Coloccini is good but he's too small and is prone to getting bullied by bigger opponents, contrary to Kimbos opinion Skrtel is 6 foot 3,athletic and built like a tank.
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Kaboul
Coloccini is good but he's too small and is prone to getting bullied by bigger opponents, contrary to Kimbos opinion Skrtel is 6 foot 3,athletic and built like a tank.
Coloccini is good but he's too small and is prone to getting bullied by bigger opponents, contrary to Kimbos opinion Skrtel is 6 foot 3,athletic and built like a tank.
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about time someone stood up to Kimbo's constant assertions that Skrtel is a midget weakling.
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Skrtel has a grizzly bear carpet in his room. The bear isn't dead it is just afriad to move.
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Mike Hunt wrote:Kaboul
Kaboul is one of the most underrated players around at the moment.
Check out the stats in this article about him, the man's a monster
http://www.eplindex.com/10245/younes-kaboul-statistically-compared-rivals-opta-stats.html?
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Kaboul better than Skrtel?
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I wouldn't want to swap no
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I'm not sure what's so terribly controversial here to warrant your reaction Worms.
It's not as if someone is comparing Paris Hilton with Ginger Rogers for the crown of Greatest Hollywood Icon.
Liverpool have conceded 38 goals to Spurs' 39.
Kaboul is a full French international, and although he hasn't been flawless this season, is hardly unworthy of comparison with Skrtel, who to me is also a strong, athletic but ultimately limited brick shithouse defender. Far from a polished diamond. And definitely not the best defender in England
It's not as if someone is comparing Paris Hilton with Ginger Rogers for the crown of Greatest Hollywood Icon.
Liverpool have conceded 38 goals to Spurs' 39.
Kaboul is a full French international, and although he hasn't been flawless this season, is hardly unworthy of comparison with Skrtel, who to me is also a strong, athletic but ultimately limited brick shithouse defender. Far from a polished diamond. And definitely not the best defender in England
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Kaboul has been a beast this season and IMO has had 2-3 dodgy games. By far our best CB.
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3 posts in a row, Kaboul is officially overrated. Sorry lads, but I don' make the rules.
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Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Kaboul has been a beast this season and IMO has had 2-3 dodgy games. By far our best CB.
He's probably had as many as King, who - not counting the FA Cup game against Chelsea - has only had about 3 really poor games in the league, all nearing the back end of the season as his non existent knee deteriorates further.
I like Kaboul, but only complimenting a more calm headed CB partner like King.
Kaboul and Dawson as first choice next season would worry me.
Aside from spending big money on a replacement for King, our greatest hope has got to be that 'Arry brings Caulker back Swansea and pray he lives up to the early promise of becoming "the next Ledley". Loaned out to two clubs now, nominated as their player of the year, review within both clubs that he's something special. Well, we need that to be the case.
Back on topic - Kos, Colo, Kompany best defenders in the league this season. Probably
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Stop hyping Laurent
No hype like Arsenal hype filtered via Spurs supporters
No hype like Arsenal hype filtered via Spurs supporters
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Kaboul is better than Skrtel. Last season ALL Liverpool fans were bemoaning Skrtel, now ALL Liverpool fans think he's the bee's knees. I wish ALL Liverpool fans would make their goddamn mind up.
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To be fair Allez, it's hard not to hype or get excited about Koscielny. Partly because Wenger has never been the best at signing good defenders, but also because of the way Kos has bounced back after that CC final debacle - evidence that he's made of pretty stern stuff.
Signings like these are what made Wenger who is he now - hopefully he goes back and adopts that approach again. Kos and Sagna have definitely been the best signings in the trophyless era IMO.
Another reason I like Kos is his ability to hold his own. He plays in a team which doesn't give the defence amazing protection so for him to stand out speaks volumes about his ability. Part of the reason I'll always prefer defenders like Kos, Verm, Kompany and T.Silva over the likes of Samuel, Vidic etc.
Signings like these are what made Wenger who is he now - hopefully he goes back and adopts that approach again. Kos and Sagna have definitely been the best signings in the trophyless era IMO.
