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    Post by abundance Mon May 14, 2012 2:24 pm

    bluenine wrote:
    Next summer will probably be Inter's turn, with Zanetti, Samuel, Lucio, Stankovic, & Milito certainly not having enough legs to last more than a season.

    Lucio and Stankovic are former footballers already tbh ;^P
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    Post by bluenine Mon May 14, 2012 3:47 pm

    abundance wrote:
    bluenine wrote:
    Next summer will probably be Inter's turn, with Zanetti, Samuel, Lucio, Stankovic, & Milito certainly not having enough legs to last more than a season.

    Lucio and Stankovic are former footballers already tbh ;^P

    I agree. They are bench players at best. But we must not forget that Zanetti, Samuel and Milito were our best performers in this otherwise poor season, the challenge at Inter now is how many players can we realistically replace this summer without filling the squad with mediocre players like Pazzini & Palombo.

    For me, we need to go back to the basics, and build again from defence. Our priorities this summer should be a top CB and a top FB at the very least, maybe even two of each. Our midfield is ok, with Guarin showing some encouraging signs and the imminent return of Coutinho. We may also need to splash out on a top goalscorer to partner or replace Milito, coz I am not willing to risk another season on the likes of Pazzini, Forlan, Zarate, & Castaignos. We could get rid of all of them for all I care.

    Isla, Benatia, and Jovetic would make me happy Smile

    For the CB, rumours are linking us to Sakho, Benatia, and... wait for it.... Andreolli(!!!???). I know he has been decent for Chievo, but he is not Inter material. Unfortunately, the likes of Juan, Caldirola, Benedetti, and Spendlhofer are too young/inexperienced to replace Lucio, but I would prefer any of them over Andreolli as a back up.

    Its a worry that there are hardly any quality LB's in the market, coz Nagatomo has just not improved enough. I would prefer a top LB to Isla, but I cannot think of anyone. I guess Zanetti will have to pitch in again...

    I wish our financial state was a bit better, I would have loved to see Moratti splash out for a Tevez or a Neymar, but that seems way out of our reach now, specially with no CL next season.

    Who would you want, Abundance?
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    Post by Pirlo Mon May 14, 2012 4:01 pm

    I listened to Prandelli's words to the media today, what interested me was: 'today there is no longer a static player in attack'.

    With that in mind, i'm wondering should we sell Ibra? For all his genius come the negative tactical implications of his play, i'm wondering if we take the money and invest on a couple of really useful dynamic players for the team that better adapt the club for the modern game?

    Although a season of Cassano-Ibra is just as tempting, why split up a great partnership?

    Massive summer for the immediate competeiveness of the team, Goalkeeper, Left-Wing back, Centre-Back, Dyanmic midfielder, mobile goalscorer of importance are essential, Montolivo is an improvement over Aquilani, don't know anything about Traore but he was free Rolling Eyes
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    Post by bluenine Mon May 14, 2012 4:28 pm

    Pirlo wrote:I listened to Prandelli's words to the media today, what interested me was: 'today there is no longer a static player in attack'.

    To be fair, I think he was referring to the exclusion of a Pazzini/Gilardino/Matri/Borriello style center forward from the Azzurri squad, rather than someone like Ibra who may not move much but does a lot of creative work... in a similar fashion to Balotelli who is also very lazy but brings a different dimension and intensity into the attack. So by "static", Prandelli probably meant "static & one-dimensional"... If Ibra were available to Prandelli, he would be the first name on the team sheet. Coz Cassano-Ibra works.

    But in essence you are right, Ibra limits the tactical options at Milan, which can hurt against teams which have the ability to mark him out... so I can understand where you are coming from... I hear rumours of a swap deal between Ibra and Tevez, any truth in that you think?
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    Post by worms. Mon May 14, 2012 5:12 pm

    Samuel is still at his peak imo,has a few good years left.
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    Post by Pirlo Mon May 14, 2012 6:00 pm

    bluenine wrote:
    Pirlo wrote:I listened to Prandelli's words to the media today, what interested me was: 'today there is no longer a static player in attack'.

