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    Post by EMP Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:55 pm

    @ Messiah and Jaime:

    What has this nonsense about your defences got to do with Valencia's glorious win over the mighty Sevilla? Grr Grr Grr 

    Have to get it in now as who knows when the next point will come.
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    Post by messiah Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:58 pm

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    RONALDO cheers cheers cheers 
    Shots shots shots shots shots shots
    Shots shots shots shots shots
    Shots shots shots shots shots
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    Post by 110% Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:48 pm

    You do realise that messi has the second lowest conversion rate?
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    Post by messiah Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:21 pm

    you do realize that you talk too much
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    Post by Jaime Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:24 am

    110% wrote:You do realise that messi has the second lowest conversion rate?
    cheers
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    Post by Jaime Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:00 am

    Table after 5 rounds:

    1 Barcelona 15
    2 Atlético 15
    3 R. Madrid 13
    4 Villarreal 11

    5 Espanyol 11
    6 Athletic 9

    7 R. Sociedad 6
    8 Celta 6
    9 Valencia 6
    10 Levante 6
    11 Málaga 5
    12 Betis 5
    13 Granada 5
    14 Valladolid 4
    15 Getafe 4
    16 Almería 3
    17 Elche 3
    18 Osasuna 3
    19 Rayo 3
    20 Sevilla 2


    Surprisingly good start from Espanyol. I was not expecting a lot from them but there they are 5th in the table. Sevilla are f*cked.


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    Post by messiah Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:22 am

    Jaime <3s Iscö wrote:
    110% wrote:You do realise that messi has the second lowest conversion rate?
    cheers
    best two times better convertion rate than ronaldo, because he is twice the player, look at pedro 10 shots 5 goals
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    Post by EMP Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:46 am

    messiah wrote:
    Jaime <3s Iscö wrote:
    110% wrote:You do realise that messi has the second lowest conversion rate?
    cheers
    best two times better convertion rate than ronaldo, because he is twice the player, look at pedro 10 shots 5 goals
    You do realise that Pedro's conversion rate is twice that of Messi. Does that mean he is twice the player that Messi is?
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    Post by messiah Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:43 am

    EMP wrote:
    messiah wrote:
    Jaime <3s Iscö wrote:
    110% wrote:You do realise that messi has the second lowest conversion rate?
    cheers
    best two times better convertion rate than ronaldo, because he is twice the player, look at pedro 10 shots 5 goals
    You do realise that Pedro's conversion rate is twice that of Messi. Does that mean he is twice the player that Messi is?
    yes!!, DOH, but must importantly, he is 5 times the player ronaldo is
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    Post by messiah Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:23 pm

    lets compare his stats to someone more close to his abilities and not the great lio messi and pedro

    RVP 26 goals, 141 shots, last season in the prem
    ronaldo 34 goals, 235 shots, 94 more shots to score 8 more goals.

    top strikers are going to gave a conversion ratio of about 15-30%, its really the the only way to get 20+ goals in a season,

    RVP at about 18% good from a striker of his last, ronaldo at the bottom with around 15%.

    in case we think its just in la liga, 62 goals, 435 shots all comps, still 14% to be exact.

    pedro is so much better than him(no one tries to find pedro's conversion rate from last season or else)
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    Post by S4P Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:37 pm

    Here's an interesting stat for you: Messi - 29 shots against Chelsea, 0 goals Ale
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    Post by Cristiano Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:37 pm

    I don't understand the point here. If you've scored more goals that's all that matters to me, if conversation rates were at all important the players with the better conversation rate would simply need to shoot more often and would make Ronaldo and even Messi's goal records look silly.

    But nooooo they don't shoot that often  because it's not fashionable Laughing
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    Post by messiah Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:55 pm

    the point is over the history of football, their is been certain norms, like taking a 100+ shots to get 20+ goals, thats what damn near every top striker has ever done, some with better ratios some with worst, but no not ronaldo, he and his people who are quite smart really and noticed that if they doubled the number of shots taken given his limited but great talent, he would score more and every one would look at the goals scored and ignore the effort it takes him to score one goal, when compared to most other top strikers.

    but the bigger point is Pedro is better than ronaldo, which is what i was getting at with the stats, but mr gary just had to jump on messi, like i would ever compare messi to ronaldo.
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    Post by Super Progress Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:47 pm

    S4P wrote:Here's an interesting stat for you: Messi - 29 shots against Chelsea, 0 goals Ale
    Laugh 
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    Post by messiah Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:52 pm

    just to keep fucking around with, this is messi"s stats from last season.

    75 goals, 235 shots, 31% shot conversion, now to explain how awesome this is let me explain a bit.

    see what should have with normal men, but WC players, is that your goals should increase with the amount of shots you take, see ronaldo, but like ronaldo it should also result in a lower average conversion rate, the law of averages.

    but with messi, the damn kid, conversion rate doesn't go down, but stays the about the highest level possible for any striker.

    this is way, i dont compare ronaldo to messi.
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    Post by Jaime Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:57 pm

    But this doesn't even tell the whole story. Like how many of those shots were great saves by the goalkeeper. It doesn't show you that most of Messi's shots are tap ins!!!!!

