you have been doing recently and you have just admitted it.
The fact that you don't seem to know much about football + the fact you're trolling and insulting us just because we criticize one of your idols just supports my theory that MOST Man United fans in Asia know nothing about football and support them just because of the brand.I am not saying you are one of these types of supporters but you certainly have been acting that way recently.
Maybe I don't know much about football but I know clearly which one is 'good and intelectual critics' and which one is a 'shite wind-up'
worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:Puro wrote:Apparently Genoa will sign Andy "La Joya" Polo beating Real Madrid, Manchester City, and Liverpool for his services.
Great decision by everyone involved with him as Genoa is a decent club to continiue his development.
You keep saying Rooney is overrated while you keep overrating some shit Peruvian players
Your last 5 posts on this forum are trolling me and Puro,people are allowed to criticize Man United and there players,if you don't like it just ignore it.
Well, if you don't like me trolling you, just ignore it
Well when me and Puro criticize Man Uniteds players it is because we are discussing football on a football forum,this isn't a forum to troll which is all you have been doing recently and you have just admitted it.
The fact that you don't seem to know much about football + the fact you're trolling and insulting us just because we criticize one of your idols just supports my theory that MOST Man United fans in Asia know nothing about football and support them just because of the brand.I am not saying you are one of these types of supporters but you certainly have been acting that way recently.
Maybe I don't know much about football but I know clearly which one is 'good and intelectual critics' and which one is a 'shite wind-up'
At least I understand football and am not one of the millions of glory hunting sheep from Asia like you.
Now stop trolling me and go be a good glory hunter and buy some more United merchandise....then you can call yourself the best United supporter in the world
Pras_tama wrote:worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:Puro wrote:Apparently Genoa will sign Andy "La Joya" Polo beating Real Madrid, Manchester City, and Liverpool for his services.
Great decision by everyone involved with him as Genoa is a decent club to continiue his development.
You keep saying Rooney is overrated while you keep overrating some shit Peruvian players
Your last 5 posts on this forum are trolling me and Puro,people are allowed to criticize Man United and there players,if you don't like it just ignore it.
Well, if you don't like me trolling you, just ignore it
Well when me and Puro criticize Man Uniteds players it is because we are discussing football on a football forum,this isn't a forum to troll which is all you have been doing recently and you have just admitted it.
The fact that you don't seem to know much about football + the fact you're trolling and insulting us just because we criticize one of your idols just supports my theory that MOST Man United fans in Asia know nothing about football and support them just because of the brand.I am not saying you are one of these types of supporters but you certainly have been acting that way recently.
Maybe I don't know much about football but I know clearly which one is 'good and intelectual critics' and which one is a 'shite wind-up'
At least I understand football and am not one of the millions of glory hunting sheep from Asia like you.
Now stop trolling me and go be a good glory hunter and buy some more United merchandise....then you can call yourself the best United supporter in the world
You keep telling that Asians are glory hunter just because they support trophies winning club. What about you mate? Don't you support Liverpool (rather than Everton) because of their glory days?
worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:worms wrote:Pras_tama wrote:Puro wrote:Apparently Genoa will sign Andy "La Joya" Polo beating Real Madrid, Manchester City, and Liverpool for his services.
Great decision by everyone involved with him as Genoa is a decent club to continiue his development.
You keep saying Rooney is overrated while you keep overrating some shit Peruvian players
Your last 5 posts on this forum are trolling me and Puro,people are allowed to criticize Man United and there players,if you don't like it just ignore it.
Well, if you don't like me trolling you, just ignore it
Well when me and Puro criticize Man Uniteds players it is because we are discussing football on a football forum,this isn't a forum to troll which is all you have been doing recently and you have just admitted it.
The fact that you don't seem to know much about football + the fact you're trolling and insulting us just because we criticize one of your idols just supports my theory that MOST Man United fans in Asia know nothing about football and support them just because of the brand.I am not saying you are one of these types of supporters but you certainly have been acting that way recently.
Maybe I don't know much about football but I know clearly which one is 'good and intelectual critics' and which one is a 'shite wind-up'
At least I understand football and am not one of the millions of glory hunting sheep from Asia like you.
Now stop trolling me and go be a good glory hunter and buy some more United merchandise....then you can call yourself the best
United supporter in the world
You keep telling that Asians are glory hunter just because they support trophies winning club. What about you mate? Don't you support Liverpool (rather than Everton) because of their glory days?
No I support them because everybody in my family supports them and I was brought up to support them
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