    To be fair, I think he was referring to the exclusion of a Pazzini/Gilardino/Matri/Borriello style center forward from the Azzurri squad, rather than someone like Ibra who may not move much but does a lot of creative work... in a similar fashion to Balotelli who is also very lazy but brings a different dimension and intensity into the attack. So by "static", Prandelli probably meant "static & one-dimensional"... If Ibra were available to Prandelli, he would be the first name on the team sheet. Coz Cassano-Ibra works.

    But in essence you are right, Ibra limits the tactical options at Milan, which can hurt against teams which have the ability to mark him out... so I can understand where you are coming from... I hear rumours of a swap deal between Ibra and Tevez, any truth in that you think?

    Cassano-Ibra is the best partnership at the club, so it would obviously be interesting if they decided to split, the best work Ibra does is the instinctive one touch stuff, when he has a lot of time to 'think' about his finishes or passes then he tends to screw up, delay significantly or overplay, which is why i think our play at times has isolated him, we just never got enough people around him or moving, then he tends to drop deep and the play is in front of him.

    Tuttosport were big on Ibra-Manchester this morning, whether Tevez could work with Cassano, who knows, they have different characteristics and most of of the teams 'work' comes from midfield rather than attack, so it could mean a shift in focus.
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    Post by Pirlo Tue May 15, 2012 12:45 pm

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    Post by abundance Tue May 15, 2012 3:37 pm

    Pirlo wrote:Although a season of Cassano-Ibra is just as tempting, why split up a great partnership?
    For balances and long term planning.

    From a business pov, now is the just the right time to sell Ibra.
    He's getting 31 this autumn, and he's got 2 years more of contract at a staggering 22mil/year gross.
    That means that next summer, going towards 32 and entering the last year of contract, it will be very hard to sell him for a decent fee.
    So you'll probably keep him and see the end of his contract.
    That's -54mil (gross wages + around 5mil/year of fee amortization), split in two balance sheets.

    Instead, say you sell him this year to some riches for a fee of 15~20mil (plausible).
    Suddenly, you can buy a 30mil valued prospect, pay him 4mil net for 5 years, and have the very same loss, spread in 5 balance sheets instead of 2.
    Hell you could even buy two of them and for the next two years they would put roughly the same strain as Ibra on you balance.



    Pirlo wrote:With that in mind, i'm wondering should we sell Ibra? For all his genius come the negative tactical implications of his play, i'm wondering if we take the money and invest on a couple of really useful dynamic players for the team that better adapt the club for the modern game?
    It all revolves around who's availalble ofc, but it could be worthy
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    Post by abundance Tue May 15, 2012 4:13 pm

    bluenine wrote:
    abundance wrote:
    bluenine wrote:
    Next summer will probably be Inter's turn, with Zanetti, Samuel, Lucio, Stankovic, & Milito certainly not having enough legs to last more than a season.

    Lucio and Stankovic are former footballers already tbh ;^P

    I agree. They are bench players at best. But we must not forget that Zanetti, Samuel and Milito were our best performers in this otherwise poor season, the challenge at Inter now is how many players can we realistically replace this summer without filling the squad with mediocre players like Pazzini & Palombo.

    For me, we need to go back to the basics, and build again from defence. Our priorities this summer should be a top CB and a top FB at the very least, maybe even two of each. Our midfield is ok, with Guarin showing some encouraging signs and the imminent return of Coutinho. We may also need to splash out on a top goalscorer to partner or replace Milito, coz I am not willing to risk another season on the likes of Pazzini, Forlan, Zarate, & Castaignos. We could get rid of all of them for all I care.

    Isla, Benatia, and Jovetic would make me happy Smile

    For the CB, rumours are linking us to Sakho, Benatia, and... wait for it.... Andreolli(!!!???). I know he has been decent for Chievo, but he is not Inter material. Unfortunately, the likes of Juan, Caldirola, Benedetti, and Spendlhofer are too young/inexperienced to replace Lucio, but I would prefer any of them over Andreolli as a back up.

    Its a worry that there are hardly any quality LB's in the market, coz Nagatomo has just not improved enough. I would prefer a top LB to Isla, but I cannot think of anyone. I guess Zanetti will have to pitch in again...

