Premier League 27/28/29 April 2013

Kimbo wrote:

Rafael Glenítez wrote:he was LMA and EPL manager of the year last season, if he signed an 8 year contract as the lowliest paid manager in the league with such a cheap buyout clause then his agent needs shooting

That season was an anomaly in his career and he knows it, regardless of what silly awards were given to him.

that's irrelevant, it's still a massive bargaining tool for an agent and certainly enough incentive for him to walk away from a silly deal - why accept an 8 year contract as the worst paid manager in the league if it just ties you to the club for 8 years as the lowliest paid manager in the league, while having such a shitty buyout clause?

And of all the things published in THE MEDIA this is the one you choose to believe?

Open your eyes mes amis

Rafael Glenítez wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Rafael Glenítez wrote:he was LMA and EPL manager of the year last season, if he signed an 8 year contract as the lowliest paid manager in the league with such a cheap buyout clause then his agent needs shooting

That season was an anomaly in his career and he knows it, regardless of what silly awards were given to him.

that's irrelevant, it's still a massive bargaining tool for an agent and certainly enough incentive for him to walk away from a silly deal - why accept an 8 year contract as the worst paid manager in the league if it just ties you to the club for 8 years as the lowliest paid manager in the league, while having such a shitty buyout clause?

And of all the things published in THE MEDIA this is the one you choose to believe?

Open your eyes mes amis

I didn't say I believe it, I said that is what has been reported in the press. Pardew was brought in because he's cheap, even with the new contract he won't be on big money.

In my lifetime as a Newcastle supporter, that was the most shameful performance I've seen, from the worst manager and the worst group of players we have had. Mike Ashley shouldn't escape all blame: he's at the root of our problems, and responsible for hiring a manager struggling at the time in the third tier, who had long since proven himself incapable of managing at the top level. The palpable apathy amongst the supporters owes to the sense that no proper manager will be approached by or will consider joining us.

It's also not the case that the players have gradually lost faith in Pardew: for whatever reason, after last season's relative success, the majority of the first-team looked disinterested, despondent or agitated from the very start of this season last August. The recent home defeats have been the culmination of the collective failures of the manager, the coaching staff and the players through the entire course of the season.

Sharing the blame around isn't to suggest that Pardew is anything other than an abject c**t, so eager to foist himself whenever he thinks there's some credit to be had, but a nasty coward in his immoral tactics and in his response to any of the obvious and overwhelming negatives about him and the team. His goading of Di Canio last week was revolting, as was his racing down the tunnel at the end of today's match. Our utter lack of strategy and our disabling coaching methods suggest a mental deficiency.

The gutlessness of the French players in our squad in particular is blatant and disgusting. Cabaye and Debuchy are two vulgar street thugs absolutely intent on hiding whenever things aren't going their way; Cabaye is a sham captain; Debuchy, who we lusted after for so long, no better at right-back than Danny Simpson. Sissoko and Cisse are thick and they, along with Gutierrez and Perch, woefully lack technique. Haidara looks out of his depth, which is probably to be expected in these circumstances; Taylor and Yanga-Mbiwa are performing little better.

We deserve to go down - only QPR are as characterless as and more thoroughly mismanaged than we are. We have to hope Wigan fail to manage five points; and then it requires another radical overhaul.

Its lucky Suarez's 10 match ban doesn't kick in until next game, they sure are going to miss WPOTY on that evidence.

Speaking of WPOTY, does this mean Sisokko isn't going to get nominated after all?

There is a lesson to be learnt here about French plsyers. Something about when backs are against the wall don't expect them to provide the corks because they will join in the raping instead. Or something

Big Willy wrote:I watched Coutinho in La Liga and Serie A and although it was obvious he has a lot of potential he was nowhere near as good as he has been in the Premier League. Further evidence that the Premier League is poor defensively and poor tactically too in terms of the space in midfield, poor pressing and counter pressing etc.

Newcastle have made him look like Maradona today, some of the shittest defending I have seen in a long time.

This might be one of the shittest knee jerk arguments ive heard in awhile. Good to have you back worm.

