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Serie A 2011-12
Tarun- Number of posts : 3087
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- Post n°181
Re: Serie A 2011-12
C'mon Muntari, you are supposed to be collecting bookings instead!
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- Post n°182
Re: Serie A 2011-12
Muntariwatch latest
a yellow card.
I'm predicting a red one
a yellow card.
I'm predicting a red one
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Re: Serie A 2011-12
Murray wrote:Muntariwatch
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AN other game where Ibra is absent (after Fiorentina). I'm starting to think his help in winning titles is greatly exaggerated.
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Oooh... Milan and Nesta got lucky that it turned out to be offside, else it was a penalty.
Inter screwed up big time regarding "undercover agent" Muntari... We should have told him to play normally, instead someone screwed up & told him to aim for the stands... There was no way Muntari could have scored a goal like that if he was aiming at the goal!
Inter screwed up big time regarding "undercover agent" Muntari... We should have told him to play normally, instead someone screwed up & told him to aim for the stands... There was no way Muntari could have scored a goal like that if he was aiming at the goal!
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oooh offside again
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1-0! We win.
Will say it again...Muntari was an excellent acquisition.
Will say it again...Muntari was an excellent acquisition.
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Re: Serie A 2011-12
Bogdan Stancu wrote:AN other game where Ibra is absent (after Fiorentina). I'm starting to think his help in winning titles is greatly exaggerated.
I thought he held the ball up well actually and produced some nice passes with the little surface he got.
You seem to have something against him which goes beyond football because if it weren't for Ibra Juve would have already won the league.
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Don't know why there was 5 minutes added time.
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Bogdan Stancu wrote:AN other game where Ibra is absent (after Fiorentina). I'm starting to think his help in winning titles is greatly exaggerated.
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Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:1-0! We win.
Will say it again...Muntari was an excellent acquisition.
Wait for it.... One day you will live to regret making this statement!
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Miss the game, but from what I've read, everyone is happy with Muntari
@ bluenine: Milan turned Pirlo and Seedorf, after we took them from you, to world class so errr....
Why can't we turn Muntari into one?
@ bluenine: Milan turned Pirlo and Seedorf, after we took them from you, to world class so errr....
Why can't we turn Muntari into one?
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Muntari gives his shirt to a Chievo ballboy, but the kid tries to return it
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Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Bogdan Stancu wrote:AN other game where Ibra is absent (after Fiorentina). I'm starting to think his help in winning titles is greatly exaggerated.
He won the title with Juve, Inter, Barca and Milan.
Juve was a team that was already winning titles + Calciopoli. Inter had no competition when he got there (and they won the CL only after he left). Barca was already the best team in the world when he got there. So how big is his contribution?
This year looks impresive. 23 goals. But 9 are penalties.
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Pras_tama wrote:Miss the game, but from what I've read, everyone is happy with Muntari
@ bluenine: Milan turned Pirlo and Seedorf, after we took them from you, to world class so errr....
Why can't we turn Muntari into one?
And how did you do with Favalli, Simic, Vieri, Brocchi, West, Mancini? It doesn't always work...
@Kas, LOL!
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Re: Serie A 2011-12
Good point! I agree. He has mostly been lucky to be at the right place and at the right time. His flicks and tricks usually work against lesser equipped sides.
Bogdan Stancu wrote:
He won the title with Juve, Inter, Barca and Milan.
Juve was a team that was already winning titles + Calciopoli. Inter had no competition when he got there (and they won the CL only after he left). Barca was already the best team in the world when he got there. So how big is his contribution?
This year looks impresive. 23 goals. But 9 are penalties.
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Re: Serie A 2011-12
He had a great debut season at Juventus, so he obviously played a role in that title win. His second season in Juventus wasn't as good.
At Inter he was a big part of their Scudetto wins, take Ibrahimovic out of Inter and I guarantee you they don't win three Scudetti in a row (Roma could've won at least once, yes Milan and Juventus were weak but Roma finished 3 points behind Inter in 2007-2008 and two behind them in 2009-2010). I'm sure bluenine can verify whether he was important for Inter or not.
Barcelona are obviously the best team in the world, and they would've won without him.
Lastly in Milan, he had a huge role in both seasons he has played for us, everyone who has watched our games knows this. Last year up until the winter break he was single-handedly carrying us, while Allegri was trying to figure out his best 11 and devise a new style of play without Pirlo( injured for huge part of the season) and Dinho (eventually sold after being benched in favour of Robinho).