    I wish our financial state was a bit better, I would have loved to see Moratti splash out for a Tevez or a Neymar, but that seems way out of our reach now, specially with no CL next season.

    Who would you want, Abundance?

    eeeeh very hard to say given the situation and the costraints.

    My OUT list has 12 names on it, it's an entire team and a sub =D

    Viviano
    Maicon, Lucio, Chivu
    Stankovic, Cambiasso, Palombo
    Sneijder
    Forlan, Pazzini, Zarate
    (Pandev).

    But the only real money in it would be from Pazzini and Sneijder, plus some from Pandev and Viviano.
    Let's say no more than 45mil in total, including the penny change for Forlan and the defenders.
    Plus ofc the savings from the wage bill (all those guys eat up north of 70mil).

    But we also have to pay around 18mil to keep Guarin and Poli.
    That leaves very few money for renovation.

    Unless Moratti is able/willing to chip in some sizeable fresh cash, like 20~30mil, we won't be able to make too much of a competitive squad out of that.
    At least I hope we focus on 2-3 decent prospect instead of trying to cover all the bases with cheapo "clever" deals or has-beens.
    And also that we choose sensibly about who of that lot is going to stay, for how much money, and with what role.



    Keepers...
    long term we need a new one but no changes this summer, imho we have far bigger holes to worry about.
    Viviano is better sold to scrape some money instead of brought back to rarely contest Julio's place.


    Defence...
    I agree we need a CB and a FB.
    Ranocchia HAS to be 1st choice, we paid too much for him to not test him for a full season.
    And he just can't possibly do worse than Lucio this season. :/

    Benatia would be perfect - as RB it would balance an offensive and careless LB as Nagatomo.
    And he could step in reliably at CB if Ranocchia and Samuel have injuries or heavy blunders.
    We could do with him alone if Chivu stays, otherwise we should get a low cost backup CB - if hopefully Lucio gtfo we'll have just Juan, as Caldirola seems oriented to seek a lower team to play first team.

    Anyway, defence will be creaky and shallow but it's still somewhat decent and reliable.

    Midfield...
    is way worse imho.
    Cambiasso is an ex-player, you can't count on him for anything but trying his best not to make it look too apparent, he'll probably stays but he really should be a fringe player.
    Stanks, I luv him and class don't age, but he's got 30min range nowadays and he'll probably retire to NYC.
    Palombo won't be kept.

    So we currently have reliable 2 first teamers (Guarin and Poli), which we still have to pay btw, and a decent backup (Obi).
    Plus Mariga coming back but he's off for injury until 2013. Fullstop.
    We can add Crisetig, and then we totally have to find a very good CM/DM, and another mezz'ala/playmaker.
    There was talks about De Jong, and it seems we'll get Mudingayi for Bologna for a couple mils, other than that I have no ideas atm.
    Isla is nice but I dont know, he's pricey, we already have Guarin, Poli and Obi (and eventually Faraoni) for that, and we'd still need a good CM.

    Going forwards...
    We have Sneijder, Coutinho and Alvarez as mezz'alas/forwards, adn that's not that bad.
    Sneijder should go if a good offer come, his fitness is a luxury for us now.

    We need someone here, trequartista or winger-type.
    The talks about Lavezzi have me horrified, totally do not want, it's an overpriced excuse for pretending to get a top player.
    Jovetic would make me drool, but I don't see how we can afford him, and besides hes' almost as injury prone as Sneijder =D
    The other dream going on is that we are talking with Lucas, yea, sure...

    Striker is no brainer as long as Milito is fit.
    A desert after him.
    But if we replace Pazzini with Destro we should be fine.

    It sucks to buy back at a premium our own youngster, but we really should try hard, more or less the price is the same and the potential is night and day.
    Plus it'd be such a shame if he goes to Juve.







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    Post by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Tue May 15, 2012 6:54 pm

    abundance wrote:
    Pirlo wrote:Although a season of Cassano-Ibra is just as tempting, why split up a great partnership?
    For balances and long term planning.