Another reason I like Kos is his ability to hold his own. He plays in a team which doesn't give the defence amazing protection so for him to stand out speaks volumes about his ability. Part of the reason I'll always prefer defenders like Kos, Verm, Kompany and T.Silva over the likes of Samuel, Vidic etc.
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Romford Pele wrote:To be fair Allez, it's hard not to hype or get excited about Koscielny. Partly because Wenger has never been the best at signing good defenders, but also because of the way Kos has bounced back after that CC final debacle - evidence that he's made of pretty stern stuff.
Signings like these are what made Wenger who is he now - hopefully he goes back and adopts that approach again. Kos and Sagna have definitely been the best signings in the trophyless era IMO.
Another reason I like Kos is his ability to hold his own. He plays in a team which doesn't give the defence amazing protection so for him to stand out speaks volumes about his ability. Part of the reason I'll always prefer defenders like Kos, Verm, Kompany and T.Silva over the likes of Samuel, Vidic etc.
what's wrong with J'Lloyd
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Romford Pele wrote:To be fair Allez, it's hard not to hype or get excited about Koscielny. Partly because Wenger has never been the best at signing good defenders, but also because of the way Kos has bounced back after that CC final debacle - evidence that he's made of pretty stern stuff.
Signings like these are what made Wenger who is he now - hopefully he goes back and adopts that approach again. Kos and Sagna have definitely been the best signings in the trophyless era IMO.
Another reason I like Kos is his ability to hold his own. He plays in a team which doesn't give the defence amazing protection so for him to stand out speaks volumes about his ability. Part of the reason I'll always prefer defenders like Kos, Verm, Kompany and T.Silva over the likes of Samuel, Vidic etc.
Bingo-Bango.
Kaboul- Koscielny would be an awesome partnership for les blues.
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Strength at the back
Despite an average Prem season, several great center backs have emerged
With three games left this season, it's fair to say that we haven't seen a high-quality Premier League campaign. The top two clubs are on course for a record combined points total, yet both have underwhelmed down the stretch. The other usual suspects -- Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and Liverpool -- have all had significant moments of crisis. Furthermore, English clubs have had their worst season in the Champions League for years, despite Chelsea's surprise run to the final, while the sides contesting relegation seem poorer than ever.
So where has the quality been? The answer probably lies in each individual side, often at center back. There, we've seen some surprise stars this season, many of whom haven't received sufficient praise.
That's particularly obvious at Manchester United. Sir Alex Ferguson's first-choice pairing in the past few seasons has been Nemanja Vidic and Rio Ferdinand, a perfect blend of strength and style, and arguably the best partnership Ferguson has ever had at United. With both players now in their 30s, Ferguson is well aware of the need to bring in long-term replacements. Chris Smalling was signed in 2010 as an understudy to Ferdinand, while Phil Jones arrived last summer and was widely touted as the next Vidic.
In theory, that left Jonny Evans as United's fifth choice, though he's started more games this season than any other United center back. Ferdinand has had fitness problems and Vidic's knee injury in December ruled him out for the rest of the campaign, while both Smalling and Jones have filled in at right back (Jones has also seen time in the heart of midfield), meaning Evans has become United's main man. It's a complete turnaround from last season, when the Northern Irishman endured a terrible game in the 4-0 Carling Cup defeat at West Ham: He was responsible for two goals, was hauled off by Ferguson, and some predicted he would be sold.
Evans' problem was his lack of physicality. He was clearly quick, positionally intelligent and good at distributing the ball from the back, but powerful strikers caused him significant difficulty. Now he's less timid and more dominant in the air. Ferguson has called him "arguably the best defender in the country this season," and considers him a front-runner for United's player of the year award. He reiterates his belief that Evans was always considered a first-team regular, but admits that he'd lined up Smalling and Jones as his future center back duo. Evans has changed that.
Evans' story this season shares many similarities with that of Laurent Koscielny, Arsenal's French center back. He arrived from Lorient last year with plenty of potential but was thrown in at the deep end, forced to become a regular while still adapting to the league. He was sent off on his debut at Anfield, and then Thomas Vermaelen's long-term injury coupled with the struggles of both Johan Djourou and Sebastien Squillaci meant Koscielny played far more than Arsene Wenger had intended in 2010-11.
