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    Post by Balack was Coward Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:59 am

    Kroos wrote:A SWEET WIN IN ITALY

    LOVED THE SAD FACES FROM BUFFON AND PIRLO

    UTTERLY RAPED


    and compared to gomez, mandz. is way slower, like i said numerous times, beside his workrate he is utter shit, 2 goals in the cl, gomez scored 12 last season,, but i can`t deny it, he is an animal in terms of working and pressing, thats also helpful for teammates, not sure if it`s as helpful as a nice lead, thats would gomez offer

    PURO i wouldn`t be to excited, i am sure gomez will play

    Too bad Gomez bottled it when it mattered, in the last 3 games of the competition. Missed numerous chances in the 1st leg against Madrid. Should have buried them in the 2nd leg before it went to Extra Time. In the Final he was trash!

    Manzukic is one of the reasons Bayern are a much better team this year, he is more dynamic when Bayern have possession( He often moves out to the wings which drags his markers out the way to make space for others and takes part in the build up play,something Gomez isn't mobile or technically good enough to do) and perhaps most importantly he is a integral part of Bayern's unparalleled pressing game. Something Gomez isn't capable of either. The only thing Gomez is better at is being a penalty box striker, because of his superior physique and heading ability. But Bayern playing this way made them too one dimensional, as was showcased in the Final against Chelsea. When Bayern were endlessly crossing it into the box with very little reward. Gomez will probably be gone in the summer because in my opinion he is too limited to play in a Guardiola team, I don't think Guardiola will want him. Just my take on it, still a very good player who could be crucial in the remaining games this season.
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    Post by Balack was Coward Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:02 am

    Puro wrote:Greatest team ever? SIXTH straight semifinal appearance and thus eclipsing Real Madrid's five back in the 50's.

    2012-13 (?)-Barça (?)

    2011-12 Chelsea-Barça 1-0 / 2-2 (semifinalist) [posts, crossbars and Messi PK, pussy Chelsea].

    2010-11 Real Madrid-Barça 0-2 / 1-1 (Campeón) [pussy Real Madrid, but not pussy utterly crushed Man Utd.].

    2009-10 Inter-Barça 3-1 / 1-0 (semifinalist) [Barça legit goals disallowed, pussy Inter offside goal allowed].

    2008-09 Barça-Chelsea 0-0 / 1-1 (Campeón) [pussy Chelsea, but not pussy utterly destroyed Man Utd.].

    2007-08 Barça-Manchester U. 0-0 / 1-0 (semifinalist) [Zambrotta gift to pussy Utd.].

    2006-07 Barça-Liverpool 1-2 / 1-0 (R16) [posts and crossbars match, Eto'o's sitter, pussy Liverpool]

    2005-06 Milan-Barça 0-1 / 1-1 (Campeón) [Milan not pussy, but pussy Arsenal].

    2004-05 Barça-Chelsea 2-1 / 2-4 (R16) [Collina gift to pussy Chelsea]

    <Ale>

    In the current era 6 consecutive Semi Finals is amazing. Best team ever. Although they were lucky last night.

    By the way I don't know how to use the Multi-Quote feature, anybody?
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    Post by Antarion Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:51 am

    Just click on any multi-quote button you want to quote, then press "add reply"
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    Post by S4P Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:00 am

    6 consecutive semis for messi que un club. A great achievement.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:11 am

    Kroos wrote:how good has die Bundesliga become

    since 2010 we always had a german team in the semi final

    bayern
    schalke
    bayern
    bayern, dortmund

    3 teams, while italy had just inter, england with united and chelsea, and spain with barca and madrid


    its about time to win it, but barca is still the team to beat, messi can create goals out of nothing, they have to be beaten "again" to lose there immmortal status in the cl

    Football is all about winning so we're not really interested in how many losers the bundesliga has produced since 2010.

    No German team has won the competition since 2001. In that same time period, a serie a club has won it 3 times. FACT.
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    Post by Antarion Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:05 am

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    Kroos wrote:how good has die Bundesliga become

    since 2010 we always had a german team in the semi final

    bayern
    schalke
    bayern
    bayern, dortmund

    3 teams, while italy had just inter, england with united and chelsea, and spain with barca and madrid


    its about time to win it, but barca is still the team to beat, messi can create goals out of nothing, they have to be beaten "again" to lose there immmortal status in the cl

    Football is all about winning so we're not really interested in how many losers the bundesliga has produced since 2010.