In short, you don't win 9 domestic titles in a row by being lucky. Also, if he was just flicks and tricks then some of the best and most prestigious clubs in the world wouldn't pay so much money all these years just to acquire a showpony. All his coaches including Capello, Mourinho etc have talked about how they love the dude's mentality and how he flat out hates losing. Even guys like Gattuso and Nesta have talked about it and how it positively rubs off on other teammates.
Oh and Ibra is hardly one of my favourite players, even in this current Milan side (who has several poor/average players). The only current Milan players I have an affinity towards are Nesta, Cassano, Gattuso and Thiago Silva. But you cannot deny Ibrahimovic's importance.
At Inter he was a big part of their Scudetto wins, take Ibrahimovic out of Inter and I guarantee you they don't win three Scudetti in a row (Roma could've won at least once, yes Milan and Juventus were weak but Roma finished 3 points behind Inter in 2007-2008 and two behind them in 2009-2010). I'm sure bluenine can verify whether he was important for Inter or not.
Barcelona are obviously the best team in the world, and they would've won without him.
Lastly in Milan, he had a huge role in both seasons he has played for us, everyone who has watched our games knows this. Last year up until the winter break he was single-handedly carrying us, while Allegri was trying to figure out his best 11 and devise a new style of play without Pirlo( injured for huge part of the season) and Dinho (eventually sold after being benched in favour of Robinho).
In short, you don't win 9 domestic titles in a row by being lucky. Also, if he was just flicks and tricks then some of the best and most prestigious clubs in the world wouldn't pay so much money all these years just to acquire a showpony. All his coaches including Capello, Mourinho etc have talked about how they love the dude's mentality and how he flat out hates losing. Even guys like Gattuso and Nesta have talked about it and how it positively rubs off on other teammates.
Oh and Ibra is hardly one of my favourite players, even in this current Milan side (who has several poor/average players). The only current Milan players I have an affinity towards are Nesta, Cassano, Gattuso and Thiago Silva. But you cannot deny Ibrahimovic's importance.
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Re: Serie A 2011-12
Red n' Black wrote:He had a great debut season at Juventus, so he obviously played a role in that title win. His second season in Juventus wasn't as good.
At Inter he was a big part of their Scudetto wins, take Ibrahimovic out of Inter and I guarantee you they don't win three Scudetti in a row (Roma could've won at least once, yes Milan and Juventus were weak but Roma finished 3 points behind Inter in 2007-2008 and two behind them in 2009-2010). I'm sure bluenine can verify whether he was important for Inter or not.
Barcelona are obviously the best team in the world, and they would've won without him.
Lastly in Milan, he had a huge role in both seasons he has played for us, everyone who has watched our games knows this. Last year up until the winter break he was single-handedly carrying us, while Allegri was trying to figure out his best 11 and devise a new style of play without Pirlo( injured for huge part of the season) and Dinho (eventually sold after being benched in favour of Robinho).
In short, you don't win 9 domestic titles in a row by being lucky. Also, if he was just flicks and tricks then some of the best and most prestigious clubs in the world wouldn't pay so much money all these years just to acquire a showpony. All his coaches including Capello, Mourinho etc have talked about how they love the dude's mentality and how he flat out hates losing. Even guys like Gattuso and Nesta have talked about it and how it positively rubs off on other teammates.
Oh and Ibra is hardly one of my favourite players, even in this current Milan side (who has several poor/average players). The only current Milan players I have an affinity towards are Nesta, Cassano, Gattuso and Thiago Silva. But you cannot deny Ibrahimovic's importance.
How about Guardiola and his time at Barca?
Ibra is "good for the team" only if he's the star. And he doesn't like competition.
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Bogdan Stancu wrote:Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Bogdan Stancu wrote:AN other game where Ibra is absent (after Fiorentina). I'm starting to think his help in winning titles is greatly exaggerated.
He won the title with Juve, Inter, Barca and Milan.
Juve was a team that was already winning titles + Calciopoli. Inter had no competition when he got there (and they won the CL only after he left). Barca was already the best team in the world when he got there. So how big is his contribution?
This year looks impresive. 23 goals. But 9 are penalties.
The problem is you judge strikers just on goals,the problem is yours not Ibras.
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Re: Serie A 2011-12
Bogdan Stancu wrote:Red n' Black wrote:He had a great debut season at Juventus, so he obviously played a role in that title win. His second season in Juventus wasn't as good.