    From a business pov, now is the just the right time to sell Ibra.
    He's getting 31 this autumn, and he's got 2 years more of contract at a staggering 22mil/year gross.
    That means that next summer, going towards 32 and entering the last year of contract, it will be very hard to sell him for a decent fee.
    So you'll probably keep him and see the end of his contract.
    That's -54mil (gross wages + around 5mil/year of fee amortization), split in two balance sheets.

    Instead, say you sell him this year to some riches for a fee of 15~20mil (plausible).
    Suddenly, you can buy a 30mil valued prospect, pay him 4mil net for 5 years, and have the very same loss, spread in 5 balance sheets instead of 2.
    Hell you could even buy two of them and for the next two years they would put roughly the same strain as Ibra on you balance.



    Pirlo wrote:With that in mind, i'm wondering should we sell Ibra? For all his genius come the negative tactical implications of his play, i'm wondering if we take the money and invest on a couple of really useful dynamic players for the team that better adapt the club for the modern game?
    It all revolves around who's availalble ofc, but it could be worthy

    The problem is if we do sell Ibra (I don't think we will), we will not buy anyone of commensurate quality. Berlusconi is not interested, and the financial situation of clubs in italy in general is poor. They will use all the excuses, but they won't buy. We made a huge mistake by keeping Pato, and if Berlu had anything to do with it (he did), he is a colossal moron.

    I would be happy with Hernanes, and freebies like Montolivo. I would keep Aquilani as well.

    I still think our team is not that bad. We need to sort out our injury issues. If we can keep our players fit, we can get the Scudetto back.

    I believe you can't put a premium on genius, and Ibra to me is a genius. I would rather clear out our "good(ish)" players before touching Ibra. Robinho should be sold, and Pato too. If that will finance a better midfield, then so be it. We can also add a decent striker then that wouldn't cost vital organs.
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    Post by Murray Tue May 15, 2012 7:30 pm

    abundance wrote:
    Pirlo wrote:Although a season of Cassano-Ibra is just as tempting, why split up a great partnership?
    For balances and long term planning.

    From a business pov, now is the just the right time to sell Ibra.
    He's getting 31 this autumn, and he's got 2 years more of contract at a staggering 22mil/year gross.
    That means that next summer, going towards 32 and entering the last year of contract, it will be very hard to sell him for a decent fee.
    So you'll probably keep him and see the end of his contract.
    That's -54mil (gross wages + around 5mil/year of fee amortization), split in two balance sheets.

    Instead, say you sell him this year to some riches for a fee of 15~20mil (plausible).
    Suddenly, you can buy a 30mil valued prospect, pay him 4mil net for 5 years, and have the very same loss, spread in 5 balance sheets instead of 2.
    Hell you could even buy two of them and for the next two years they would put roughly the same strain as Ibra on you balance.



    Pirlo wrote:With that in mind, i'm wondering should we sell Ibra? For all his genius come the negative tactical implications of his play, i'm wondering if we take the money and invest on a couple of really useful dynamic players for the team that better adapt the club for the modern game?
    It all revolves around who's availalble ofc, but it could be worthy

    Sounds like a good idea, the rumours of an Ibra-Balotelli swap won't go away.
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    Post by bluenine Wed May 16, 2012 3:35 pm

    Thanks for that, interesting views...
    abundance wrote:My OUT list has 12 names on it, it's an entire team and a sub =D

    Viviano
    Maicon, Lucio, Chivu
    Stankovic, Cambiasso, Palombo
    Sneijder
    Forlan, Pazzini, Zarate
    (Pandev).

    Thats a big OUT list, my friend, without a matching IN list Razz Your OUT team would easily finish top 5 in Serie A, if they could play every game... such is the case of this crazy Inter....

    I don't agree with Cambiasso (he has another season or two left in him, and baring a couple of games, he was quite good, specially under Stramna), but I can see the merit in selling the others. Maybe a clearout that you suggest is not a bad idea afterall.

    If we can retain Chivu on lower wages, it won't be all bad - he looks kinda reborn under Strama, and gives us bench options. Its like getting a bench player on a free transfer. Unless we get Benatia, of course, who may cost but IMO could be a vital starting component for Inter.