    No German team has won the competition since 2001. In that same time period, a serie a club has won it 3 times. FACT.

    It's not all black or white though. Yeah in the end it's about winning, but it's also enjoyable to see clubs you are interested in doing well. I wouldn't have cared for Malaga vs Barca at all in the semifinals for example. But with german teams involved, I will watch every match.

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    Post by Tarun Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:18 am

    Buddy...I find your words like 'utterly raped' a bit out of place! This is our first CL QF after a long gap & this is a side that is rebuilding. And what do you expect Buffon & Pirlo to do after losing? Laugh!!!

    That said congratulations to Bayern for the win! They were the better side by miles over the 2 legs & there is no embarrassment to lose to a side like them.

    Had we drawn against sides like Barca & RM I would have expected the same outcome. We are not a side that is ready yet & yesterday's loss shows that there is much to improve for the personnel in the team as well as the experience of the relatively new coach in Conte. But I am sure we will be featuring a bit more regularly in the UCL from now on.


    Kroos wrote:A SWEET WIN IN ITALY

    LOVED THE SAD FACES FROM BUFFON AND PIRLO

    UTTERLY RAPED


    and compared to gomez, mandz. is way slower, like i said numerous times, beside his workrate he is utter shit, 2 goals in the cl, gomez scored 12 last season,, but i can`t deny it, he is an animal in terms of working and pressing, thats also helpful for teammates, not sure if it`s as helpful as a nice lead, thats would gomez offer

    PURO i wouldn`t be to excited, i am sure gomez will play
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    Post by Tarun Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:19 am

    ok
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

    Football is all about winning so we're not really interested in how many losers the bundesliga has produced since 2010.

    No German team has won the competition since 2001. In that same time period, a serie a club has won it 3 times. FACT.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:56 am

    Barca didn't deserve to go through. They've only won 1 of their last 5 champions leaugue games, and 2 of their last 7 Smile
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:02 am

    Kroos wrote:A SWEET WIN IN ITALY

    LOVED THE SAD FACES FROM BUFFON AND PIRLO

    UTTERLY RAPED



    nah, this was a raping (and it still hurts you, badly):
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:42 am

    The problem as Pierre has raised as well is that where can Juventus really improve?

    Having a striker like Llorente can really help them and Juve needs a big player upfront. Vucinic is a hard one to crack because I really have no idea what to make of him. Besides a better striker combination what can Juve change except growing more cohesive?

    Of course the Germans are happy and they deserve to be after being out in the cold for so long. Now they are finally back and with style as well. But Bobo is right to point out that we still await a German victory in Cl or by their national team. As long as that is the case they won't be able to challenge either England or Spain for the title of best league.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:45 am

    Super Mourinho wrote:The problem as Pierre has raised as well is that where can Juventus really improve?

    Having a striker like Llorente can really help them and Juve needs a big player upfront. Vucinic is a hard one to crack because I really have no idea what to make of him. Besides a better striker combination what can Juve change except growing more cohesive?

    Of course the Germans are happy and they deserve to be after being out in the cold for so long. Now they are finally back and with style as well. But Bobo is right to point out that we still await a German victory in Cl or by their national team. As long as that is the case they won't be able to challenge either England or Spain for the title of best league.

    More adaptability. They can't play 3-5-2 all the time, but it was hard for Conte to change because the whole squad is designed to play 3-5-2.
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    Post by Balack was Coward Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:00 pm

    A good LB/LWB. Some cover for Pirlo who hasn't been as good as last year. Verrati would have been ideal but Juve were being cheapskates and got outbid.

    Sell shit like Anelka,Matri and Bendtner.Sell Quidrela or whatever he's called. Keep Giovinco and Vucinic, buy another proven goalscorer as well as Llorente.