But a superb display in the 2-1 home win over Barcelona confirmed his ability, and since then he's been extremely consistent. Though Vermaelen has returned, it's Koscielny who has starred, something the Belgian defender acknowledges. "He has done amazing this season," Vermaelen noted. "He is good all-round: He is quick, strong and good with the ball."
Like Evans, Kosicelny's initial problem was his physicality. Yet, importantly, he understands his limitations. "I don't have the physical strength of Nemanja Vidic," he concedes. "However, I don't believe you have to be physically big to be the best defender; you can compensate in other areas. I have improved a lot on how I read the game and anticipate what my opponent will do and where the ball will go … my aim is never to let the striker open on his good foot to go towards goal. You have to be very intelligent."
With these two players excelling through clever positioning rather than raw strength, it would be tempting to talk about the rise of the stylish, ball-playing center back. Yet the surprise stars at other clubs have been more traditional defenders. At Tottenham, Ledley King is a club legend, while Michael Dawson and William Gallas are highly experienced Premier League players, but it is Younes Kaboul who has been the club's most dependable player at the back. He's decent on the ball, and good positionally, but unlike Evans and Koscielny, his main quality is his height and power. He's won 3.9 aerial duels per match this season, more than any other center back in the division, and made 9.1 clearances per match -- higher than any other player from a top Prem team.
This is Kaboul's second spell at Spurs, and manager Harry Redknapp is frank about how disappointing Kaboul's first period at Tottenham was -- "He had a bit of a disaster here first time, didn't he?" But Redknapp now sees him as "a monster -- fantastic in the air, as quick as lightning, strong. He's got everything."
That could be an apt description of Liverpool's Martin Skrtel -- after all, his nickname is "The Terminator." The Slovakian enjoyed a good 2010-11 season but has been even better in this campaign, summed up nicely by teammate Stewart Downing. "Martin Skrtel has got to be the player of the season so far. He's always in the right place at the right time, a real unsung hero … I can't remember him having a bad game," the winger added. "He'll head anything, block anything; all the lads are saying he's getting better and better." There is now no doubt that Skrtel, rather than the injury-prone Daniel Agger, is Liverpool's primary center back.
With Evans and Koscielny a completely different type of defender than Kaboul and Skrtel, this doesn't represent a change in style. Partnerships in football are all about contrasts, matching players with different qualities; if given the chance, you'd combine Evans or Koscielny with Kaboul or Skrtel for an ideal center back pairing.
Yet none of the aforementioned players featured in the PFA Team of the Year. Those places went to Manchester City's Vincent Kompany and Newcastle's Fabricio Coloccini: traditional, strong center backs who have evolved to become all-rounders. Both are fully deserving of their place in the select XI. It's a surprising development; in a campaign that started with so many high-scoring matches, the standard of center backs in 2011-12 has been superb. That, as opposed to any significant tactical changes, is the overwhelming trend of this Premier League season.
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/story/_/id/7861960/michael-cox-rise-quality-center-backs-premier-league
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debaser wrote:Romford Pele wrote:To be fair Allez, it's hard not to hype or get excited about Koscielny. Partly because Wenger has never been the best at signing good defenders, but also because of the way Kos has bounced back after that CC final debacle - evidence that he's made of pretty stern stuff.
Signings like these are what made Wenger who is he now - hopefully he goes back and adopts that approach again. Kos and Sagna have definitely been the best signings in the trophyless era IMO.
Another reason I like Kos is his ability to hold his own. He plays in a team which doesn't give the defence amazing protection so for him to stand out speaks volumes about his ability. Part of the reason I'll always prefer defenders like Kos, Verm, Kompany and T.Silva over the likes of Samuel, Vidic etc.
what's wrong with J'Lloyd
Haha, I forgot that guy still existed
Is he still at Bolton?
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Vermalin has always been a average defender but good on the ball.
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Vermalin is shit,he's a defender but yet can't defend.
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You're a fucking retard. Where in my post do I say we have a great team and a great defence?
Vermaelen has his flaws but like Koscielny, he holds his own in a team which is awful tactically.