    For me, Guarin-Cambiasso-Poli is a decent starting midfield, a good starting point to build up the squad. However, we need quality DM cover (no, Mariga does not qualify), and hope we do splurge on De Jong or get Diarra on a cheap. Coz by the looks of it, Moratti will not spend sufficient money where we need it the most - the defence, and Strama will need the option of playing a double pivot (Cambiasso - De Jong?) when required.

    Isla for me is a Maicon replacement, not a Gaurin alternative. He can be the attacking FB, with Zanetti or even Chivu on the other wing as a defensive FB. I really hope we can get him, he is amazing.

    Destro for Pazzini, looks like you might just get your wish, if those strong rumours are correct. I do agree that Destro is a better back up for Milito than Pazzini, but a lot depends on the cost. I rather Inter not spend 15m on him, that money could be spent so much better in the defence.

    Like you, the Lavezzi rumours frightened me too. Coz it means that not only will we have to sell Sneijder, we will spend all that and more on Lavezzi, rather than focusing on the defence. But it looks like he is headed to PSG, thank God.

    Capello mentioned today that he was in talks with Inter, hinting that it was Moratti who pulled out. That must have taken a lot of courage from Moratti, coz having Capello with Strama as his assistant might have been a very tempting thing to do. I hope we don't live to regret that decision (Capello back to Roma? I don't see it though - it will represent a 180 degree shift from Enrique).

    I know I keep changing this slightly, as more and more options come to fore, but my current wishlist remains:

    Ideally: Benatia, Isla, De Jong, & Jovetic

    More realistically: Zapata/Bochetti, Isla, Diarra, Rossi/Higuain/Destro

    I would love to see a fantasista at Inter, we need some magic to break down defenses and rely too heavily on Sneijder. Maybe Coutinho/Alvarez or later Bessa can be that player, but if we can get Jovetic (one player I wouldn't mind Moratti breaking the bank for) or even Rossi (cheap deal may be possible with his injury and Villareal's demotion) it will be nice.

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    Post by Tarun Thu May 17, 2012 6:36 pm

    So this is the Team of the Season chosen by Dave Taylor on Football Italia. Like all such 'best of' teams there is bound to be subjective bias in an individual's selection. Let's see what you guys have to say:

    Serie A Team of the Season
    Another absorbing Serie A adventure has come to an end. Dave Taylor, having seen a craze for 3-5-2, picks his team of the season.

    Gianluigi Buffon [Juventus]

    With a record 21 clean sheets and just 16 goals conceded, ‘Superman’ has certainly lived up to his nickname this season. As imperial as ever, he has been the solid base that Juve have built their Scudetto win on. Always capable of the spectacular, he is nonetheless invariably reduced to a watching brief most games. Yet when called on to make a game-breaking save he is always there. One of his top moments must be his breath-taking block on Francesco Totti’s ferocious spot-kick in the 1-1 draw with Roma in December. We’ll forgive him for his error against Lecce. Authorative.

    Andrea Barzagli [Juventus]

    A truly commanding central defender, he has been an invariable in Juve’s defence all season. His experience, decision making and intelligence has also seen him become a highly respected player. One of the first names down on the team sheet, the 31-year-old has played in all but three of this season’s games and has been a revelation with his overall tactical awareness. Steadfast.

    Thiago Silva [Milan]

    Globally recognised as being one of the very best defenders, it has been his elegant control and ability to play the ball out of defence that has been at the heart of Milan’ success. Equally at home in midfield, he was a true figure of stability until the decision was taken to risk him in the game against Roma. Out ever since with injury, Milan’s season collapsed. If anyone can step into Alessandro Nesta’s boots, then it is Silva. Illuminating.

    Giorgio Chiellini [Juventus]

    Chiello’s raw-boned power has made him such a force of nature and consequently an integral part of Europe’s best defence. His crucial headed equaliser in Week 15’s 1-1 draw with Roma was a perfect example of why Juve have strode through the season unbeaten. He possesses all the power of a stampeding stallion and his last ditch tackles have rescued Juve on more than one occasion this campaign. Impelling.