    Conte should introduce more tactical variation ie 4 man defense. But if they play a 4 - 2 - 3 - 1 they don't have any good wide attacking midfielders to play in the 3. Which means they would have to splash even more cash.
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    Post by bluenine Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:04 pm

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:Bayern comfortable over the 2 legs and without Kroos tonight that's no mean feat.

    Juventus one of the best teams in Europe (prob 5th) but clearly a step down from Bayern.

    Which is fine but its not too easy to see where they can strengthen - if you take tonight's 1st team but with Lichsteiner RWB its only really Quagliarella (occasionally brilliant) who is the obvious one to be upgraded.

    The most satisfying thing about this is that we have the 4 best teams in Europe in the semis so the draw has worked out well.

    Its not just Litchsteiner, but also Vidal who is one of the best in the world in his position IMO. Juve are clearly a step below the european heavyweights at the mo, and that showed last night. To close the gap, Juve need to make a few changes:

    1. A top striker or two. Quag & Vucinic could be decent options for the bench, but Juve need top quality starting strikers. A player like Suarez will make all the difference. I would suggest that they get rid of Anelka, Bendtner, Giovinco, and Matri, and get two forwards, a top CF like Suarez/Martinez and a support striker like Sanchez. This is the most obvious step up that uve need, and they have to spend big here to make that step up. There is no shortcut here.

    2. Get rid of the 3-man defense. Its too tactically limiting for Europe.

    3. If they have money after point 1, then they need to improve on Bonucci. Or get a top LB, and play Chiellini-Barzagli in the middle.

    4. If they still have money left, get a Pirlo replacement - he cannot go on forever at this level.

    In an ideal world, this would mean 4 top player buys for Juve, for example players like:

    IN: Suarez, Baines, Verratti, Sanchez

    The first two are critical, the latter two are desirable. Imagine a Juve starting XI like this, those 3 new players transform the quality of the team:

    SUAREZ
    Asamoah -------------------------- SANCHEZ
    Marchisio --- Vidal
    Pirlo
    BAINES - Chiellini - Barzagli - Litchsteiner
    Buffon

    Of course this is unrealistic under the current financial climate. But if I were Marrotta, I would focus all the transfer budget to get two players of Suarez and Baines quality. Vucinic/Quag could fill in for Sanchez for now. And Pirlo replacement could wait another year.

    Its time for Juve to focus on world class or near world class players. 1-2 such players every window, and they will get there sooner rather than later.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:16 pm

    You forgot that they got Llorente on a free transfer so they won't have room for Suarez unless they keep the 3-5-2. But you're right that a player like Sanchez could be a really good move because they could get him much cheaper than Barca did. He could work in both in the current Juve system or in a system with wingers. That would be a very shrewd move on Juve's part.

    I don't think they should get rid of the 3-5-2 because it can be an advantage to play a system you're not accustomed to playing. The trick is to be flexible which Conte hasn't been since his first season where he played many different systems until he settled with 3-5-2. He is still young but he has to learn the value of a flexible system in big games both before and during games.
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    Post by Fey Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:28 pm

    Not many suprises last night. Must say im a bit dissapointed in Juventus. Didnt think the gap between Bayern would be that big. Not sure if it was the strength of Bayern or the weakness of Juventus, who clearly lack a top class striker.

    Barcelona were gay as usual, feckin one man team. Anyway I like the semi finalists, though with Bayern, Madrid and Barcelona there...it's not really a suprising one. Actually Dortmund there isnt as much of a suprise either. Hope it will be Barca-Dortmund and Madrid-Bayern.
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    Post by Kroos Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:59 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    Kroos wrote:how good has die Bundesliga become

    since 2010 we always had a german team in the semi final

    bayern
    schalke
    bayern
    bayern, dortmund

    3 teams, while italy had just inter, england with united and chelsea, and spain with barca and madrid


    its about time to win it, but barca is still the team to beat, messi can create goals out of nothing, they have to be beaten "again" to lose there immmortal status in the cl

    Football is all about winning so we're not really interested in how many losers the bundesliga has produced since 2010.