Vermaelen has his flaws but like Koscielny, he holds his own in a team which is awful tactically.
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tbh it's not hard to be Tottenhams best defender.
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Romford Pele wrote:You're a fucking retard. Where in my post do I say we have a great team and a great defence?
Vermaelen has his flaws but like Koscielny, he holds his own in a team which is awful tactically.
Many Arsenal fans seem to rate their defenders very highly,Sagna is the best RB in the league,Koschelney better than Samuel,Vermalin better than Vidic etc yet your defense is average at best.
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Més que un club wrote:To be fair at the end of the day tbh it's not hard to be Tottenhams best defender.
Certainly harder than it is to be Liverpool's best CB
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Agger and Sktrel
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Romford Pele wrote:debaser wrote:Romford Pele wrote:To be fair Allez, it's hard not to hype or get excited about Koscielny. Partly because Wenger has never been the best at signing good defenders, but also because of the way Kos has bounced back after that CC final debacle - evidence that he's made of pretty stern stuff.
Signings like these are what made Wenger who is he now - hopefully he goes back and adopts that approach again. Kos and Sagna have definitely been the best signings in the trophyless era IMO.
Another reason I like Kos is his ability to hold his own. He plays in a team which doesn't give the defence amazing protection so for him to stand out speaks volumes about his ability. Part of the reason I'll always prefer defenders like Kos, Verm, Kompany and T.Silva over the likes of Samuel, Vidic etc.
what's wrong with J'Lloyd
Haha, I forgot that guy still existed
Is he still at Bolton?
Had to google him. Was released end of last season and finally got a new club in January...in Iran
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Més que un club wrote:Romford Pele wrote:You're a fucking retard. Where in my post do I say we have a great team and a great defence?
Vermaelen has his flaws but like Koscielny, he holds his own in a team which is awful tactically.
Many Arsenal fans seem to rate their defenders very highly,Sagna is the best RB in the league,Koschelney better than Samuel,Vermalin better than Vidic etc yet your defense is shite.
Deal with it.
Collectively our defence is poor but they are all fantastic individual players.
Vidic and Samuel could never play for Barca for example. Seeing as they are "one" of your teams, I thought you would know this.
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Too many Arsenal supporters on here.
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Més que un club wrote:Agger and Sktrel
A talented crock and a fake hard man. Good going.
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Romford Pele wrote:To be fair Allez, it's hard not to hype or get excited about Koscielny. Partly because Wenger has never been the best at signing good defenders, but also because of the way Kos has bounced back after that CC final debacle - evidence that he's made of pretty stern stuff.
Signings like these are what made Wenger who is he now - hopefully he goes back and adopts that approach again. Kos and Sagna have definitely been the best signings in the trophyless era IMO.
Another reason I like Kos is his ability to hold his own. He plays in a team which doesn't give the defence amazing protection so for him to stand out speaks volumes about his ability. Part of the reason I'll always prefer defenders like Kos, Verm, Kompany and T.Silva over the likes of Samuel, Vidic etc.
Whilst I fully agree with you here, every time someone makes a list of such defenders and fails to include Ledley, a part of me dies inside.
Like some reeking 90year old veteran bleating on about the war down your local, I will never stop waffling on how marvellous King has been to the game of fussball, and still is (forget those writing him off, every defender goes through a bad patch, even ones with no second knee), so f*ck you all
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Romford Pele wrote:Més que un club wrote:Romford Pele wrote:You're a fucking retard. Where in my post do I say we have a great team and a great defence?
Vermaelen has his flaws but like Koscielny, he holds his own in a team which is awful tactically.
Many Arsenal fans seem to rate their defenders very highly,Sagna is the best RB in the league,Koschelney better than Samuel,Vermalin better than Vidic etc yet your defense is shite.
Collectively our defence is poor but they are all fantastic individual players.
Vidic and Samuel could never play for Barca for example. Seeing as they are "one" of your teams, I thought you would know this.
Yes they could,Vermanlin wouldn't get anywhere near our bench never mind starting 11,Koschelny would be a good squad player.
Vermalin a fantastic individual player ,his positioning is abysmal.
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