    Christian Maggio [Napoli]

    The Italian international’s passing, passion and positioning down the right are some of the reasons for Napoli’s beautiful and captivating counter-attacking system. Always alert and an ever ready outlet from defence, his all-round contributions were best witnessed in the 3-0 defeat of Inter. The Partenopei menace scored one and had a massive hand in the other two, including winning a penalty. A further measure of his worth was seen in March and April when during his seven game absence, Napoli won just one game without him. Influential.

    Arturo Vidal [Juventus]

    If you did not know it, you would have thought the Chilean had been part of Juve’s midfield for years. With seven goals and four assists to his credit he has been a master of consistency. A combined ball winner and distributor in game after game, his decision making has been critical and nowhere was this better seen than in his brilliant goal against Napoli in Week 30’s 3-0 win, as he showed Hugo Campagnaro, no slouch himself, a clean pair of heels. Galvanic.

    Andrea Pirlo [Juventus]

    Every team needs a ‘Metronome’ and the soon to be 33-year-old has been the perfect timekeeper at the beating heart of the new champions. With 13 assists and three goals compared to his injury affected last campaign with Milan, even if not quite the raising of Lazarus from the dead, it has still been a big turn around. As Europe’s supreme pass master, he can place a ball within a millimetre of its intended target and with an average of 87 passes per game it turns out he is the top midfielder in the continent’s top five Leagues. Imperious.

    Antonio Nocerino [Milan]

    Arguably the bargain of the season, the 27-year-old cost a mere €0.5m from Palermo and has been a revelation with his awesome work-rate and box to box running. Scoring 10 goals, including a fantastic hat trick against Parma, he showed that he has several strings to his bow. Invigorating.

    Pablo Armero [Udinese]

    The 25-year-old Colombian has been one of Serie A’s most consistent players and has attracted heavy interest, thanks to his versatility and ability to play anywhere in defence and even in midfield. Started the season like a runaway train. Muscular and athletic, he is the perfect example of the modern, athletic wing-back and has 12 assists to his name, thanks to his menacing runs down the left flank. Assertive.

    Zlatan Ibrahimovic [Milan]

    As the first player to become Capocannoniere with two different Serie A clubs, the Swede’s activities as a playmaker, as well Italy’s most dangerous striker, make him the scourge of defenders everywhere. He underlined his irreplaceable value to Milan and his 28 strikes and 10 assists saw him inextricably involved in over half of their goals. Arguably his two stand-out performances this campaign were his hat-trick against Palermo and his 100th Serie A goal, the first of his two against Chievo in late November. Ameliorating.

    Ezequiel Lavezzi [Napoli]

    Il Pocho is the complete forward – scoring and supplying goals throughout the season. And although he is not top of the assist table, he brings much more than the penultimate pass. An example of his brilliance was seen in February and March when he went on a run of five games where he was absolutely unplayable, scoring six goals including the winner over Inter. As one of the trickiest dribblers in Serie A, he can make defenders look like newly born giraffes on ice and has had a seemingly telepathic understanding with Edinson Cavani and Marek Hamsik. Synergetic.
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    Post by Pirlo Thu May 17, 2012 7:05 pm

    Team of the season? Juventus surely!

    Mine:


    Buffon
    Maggio, Thiago, Barzagli, Chiellini,
    Pirlo, Marchisio, Nocerino
    Giovinco, Miccoli, Di Natale
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    Post by bluenine Thu May 17, 2012 7:54 pm

    Mine:

    Handanovic
    Thiago - Barzagli - Chiellini
    Maggio - Vidal - Pirlo - Armero
    Giovinco
    Ibrahimovic - Di Natale

    Mentions: Buffon, Lichsteiner, Isla, Samuel, Nocerino, Marchisio, Lodi, Jovetic, Lavezzi, Cavani, Milito
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    Post by worms. Thu May 17, 2012 9:53 pm

    1.Pirlo or Ibrahimovic.Hard to say,maybe Pirlo edges it for the fact he is 33 years old and the fact that without him Juve simply don't challenge for the Scudetto.

    2.Rest.
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu May 17, 2012 10:16 pm

    Del Piero finally leaving Juve.

    Now THAT is a true hashtag legend.