    No German team has won the competition since 2001. In that same time period, a serie a club has won it 3 times. FACT.

    i would be still concerned about your club football, like Conte said after the match yesterday:

    I can't see an Italian team winning the Champions League in the coming years
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    Post by Kroos Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:00 pm

    Zlatan's little helper wrote:
    Kroos wrote:A SWEET WIN IN ITALY

    LOVED THE SAD FACES FROM BUFFON AND PIRLO

    UTTERLY RAPED


    and compared to gomez, mandz. is way slower, like i said numerous times, beside his workrate he is utter shit, 2 goals in the cl, gomez scored 12 last season,, but i can`t deny it, he is an animal in terms of working and pressing, thats also helpful for teammates, not sure if it`s as helpful as a nice lead, thats would gomez offer

    PURO i wouldn`t be to excited, i am sure gomez will play

    Too bad Gomez bottled it when it mattered, in the last 3 games of the competition. Missed numerous chances in the 1st leg against Madrid. Should have buried them in the 2nd leg before it went to Extra Time. In the Final he was trash!

    Manzukic is one of the reasons Bayern are a much better team this year, he is more dynamic when Bayern have possession( He often moves out to the wings which drags his markers out the way to make space for others and takes part in the build up play,something Gomez isn't mobile or technically good enough to do) and perhaps most importantly he is a integral part of Bayern's unparalleled pressing game. Something Gomez isn't capable of either. The only thing Gomez is better at is being a penalty box striker, because of his superior physique and heading ability. But Bayern playing this way made them too one dimensional, as was showcased in the Final against Chelsea. When Bayern were endlessly crossing it into the box with very little reward. Gomez will probably be gone in the summer because in my opinion he is too limited to play in a Guardiola team, I don't think Guardiola will want him. Just my take on it, still a very good player who could be crucial in the remaining games this season.

    Bayern is not better because of MM, we are better because we copied stuff from dortmund, and tell me, whats the recipe to beat a parking the bus chelsea, yeah he missed a very good chance, but so did many other strikers before, gomez has a 1 to 1 goals/assist per game involvement

    gomez is one of the best one touch footballer we have in germany, and don`t tell me that it`s hard to play the way like MM does, he is a facking runner, but still i realize the value of MM, but i wouldn`t overstate it

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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:32 pm

    Kroos wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    Kroos wrote:how good has die Bundesliga become

    since 2010 we always had a german team in the semi final

    bayern
    schalke
    bayern
    bayern, dortmund

    3 teams, while italy had just inter, england with united and chelsea, and spain with barca and madrid


    its about time to win it, but barca is still the team to beat, messi can create goals out of nothing, they have to be beaten "again" to lose there immmortal status in the cl

    Football is all about winning so we're not really interested in how many losers the bundesliga has produced since 2010.

    No German team has won the competition since 2001. In that same time period, a serie a club has won it 3 times. FACT.

    i would be still concerned about your club football, like Conte said after the match yesterday:

    I can't see an Italian team winning the Champions League in the coming years

    people said the same in 2006 and look what happened.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:03 pm

    That is true. People have written off Italian football but they tend to bounce back either on the international level or at club level. The more correct question Kroos is whether Italian football will be a dominant league again in the coming years. Here it seems much more clear that Germany will become or perhaps already have become a top league. I thought it would happen earlier but Dortmund's performance seems to suggest that Germany is almost there. Certainly if Spain can be regarded a top league despite only having 2 good teams then surely Germany deserves the same credit. You still need some titles though.
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    Post by Romford Pele Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:08 pm

    Poor Cesc, should've never moved to Barca Sad
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    Post by Kroos Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:26 pm

    Italy has no golden generation, just a few gems, but the backbone for every top league are homegrown players

    FFP

    no money from Berlusconi, Moratti........

    building new arenas and infrastructure will hinder clubs to strengthen there squads



    thats good reasons why i believe that italien club football will need some time to reach top level again

    2006 was completly different, the MILAN side peaked at this time, and your golden generation from italy too,

    italy made just 2 semifinals since 2007, hardly impressive, and both snatched the title, yeah thats good
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    Post by Romford Pele Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:31 pm

    Italy have some great players coming through:
    Balotelli
    El Shaarawy
    De Sciglio
    Abate
    Verrati