At Inter he was a big part of their Scudetto wins, take Ibrahimovic out of Inter and I guarantee you they don't win three Scudetti in a row (Roma could've won at least once, yes Milan and Juventus were weak but Roma finished 3 points behind Inter in 2007-2008 and two behind them in 2009-2010). I'm sure bluenine can verify whether he was important for Inter or not.
Barcelona are obviously the best team in the world, and they would've won without him.
Lastly in Milan, he had a huge role in both seasons he has played for us, everyone who has watched our games knows this. Last year up until the winter break he was single-handedly carrying us, while Allegri was trying to figure out his best 11 and devise a new style of play without Pirlo( injured for huge part of the season) and Dinho (eventually sold after being benched in favour of Robinho).
In short, you don't win 9 domestic titles in a row by being lucky. Also, if he was just flicks and tricks then some of the best and most prestigious clubs in the world wouldn't pay so much money all these years just to acquire a showpony. All his coaches including Capello, Mourinho etc have talked about how they love the dude's mentality and how he flat out hates losing. Even guys like Gattuso and Nesta have talked about it and how it positively rubs off on other teammates.
Oh and Ibra is hardly one of my favourite players, even in this current Milan side (who has several poor/average players). The only current Milan players I have an affinity towards are Nesta, Cassano, Gattuso and Thiago Silva. But you cannot deny Ibrahimovic's importance.
How about Guardiola and his time at Barca?
Ibra is "good for the team" only if he's the star. And he doesn't like competition.
Here's a post I posted a month ago.I will post it again to explain what went wrong for Ibra at Barca,somehow I guess it probably won't satisfy your black and white view of the world (just Ibra maybe?) though.
'That season we started of like this:
Pedro/Henry-----Ibra-----Messi
Everything was fine,Ibra was playing brilliantly as was Messi and Pedro gradually earned himself a starting spot over the fading Henry.
But after a few months Pep started playing Messi in the middle just behind Ibra which totally destroyed any balance in the team.
It was something like this:
Pedro-----Ibra
-----------------Messi
This totally destroyed Ibras game because he no longer had the space to work his magic and now the team revolved around Messi.Ibra was now in the way of Messi,but that's not Ibras fault it's Peps.
It would have been better if we bought someone to play on a right and played Messi in the middle at the start of the 09/10 season but I don't think Pep had planned on using Messi in the middle regularly yet.
Here's some quotes that back my points up:
"Lionel Messi is awesome. He’s unbelievable, but I don’t really know him. We are totally different. He came to Barça as a 13-year old. He’s raised in that culture and has no problems with that ‘school’ shit. In the team, the play is all around him, pretty naturally actually. He’s brilliant, but now I had arrived [at Barca] and scored more goals than him. "
"It was a childhood dream [to play for Barca] and I was walking on air. It started well but then Messi started to talk. He wanted to play in the middle, not on the wing, so the system changed. I was sacrificed."
Pep realized he made a mistake in buying the best CF in the world unaware at the time of buying him that Messi would want to play in the middle regularly,remember in 08/09 he rarely played in the middle.A notable exception is the CL final of course where it worked.
So he started ignoring him and treating him like shit if Ibras comments are true,Ibras form suffered even more then was sold in the summer.I don't see how the saga is indicative of Ibra not being good enough for Barca at all,remember when he was playing CF on his own he was fantastic.'
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Re: Serie A 2011-12
Red n' Black wrote:He had a great debut season at Juventus, so he obviously played a role in that title win. His second season in Juventus wasn't as good.
At Inter he was a big part of their Scudetto wins, take Ibrahimovic out of Inter and I guarantee you they don't win three Scudetti in a row (Roma could've won at least once, yes Milan and Juventus were weak but Roma finished 3 points behind Inter in 2007-2008 and two behind them in 2009-2010). I'm sure bluenine can verify whether he was important for Inter or not.
Barcelona are obviously the best team in the world, and they would've won without him.
Lastly in Milan, he had a huge role in both seasons he has played for us, everyone who has watched our games knows this. Last year up until the winter break he was single-handedly carrying us, while Allegri was trying to figure out his best 11 and devise a new style of play without Pirlo( injured for huge part of the season) and Dinho (eventually sold after being benched in favour of Robinho).
In short, you don't win 9 domestic titles in a row by being lucky. Also, if he was just flicks and tricks then some of the best and most prestigious clubs in the world wouldn't pay so much money all these years just to acquire a showpony. All his coaches including Capello, Mourinho etc have talked about how they love the dude's mentality and how he flat out hates losing. Even guys like Gattuso and Nesta have talked about it and how it positively rubs off on other teammates.