    Just show me the PES stats and I will be happy. ok
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    Post by messiah Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:00 pm

    Jaime <3s Iscö wrote:But this doesn't even tell the whole story. Like how many of those shots were great saves by the goalkeeper. It doesn't show you that most of Messi's shots are tap ins!!!!!

    Just show me the PES stats and I will be happy. ok

    lol! lol! lol! lol!, like every single striker ever.

    dont see how great saves from the keeper matter, all that is saying is that but for the keeper, he are any other striker would have a better conversion rate.
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    Post by Jaime Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:12 pm

    Also, I would like to know the source for those statistics.

    Marca has Ronaldo scoring 4 goals from 36 shots.
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    Post by Jaime Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:15 pm

    Oh never mind, I think Marca hasn't updated the stats to include the weekend's matches. Embarassed

    STILL...

    Rayo had more possession than you f*ckers!!!! lol!lol!lol!lol!lol!
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    Post by EMP Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:17 pm

    messiah wrote:
    EMP wrote:
    messiah wrote:
    Jaime <3s Iscö wrote:
    110% wrote:You do realise that messi has the second lowest conversion rate?
    cheers
    best two times better convertion rate than ronaldo, because he is twice the player, look at pedro 10 shots 5 goals
    You do realise that Pedro's conversion rate is twice that of Messi. Does that mean he is twice the player that Messi is?
    yes!!, DOH, but must importantly, he is 5 times the player ronaldo is
    No he isn't. He is slightly more than 6.024 the player that Ronaldo is. Sheesh, get your maths right. Wink 
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    Post by messiah Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:34 pm

    Its soccernet, thats why tata will get the sack its unacceptable
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    Post by messiah Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:40 pm

    3-0 already I know what Madrid fans are tthink, omg two teams 1 costing less and the other a bit over, than what we paid for bale and ronaldo are going to finish above us.
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    Post by Jaime Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:46 pm

    messiah wrote:3-0 already I know what Madrid fans are tthink, omg two teams 1 costing less and the other a bit over, than what we paid for bale and ronaldo are going to finish above us.
    Nobody is thinking that. Sorry. Ale
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    Post by Super Progress Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:50 pm

    messiah wrote:3-0 already I know what Madrid fans are tthink, omg two teams 1 costing less and the other a bit over, than what we paid for bale and ronaldo are going to finish above us.
    I was thinking you should consider reading this:

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    Post by messiah Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:50 pm

    Costa is scoring for fun these days, didn't see that coming at all, how much did he cost Atletico again
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    Post by 110% Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:54 am

    messiah wrote:just to keep fucking around with, this is messi"s stats from last season.

    75 goals, 235 shots, 31% shot conversion, now to explain how awesome this is let me explain a bit.

    see what should have with normal men, but WC players, is that your goals should increase with the amount of shots you take, see ronaldo, but like ronaldo it should also result in a lower average conversion rate, the law of averages.

    but with messi, the damn kid, conversion rate doesn't go down, but stays the about the highest level possible for any striker.

    this is way, i dont compare ronaldo to messi.
    Did you just come up with a new and incorrect definition for "law of averages" and bold it?

    lol! 

    The "law of averages" is a wrong application of the law of large numbers, e.g. you have a 50% chance of getting tails if you toss a coin, so if you toss a coin 3 times and get heads each time people think, due to the completely wrong concept of "law of averages", that you are more likely to get tails on the 4th toss, but you have in fact the same 50% chance as each coin toss is independent of what has gone on before. It has nothing to do with what you're talking about, but in any case it is a completely wrong concept.

    After your syntax book, you should try a stats for dummies
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    Post by Super Progress Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:38 am

    Biggrin 
    I can't recall how many people I have seen who actually think that about the coin toss but it is many. I gues it is because of the hunch we have that "this can't continue forever" which we confuse with actual probability.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:55 am

    I really don't get what Messiah is saying - in football the general rule is accumulation by speculation.

    The best teams (no matter how PROGRESSIVE) will have the most shots and most possession.
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    Post by Jaime Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:50 pm

    messiah wrote:Costa is scoring for fun these days, didn't see that coming at all, how much did he cost Atletico again
    Costa! Ale

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    Post by 110% Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:45 pm

    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:I really don't get what Messiah is saying - in football the general rule is accumulation by speculation.

    The best teams (no matter how PROGRESSIVE) will have the most shots and most possession.
    You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket.

    Some teams like to have possession just to have possession, such as Barcelona without Messi, e.g. 65% possession and 1 shot on target in a game where they had to overturn a 3-0 deficit. Xavi controlled the tempo though, so that's all right.

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