Maybe its also because players haven't had much time to work him out and nullify him yet. You only have to look at your opponents today to see a team littered with players who enjoyed a honeymoon start to their EPL vareers and tailed off. Or maybe he just feels settled at 20 and motivated to reach his potential whereas before that was not the case. Balotelli appears to be doing far better in Serie A than in the EPL. What to make of that huh. Or is that also down to a step up in tactics, pressing?

someone needed to tell Coutinho how easy the Premier League is when we were drawing 0-0 with Reading and West Ham.

He's been excellent in the games against relegation fodder Wigan, Villa, Newcastle and a Swansea pre-cup-final XI. Both times he's faced a 'top' side (Chelsea and Spurs) he found it so easy he had to be subbed off.

He is an exciting player though, I think he and Sturridge will benefit most in Suarez's absence.

For a start Ballotelli isn't a midfielder, so the amount of time and space in midfield doesn't effect him nearly as much as it would an attacking midfielder like Coutinho. And I am not kneejerking of one game, I am basing my opinion on the high number of PL, La Liga and Serie A games I watch every season.

Ballotelli also seems to play better when playing for teams he cares more. I don't think he liked being at City at all and this affected his performances as he is clearly a player that needs to be motivated.

Do you want me to find the quote by David Silva where he says how much easier it is to thrive in England, compared to Spain ? Where he says how much more time and space there is in midfield? How there is much bigger gaps between the defense and midfield...

So are people seriously telling me he has turned into a world beater in the space of a years time? Because at Espanyol last season he weren't anywhere near as good as he is now.

Bashmachkin wrote:In my lifetime as a Newcastle supporter, that was the most shameful performance I've seen, from the worst manager and the worst group of players we have had. Mike Ashley shouldn't escape all blame: he's at the root of our problems, and responsible for hiring a manager struggling at the time in the third tier, who had long since proven himself incapable of managing at the top level. The palpable apathy amongst the supporters owes to the sense that no proper manager will be approached by or will consider joining us.

It's also not the case that the players have gradually lost faith in Pardew: for whatever reason, after last season's relative success, the majority of the first-team looked disinterested, despondent or agitated from the very start of this season last August. The recent home defeats have been the culmination of the collective failures of the manager, the coaching staff and the players through the entire course of the season.

Sharing the blame around isn't to suggest that Pardew is anything other than an abject c**t, so eager to foist himself whenever he thinks there's some credit to be had, but a nasty coward in his immoral tactics and in his response to any of the obvious and overwhelming negatives about him and the team. His goading of Di Canio last week was revolting, as was his racing down the tunnel at the end of today's match. Our utter lack of strategy and our disabling coaching methods suggest a mental deficiency.

The gutlessness of the French players in our squad in particular is blatant and disgusting. Cabaye and Debuchy are two vulgar street thugs absolutely intent on hiding whenever things aren't going their way; Cabaye is a sham captain; Debuchy, who we lusted after for so long, no better at right-back than Danny Simpson. Sissoko and Cisse are thick and they, along with Gutierrez and Perch, woefully lack technique. Haidara looks out of his depth, which is probably to be expected in these circumstances; Taylor and Yanga-Mbiwa are performing little better.

We deserve to go down - only QPR are as characterless as and more thoroughly mismanaged than we are. We have to hope Wigan fail to manage five points; and then it requires another radical overhaul.

I'm hesitant to judge our new players until they play under proper coaches, and I include Anita in that, our first team coaches consist of 'I'm Alan Pardew', John "angry little fella" Carver, and Steve "we kicked it longer" Stone, that has to be a culture shock for a young player that has spent most of his life at Ajax. Anita would thrive somewhere like Swansea, but here he may aswell be Jamie McClen for all the use he is.

And I agree Ashley and Llambias are ultimately to blame, Pardew was never qualified to take over a premier league club, I can only assume they don't understand the importance of coaching in football. Alan Carr's dad seems to have some influence, we can only hope he is telling them what's what.

The squad is gutless and characterless, but I think this stems from the manager, he is a defeatist and doesn't expect enough of them. Before games he talks down our chances, we play shit and scrape a draw and he talks about how it's a great performance. Also the fact the players like him to much tells me he is too busy keeping them onside to tell them home truths.

Big Willy wrote:So are people seriously telling me he has turned into a world beater in the space of a years time? Because at Espanyol last season he weren't anywhere near as good as he is now.