Oh and Ibra is hardly one of my favourite players, even in this current Milan side (who has several poor/average players). The only current Milan players I have an affinity towards are Nesta, Cassano, Gattuso and Thiago Silva. But you cannot deny Ibrahimovic's importance.
Yeah, I am surprised people doubt him whenever he has a bad game or two...
I thought he played a key role in Ajax's titles, perhaps the dutchies on the MB can confirm that.
At Juve, Capello preferred him over Del Piero (club legend, and at that time, in form) - that says a lot.
At Inter, he was the protagonist of all 3 titles, perhaps THE key player.
At Barca, he played a small part inspite of his goals, sure. But you can understand his value by considering what Pep paid for him - 49m plus Eto'o! And his use of Ibra was all wrong, Ibra needs to be the centrepoint of all attack in order to be effective. That is his biggest strength, and his biggest weakness - coz when he fails, the team fails.
At Milan, there was NO WAY Milan were winning the title last season without Ibra. No chance. Even this season, take out Ibra and Juve would have wrapped up the title already!
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I, as a Milan fan, care more about the CL than Serie A. So I care more about how he plays in the CL than in Italy.
Last year I give him a pass. First year, the team was just forming and I give him credit for helping us win the title (he was a key player). This year he has no excuse for the way he played in the biggest games of the year for Milan.
As for his contribution to titles. I'm not saying he didn't had any part in winning titles but that his part is greatly exaggerated.
Ajax - don't care what he did in the Dutch league. This isn't the 70's or 80's.
Juve - he came into a winning team. Good first season, bad second season.
Inter - take Ibra out and put Milito or Eto'o and you still win the title. And the CL.
Barca - I don't think I need to say anything. And Pep also paid 35 mil for Chygrynskiy. What does that tell you about his business sense?
At Milan take out Ibra and put what CF in? Because I'm sure we would have brought a striker if he didn't came.
Last year I give him a pass. First year, the team was just forming and I give him credit for helping us win the title (he was a key player). This year he has no excuse for the way he played in the biggest games of the year for Milan.
As for his contribution to titles. I'm not saying he didn't had any part in winning titles but that his part is greatly exaggerated.
Ajax - don't care what he did in the Dutch league. This isn't the 70's or 80's.
Juve - he came into a winning team. Good first season, bad second season.
Inter - take Ibra out and put Milito or Eto'o and you still win the title. And the CL.
Barca - I don't think I need to say anything. And Pep also paid 35 mil for Chygrynskiy. What does that tell you about his business sense?
At Milan take out Ibra and put what CF in? Because I'm sure we would have brought a striker if he didn't came.
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Re: Serie A 2011-12
Bogdan Stancu wrote:I, as a Milan fan, care more about the CL than Serie A. So I care more about how he plays in the CL than in Italy.
Last year I give him a pass. First year, the team was just forming and I give him credit for helping us win the title (he was a key player). This year he has no excuse for the way he played in the biggest games of the year for Milan.
As for his contribution to titles. I'm not saying he didn't had any part in winning titles but that his part is greatly exaggerated.
Ajax - don't care what he did in the Dutch league. This isn't the 70's or 80's.
Juve - he came into a winning team. Good first season, bad second season.
Inter - take Ibra out and put Milito or Eto'o and you still win the title. And the CL.
Barca - I don't think I need to say anything. And Pep also paid 35 mil for Chygrynskiy. What does that tell you about his business sense?
At Milan take out Ibra and put what CF in? Because I'm sure we would have brought a striker if he didn't came.
This year in the CL he was excellent against Arsneal and good against Barcelona.
Don't let that get in the way of your agenda though.
"Pep also paid 35 mil for Chygrynskiy" No he didn't
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He was good against Barca? What game were you watching?
He had 1 good game against Arsenal. That's it.
Sorry, he only paid 25m.
He had 1 good game against Arsenal. That's it.
Sorry, he only paid 25m.
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I was watching Barcelona vs AC Milan - both legs of the QF CL 2011 - 2012.
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Bogdan Stancu wrote:Inter - take Ibra out and put Milito or Eto'o and you still win the title. And the CL.
No dude, we wouldn't. Maybe you forget how good Spalletti's Roma were - if that team played this season, they would win the scudetto. Or maybe you forget the fact that we effectively replaced Ibra with Milito + Eto'o + Sneijder + Lucio + Motta (and later Pandev). Thats how we grew stronger post Ibra. Just a Milito or Eto'o would not have replaced Ibra, coz Ibra was our striker, our fantasista & our trequartista rolled into one.