    I'm sure there are others that the Serie A posters can highlight which i've missed. Part of the reason Italians still do so well in knockout competitions is that they are tactically way ahead of other nations, and this doesn't look set to change soon either.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:33 pm

    Kroos wrote:Italy has no golden generation, just a few gems, but the backbone for every top league are homegrown players

    FFP

    no money from Berlusconi, Moratti........

    building new arenas and infrastructure will hinder clubs to strengthen there squads



    thats good reasons why i believe that italien club football will need some time to reach top level again

    2006 was completly different, the MILAN side peaked at this time, and your golden generation from italy too,

    italy made just 2 semifinals since 2007, hardly impressive, and both snatched the title

    All this goes to show is that Germans these days are a bunch of bottle jobs as shown by Bayern last year and 2010. When italian clubs reached the final, they finished the job.
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    Post by Kroos Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:34 pm

    Romford Pele wrote:Italy have some great players coming through:
    Balotelli
    El Shaarawy
    De Sciglio
    Abate
    Verrati

    I'm sure there are others that the Serie A posters can highlight which i've missed. Part of the reason Italians still do so well in knockout competitions is that they are tactically way ahead of other nations, and this doesn't look set to change soon either.

    i said they have a few gems Wink

    and i don`t think that italy is the best league in terms of tactics,
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    Post by Antarion Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:42 pm

    Super Mourinho wrote:That is true. People have written off Italian football but they tend to bounce back either on the international level or at club level. The more correct question Kroos is whether Italian football will be a dominant league again in the coming years. Here it seems much more clear that Germany will become or perhaps already have become a top league. I thought it would happen earlier but Dortmund's performance seems to suggest that Germany is almost there. Certainly if Spain can be regarded a top league despite only having 2 good teams then surely Germany deserves the same credit. You still need some titles though.

    Depends on your definition of a top league. Overall strength (and how to measure it), 5 year ranking, titles, what timeframe do we look at...?

    Two teams don't make a real top league for me. Unless CL is all that counts, then having two teams in the last 4 is definately a thing. But you never know how Dortmund will perform next year.
    Spanish teams did far more in Europa League too. While we also had some semi finalists and finalists, we don't had our Sevilla or Atletico. So its more than "just two teams".

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    Post by Fey Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:47 pm

    It's more recent that Feyenoord won a European cup then any given German team..I think that says it all. Though the German league is on the rise for sure, they do need to get some silverware fast. I did enjoy the tedious Bundesliga propaganda commercials in asia. It could have been made by Kroos!
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    Post by Kroos Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:48 pm

    Fey wrote:It's more recent that Feyenoord won a European cup then any given German team..I think that says it all. Though the German league is on the rise for sure, they do need to get some silverware fast. I did enjoy the tedious Bundesliga propaganda commercials in asia. It could have been made by Kroos!

    thats awesome, tell me about it, maybe you find something on youtube cheers
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    Post by Fey Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:29 pm

    Kroos wrote:
    Fey wrote:It's more recent that Feyenoord won a European cup then any given German team..I think that says it all. Though the German league is on the rise for sure, they do need to get some silverware fast. I did enjoy the tedious Bundesliga propaganda commercials in asia. It could have been made by Kroos!

    thats awesome, tell me about it, maybe you find something on youtube cheers

    Already tried, I only get WW2 stuff, fuckin asians Sad It was so awesome, it was about the fact that you have the best youngsters in the world. The most goals per game, which is nonsense cause the Eredivisie has more I believe. Also you had the best stadiums in the world with the best atmosphere, best referees etc.

    I swear you could have made it, needless to say I was thinking about you when I watched it Champions League Quarter-finals Thread - Page 12 F_lovebl
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    Post by Balack was Coward Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:48 pm

    Super Mourinho wrote:That is true. People have written off Italian football but they tend to bounce back either on the international level or at club level. The more correct question Kroos is whether Italian football will be a dominant league again in the coming years. Here it seems much more clear that Germany will become or perhaps already have become a top league. I thought it would happen earlier but Dortmund's performance seems to suggest that Germany is almost there. Certainly if Spain can be regarded a top league despite only having 2 good teams then surely Germany deserves the same credit. You still need some titles though.

    Malaga and Atletico aren't good teams ?

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