He isn't a world beater yet, all he is is a super talented kid who seems to be progressing well as he gets older. It seems a bit silly to be judging the consistency across leagues of an 18/19 year old kid easing his way into life in some pretty good first teams.

I don't think it's silly to compare a player from one season to the very next one. He didn't even play much at Inter the first half of this season so I doubt he has actually got much better, if any at all. He just looks better as he is playing in a largely inept league. Seems like the only explanation to me.

Really, so you never notice a sudden jump in quality for a player during their development years ?

Is this not a pretty good explanation as well.

You could have any number of explanations other than the one you are pointing to. It may well be right, but he has looked pretty special so it's hard to see how he wouldn't make an impact in another league. His technique and vision are his main plus points and these convert easily into any league in the world.

he scored 5 in 16 in La Liga.

EPL >>> La Liga.

Big Willy wrote:So are people seriously telling me he has turned into a world beater in the space of a years time? Because at Espanyol last season he weren't anywhere near as good as he is now.

He was actually outstanding for Espanyol last season but Espanyol in general aren't very good and so they don't get much attention. He was clearly the best of that bunch and was ready to make a step up.

It's just a dumb argument to point immediately to the Prem League's deficiencies as the reason for Coutinhos good start. kevin prince boateng couldn't get a kick in England, he became a regular and important player at Milan. Sahin couldn't settle in England but is now back at Dortmund and doing well by all accounts. It ain't black and white, so do us all a favour and stop trying to fit isolated examples into a pre determined hypothesis. Anyone would think you based this mode of reasoning off conspiracy theorist techniques. God forbid...

Big Willy wrote:I watched Coutinho in La Liga and Serie A and although it was obvious he has a lot of potential he was nowhere near as good as he has been in the Premier League. Further evidence that the Premier League is poor defensively and poor tactically too in terms of the space in midfield, poor pressing and counter pressing etc.

Newcastle have made him look like Maradona today, some of the shittest defending I have seen in a long time.

Willy, why does it have to be about a league being poor/weaker defensively? Clearly the leagues have different characteristics, and suit different players sometimes. Specially when we are talking about an unfinished, potential talent who is developing his game. Coutinho had some good games in La Liga, and showed some flashes of brilliance in Serie A. Absolutely no one had any doubt that he will have some good games at Liverpool, such is his talent. And if he continues to develop his end product, this kid could go to the top.

But until he starts producing game changing performances with some consistency, he hasn't stepped up from what he was at Inter. I think EPL suits him a bit more than Serie A as he is allowed more tactical freedom to find space and do his tricks, but that's about it. It doesn't mean that EPL is poorer defensively, IMO Serie A defenses are much worse than their English counterparts these days.

At the mo, Coutinho is not perceived as a big threat by the opposition. His real test will probably come next season when teams will plan for him, it will be really interesting to see if Cou can adapt to the physicality of EPL then...

Kimbo wrote:I'm hesitant to judge our new players until they play under proper coaches, and I include Anita in that, our first team coaches consist of 'I'm Alan Pardew', John "angry little fella" Carver, and Steve "we kicked it longer" Stone, that has to be a culture shock for a young player that has spent most of his life at Ajax. Anita would thrive somewhere like Swansea, but here he may aswell be Jamie McClen for all the use he is.

And I agree Ashley and Llambias are ultimately to blame, Pardew was never qualified to take over a premier league club, I can only assume they don't understand the importance of coaching in football. Alan Carr's dad seems to have some influence, we can only hope he is telling them what's what.

The squad is gutless and characterless, but I think this stems from the manager, he is a defeatist and doesn't expect enough of them. Before games he talks down our chances, we play shit and scrape a draw and he talks about how it's a great performance. Also the fact the players like him to much tells me he is too busy keeping them onside to tell them home truths.

I suppose I agree regarding Anita and the players we signed in January: it isn't easy to come in to a club where things are so dysfunctional, with the team toward the lower end of the league, players performing poorly and the manager wholly incompetent. It is obvious that the manager and his coaching staff aren't getting anything like the best from any of our players; there's a flagrant lack of direction on the pitch, whatever tactics we do utilise are counter-productive, we admit to focusing four of every five training days solely on the defence yet we have the worst defensive record in the league. I don't think we possess a group of world-beaters simply constrained by a poor manager, and I think the players deserve to be condemned for their rubbish all season long. Yet Coloccini provides a good example of a new signing who switched off and had a disastrous first season in testing circumstances, then stuck at it and improved and excelled for us.