    I know he is 37 but fucking hell I would love to see him in a Spurs shirt. Could come on to take free kicks, rule change just cos hes such a legend. Grew up watching Del Piero, sad times knowing its almost all over
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sat May 19, 2012 2:53 pm

    Good news for Serie A IMO that Novara and Cesena went - if they could be replaced by big clubs that would be great for the league.

    So I was thinking that we want Torino, Samp and Hellas promoted - 3 biggest outside topflight (?) plus it gives us 3 new derby fixtures.

    But then I looked at the table (all teams played 40 with 2 to play) and noticed that Pescara were up there.

    I then noticed that they have scored 86 goals Shocked which is 24 higher than 2nd highest and that they had conceded 54 to Torino's 28 !!!

    I should have guessed just from those stats...


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    1. Torino 79
    2. Pescara 77
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    3. Sassuolo 74
    4. Hellas Verona 74
    5. Varese 68
    6. Sampdoria 67
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    7. Padova 63


    19 yo Verratti has made prov Italy squad and the unfortunately named Juventus-loanee Immobile has top scored with 27 but is a Genoa player from 30/6/12.

    The suprising thing from a Zeman point of view is how uncosmopolitan the squad is - nearly all Italian.


    I hope we get Torino, Pescara and Samp <Ale>

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    Post by bluenine Sat May 19, 2012 3:04 pm

    Yeah, Torino and Pescara have as good as made it. Verona & Sampdoria will probably make the play-offs, and I hope one of them makes it through.

    I am very happy for Zeman's Pescara, they have been the talk of the town. Apart from Immobile, their key player has been the Napoli owned Insigne, who is being hailed as the "new Zola"... A lot of Azzurrini talent at Pescara.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sun May 20, 2012 4:38 pm

    Hellas and sassuolo both won Evil or Very Mad

    Torino won so are promoted cheers

    Padova lost so hopefully Samp will let Pescara win as their playoff spot is secure.
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    Post by Murray Sun May 20, 2012 5:23 pm

    Coppa Italia final tonight.

    Hopefully both teams will try to win the game, we don't want another bus parking extravaganza like that shit last night.
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    Post by fcb Sun May 20, 2012 5:33 pm

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:Hellas and sassuolo both won Evil or Very Mad

    Torino won so are promoted cheers

    Padova lost so hopefully Samp will let Pescara win as their playoff spot is secure.

    Who is that woman Yikes Blush
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    Post by Pirlo Sun May 20, 2012 5:54 pm

    Pescara 0-2 up at halftime, horrible mistake by Romero for Immobile goal, beautiful work by the 'little owl' for Caprari's first,
    Pozzi just missed a penalty for samp as well,

    Zemanlandia! cheers
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    Post by Pirlo Sun May 20, 2012 6:39 pm

    Lovely work by Insigne for Caprari's second, 0-3 now, crazy movements from Pescara's players in around the samp box, classic Zeman, they're up
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sun May 20, 2012 6:46 pm

    fcb wrote:
    Pierre Littbarski wrote:Hellas and sassuolo both won Evil or Very Mad

    Torino won so are promoted cheers

    Padova lost so hopefully Samp will let Pescara win as their playoff spot is secure.

    Who is that woman Yikes Blush

    Amanda Righetti - plays Grace van Pelt in The Mentalist
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sun May 20, 2012 6:49 pm

    yeah I see a Roma loanee has scored 2.

    Antonello venditti supports Roma which brings me nicely on to this...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utliTBRkgjU

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    I bet RDM will never have a song like that written about him - Swiss conte Grr
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    Post by Murray Sun May 20, 2012 7:57 pm

    stream

    http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/49039/4/watch-espn.html
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    Post by worms. Sun May 20, 2012 8:22 pm

    Come on boys!

    We've(Barcelona or Athletic) already won the Spanish cup,now lets win the Italian one as well.
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    Post by abundance Sun May 20, 2012 9:55 pm

    congrats Napoli,
    silverware after 22 years gotta feel sooo good.


    all in all, great season from them.

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    Post by worms. Sun May 20, 2012 10:05 pm

    cheers

    At least there's a nice end to our disappointing season.

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