And Milan went out to Barca this season. You could have had Pele instead of Ibra and still lost to this Barca.
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Re: Serie A 2011-12
Bogdan Stancu wrote:I, as a Milan fan, care more about the CL than Serie A. So I care more about how he plays in the CL than in Italy.
Last year I give him a pass. First year, the team was just forming and I give him credit for helping us win the title (he was a key player). This year he has no excuse for the way he played in the biggest games of the year for Milan.
As for his contribution to titles. I'm not saying he didn't had any part in winning titles but that his part is greatly exaggerated.
Ajax - don't care what he did in the Dutch league. This isn't the 70's or 80's.
Juve - he came into a winning team. Good first season, bad second season.
Inter - take Ibra out and put Milito or Eto'o and you still win the title. And the CL.
Barca - I don't think I need to say anything. And Pep also paid 35 mil for Chygrynskiy. What does that tell you about his business sense?
At Milan take out Ibra and put what CF in? Because I'm sure we would have brought a striker if he didn't came.
Let's say Dzeko, who we were also linked with at the time. Swap Ibra with Dzeko in the current Milan side and we don't win jack shit. We'd also need a new midfield and maybe better full backs too. And this is the 'beauty' of having Ibra. You can stick a shit midfield full of 'facking runners' behind him and he'll still score and create for others. This is pretty much what Moggi was saying since day 1, when he was suggesting Baldie to buy Ibra, with him you don't need to get a better midfield, he makes things happens himself.
And about the CL, objectively our current team does not have a chance to content for the CL, Ibra or no Ibra. I think this was pretty much obvious since the beginning. Swap Ibra with any forward you want, unless we improve on our midfield and full-backs we don't have a chance to win the CL. Barcelona & Real Madrid are way ahead, but the problem in our team is hardly Ibrahimovic.
Dude, if you think Ibra has been so terrible, what is your opinion on Robinho/Pato? They can't even hold a candle to him. If Milan needs to get rid of a forward it's definitely one of those two. Preferably Pato, at least Robinho does manage to be fit most of the times.
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Re: Serie A 2011-12
This is what people actually believe. That Ibra creates changes for himself and he doesn't need a midfield. It's not like Nocerino played great this year. Or Boateng.
If you don't count penalties Dzeko scored 13 goals in EPL this year. Ibra scored 14 for us. So yes, I would take him over Ibra. I would also take Cavani who scored 16 goals in Serie A.
I would get rid of him because Milan could get a lot of money for him. I don't think that's the case with Robinho. Pato should've left for PSG this winter.
If you don't count penalties Dzeko scored 13 goals in EPL this year. Ibra scored 14 for us. So yes, I would take him over Ibra. I would also take Cavani who scored 16 goals in Serie A.
I would get rid of him because Milan could get a lot of money for him. I don't think that's the case with Robinho. Pato should've left for PSG this winter.
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Re: Serie A 2011-12
You're saying you would take Dzeko over Ibra because he score less goals
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For me 'exaggerated' is the key word here. He is completely unproven in big games and that is where the distinction between champions and good players in made. His last chance was probably the game against Barca. Nobody is denying that he is good player and had a part to play in winning some leagues. But I don't think individuals win leagues. If it was not for the solid defense Inter had in Lucio, Samuel and Cordoba I doubt that even 2 Ibra's would have got them the leagues. In fact Inter won the treble without him
Juve cashed out on him because of their demotion but it is a known thing that there was trouble in the dressing room between Ibra and Delps. And I would take Delps over Ibra any day if it comes to professionalism. Barca realized their mistake, though a bit late, that he did not fit their system. And Milan would have probably realized by now that they need much more than Ibra to do well in Europe.
Nonetheless, he is very effective against smaller sides and can unlock their defensive gameplay. That quality cannot be ignored and it does contribute greatly to winning leagues. But I would not call him a champion as such!
Juve cashed out on him because of their demotion but it is a known thing that there was trouble in the dressing room between Ibra and Delps. And I would take Delps over Ibra any day if it comes to professionalism. Barca realized their mistake, though a bit late, that he did not fit their system. And Milan would have probably realized by now that they need much more than Ibra to do well in Europe.
Nonetheless, he is very effective against smaller sides and can unlock their defensive gameplay. That quality cannot be ignored and it does contribute greatly to winning leagues. But I would not call him a champion as such!
Bogdan Stancu wrote:As for his contribution to titles. I'm not saying he didn't had any part in winning titles but that his part is greatly exaggerated.
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