I confess that, at this point, for their cowardly performances and their disgraceful petulance - and this whilst holding themselves as two of our best players - I can't stand watching Cabaye and Cisse. Debuchy's closeness to Cabaye makes me inclined to dislike him too; and I think he shows a similar petulance, whilst adding very little to our side since replacing Danny Simpson. I thought he tried to get sent off yesterday, and would even have taken a straight red card so as to get off the pitch. Sissoko has been so woeful, has appeared so painfully limited after his first few games. I'm more positive regarding Yanga-Mbiwa and Haidara. Generally its infuriating how little these players seem inclined to fight for the club.

I like Anita, and think he's looked decent whenever he's been allowed a run of games. Gouffran too seems like a tidy, patient player who isn't receiving the right opportunities.

I really find Pardew's relationship with the squad difficult to grasp. Ba was an exceptional case, and otherwise the only explicit unhappiness in the squad has been Coloccini's. Still, I maintain that the squad haven't played for Pardew all season through; looked disinterested right from the start in August; which is hard to comprehend given our league standing at the end of last season. Again, I think a number of our players severely lack character. Cabaye seems to maintain his position by sucking up to people off the pitch whilst hiding on it; seemed, for instance, to establish himself for France by figuratively licking towards the interior of the bottom of Laurent Blanc.

COTR wrote:Really, so you never notice a sudden jump in quality for a player during their development years ?

Is this not a pretty good explanation as well.

You could have any number of explanations other than the one you are pointing to. It may well be right, but he has looked pretty special so it's hard to see how he wouldn't make an impact in another league. His technique and vision are his main plus points and these convert easily into any league in the world.

You are right, when Coutinho is in form, he can do well in any league in the world. I think there are 2 key factors that are helping Cou's development at Liverpool, as compared to Inter:

1. Tactical freedom
2. Starting role

At Inter, he was an upcoming bench player, and mostly got minutes as a sub with a few rare starts. Also the tactical burden Italian coaches put on players usually become a big hurdle for the development of the creative young players. Also, as you mentioned, Cou is still developing his end product, he is not there yet by any evaluation. So we ended up with a few performances with touches of genius but no end product, which did not help him get enough playing minutes.

At Liverpool, he is relatively free to express his talent on the pitch, and is also getting regular starts (probably thanks to Borini and Sterling's injuries, and now Suarez's suspension). When he got that at Espanyol, from what I saw/heard, he did very well there too just like he is doing at Liverpool.

But he is still developing, and has a long way to go. You will have to live with the inconsistency that comes with a WIP talent, there will be games where he does next to nothing. It will also be interesting to see how he deals with the special attention of defenders in a Suarez-less forward line.

I hope he develops into a great player for you guys, but its way too early to say. From what I have seen so far at Liverpool, its pretty much on expected lines... I don't think he has taken that jump in quality yet.

I really hope this game ends 0-0 and both these horrible sides are down finally. What a load of garbage these teams have been, on par with Wolves last season.

I think Wigan and even Villa may have just a tiny bit more about them, certainly Wigan anyway.

Luis wrote:I think Wigan and even Villa may have just a tiny bit more about them, certainly Wigan anyway.

Great observation Luis.

Spurs should sign Hoilett

debaser wrote:

Luis wrote:I think Wigan and even Villa may have just a tiny bit more about them, certainly Wigan anyway.

Great observation Luis.

Lewis is on a charm offensive this weekend.

another daring escape from Houdini

Sky won't say shit about Redknapp and will still go on about him like he's the messiah when he gets his next job.

Coming up next, RVP returns to the Emirates.

FOX Soccer Channel humiliating Warren Barton after he went on a five minute tirade because Bosingwa left the pitch with a smile on his face while chatting with an opponent.

What did FSC do? they showed Harry Redknapp with a big ear-to-ear grin while shaking hands with Atkins and other Reading coaches after being relegated.

Of course Barton just sat there biting his tongue like a damn fool!

Such a racist, xenophobe, can't-trap-a-ball-for-shite! imbecile!

I woke up very happy today, mes amis!

Guard of humiliation.

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