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    Post by Isco Benny Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:25 pm

    Fey, you still don't get it do you. Transfer spending is just one half of the money equation. Arsenal were spending 1million A WEEK more on wages than Spurs last season. Man United have a player on 220k a week. Bar City and Chelsea, no one else in England can compete with those salaries. However that is just 3 clubs out of 20.

    Blut, the caveat here is I am not suggesting money doesn't play a factor, but it's not as black and white as that and I cannot sit in silence listening to this tired accusation regurgitated by wannabee hipsters feeding a lazy generalisation each time the EPL is mentioned.

    Choosing to talk about Spurs here because Super Mourinho made a comment about us which sort of acted as a catalyst to where we've got to now ( a comment swiftly batted down by ze cool alternatif Bundesliga boys obviously...Laughing).

    A briefest of history lessons for Herr Blut and any of you fuckos proliferating the notion that EPL clubs do not employ a long term vision or strategy: when Jol and Commoli were here circa 2005, the decision was made to stop buying overpriced over the hill journeymen (as was the case prior) and start to buy young - preferably British - players who could be nurtured and sold at a profit. Rather similar to Arsenal's model, except less Frenchies, more Rosbeefs. And shock horror, not only did the team also improve thanks to Jol's brilliance, finances did also as we started to have players people actually wanted to buy. Cue the genius of Levy, squeezing the last penny out of every sale (at times leaving us short in fairness), but meaning that in the last 5-7 years where we ve gone from a midtable side to one consistently fighting for top 4 and overall revenues have increased, our net transfer spend has been in minus figures. Sell Bale (and along with money recouped for Dempsey, Caulker, Huddlestone and Parker), spend will again be roughly even out with sales and and wages will also fall within same bracket.

    You talk about lack of youth player development in EPL, but our u21s won the premier league comfortably last season (before admittedly losing to Man United a weird and utterly pointless 1st/2nd playoff) and got to the semi finals of the Nextgen Euro competition. With Rose, Townsend, Walker, Naughton, Lennon representing players in the first team squad who've more or less come through the coached 17+ age group here (and that's not even mentioning Bale), it's hardly a terrible return in a league where most people assume nobody bothers with their academies.

    Final point - sure, we're not in the CL and it's a long way before Spurs become a World Class club in the way Bayern or Dortmund are, but a coherent vision aligned with a well handled business strategy has also led to a new training ground being built and new stadium in the works, so the future hardly looks bleak, even though we can't expect to directly compete with Chelsea/Man City/Man United in the transfer market.

    15 years ago this club was an complete and utter shambles. It's since gone on to become run very intelligently without an injection of petro dollars, just clever business acumen.

    Ultimately, you might cream yourself over the Bundesliga model (and it's a good one, specifically for it's synergy with the National Team), but it's not like clubs in England are sat around scratching their arses treading water and hoping money will solve all their problems. Spurs aren't the only ones. Swansea are a terrific example of an excellently run club with a coherent on and off field strategy. Same goes for Villa, Everton, Southampton, Norwich - all have clear identities and progressing in some form or another. Even Liverpool are starting to bear the fruits of applying a clear strategy to how they want to play football. None of these clubs are solely reliant on being cash rich.
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    Post by Kroos Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:51 pm

    Isco Benny wrote:
    Kroos wrote:
    Jaime wrote:
    Super Mourinho wrote:For me it is still England with the best league in terms of quality. Still the more interesting league although obviously there has been a decline but there is still a gap and since every other league except the German is in similar decline there isn't much of a difference overall. Germany will threaten in the future but regardless of the all German final this year their moment hasn't arrived yet imo. It might well in the future but at the moment England is still top dog. With Man City leading the pack and Chelsea getting Mourinho the English slump might well be over. I mean which league has a team like Tottenham that is outside the top 4 and has such a good XI. Arsenal would probably be up there if not for Wenger.
    Ale
    serious, tottenham wasn`t that good last year, no striker, scotty facking parker, lennon
    WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE PICKING ON LENNON ALL OF A SUDDEN Grr



    lol! 

    oh i found a nerve

    btw will lamela replace lennon or bale?

    normally lamela plays on the right
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    Post by Ä Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:52 am

    Boateng leaving AC Milan to join Schalke cheers

    saying

    "the best players should play in the best league"

    Laugh Ale

    could there be a better indication of how far the Bundesliga has come ?

    Pep preferring Bayern over Europe's money elite was already a good sign of a tectonic perception shift

    Ribery getting more votes than Messi or CRonaldo another

    and

    Klose

    saying that he would not mind a Bundesliga return either

    kinda puts the folly of "Holtby to Spurs" and "Schürrle to Chelsea" into perspective

    still even Kloppo does not seem to understand how big the Bundesliga already is

    http://www.spox.com/de/video/videoplayer.html?vID=2jhiv4eqgthk17tw4ct46fu74&chID=C72443A5D6796149E0440021281A8A86&pID=1rh6z94nk4vh41w3qaj4q8oei4&partnerID=13723&index=1

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    Post by bluenine Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:15 am

    Ä wrote:Boateng leaving AC Milan to join Schalke cheers

    saying

    "the best players should play in the best league"

    Laugh Ale

    could there be a better indication of how far the Bundesliga has come ?
    Nah. If you have been following Milan, you will find that they have been trying to get rid of Boateng and replace him with a proper AM. If anything, its an indication of how Bundesliga is still Serie A's dumping ground Razz
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    Post by Kroos Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:56 am

    bluenine wrote:
    Ä wrote:Boateng leaving AC Milan to join Schalke cheers

    saying

    "the best players should play in the best league"

    Laugh Ale

    could there be a better indication of how far the Bundesliga has come ?
    Nah. If you have been following Milan, you will find that they have been trying to get rid of Boateng and replace him with a proper AM. If anything, its an indication of how Bundesliga is still Serie A's dumping ground Razz
    yeah playing him on the right flank makes SENSE

    with draxler and farfan he has quality teammates, who are also creative, no dejong, muntaris
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    Post by Fey Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:45 pm

    The problem of the Bundesliga compared to the EPL..using just the brilliance of TELETEXT!
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    Post by debaser Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:52 pm

    can't believe you still have teletext. so quaint Laughing
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    Post by Fey Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:01 pm

    It's brilliant Deb! It gives you everything you want to know in one page and gives you the topscorer as well! Did you knew the most famous app in Holland is the teletext app? 818, 839, 840...that's all I need to know! It's a loss the BBC stopped with theirs!


    http://nos.nl/teletekst/#100_01

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    Post by Isco Benny Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:59 pm

    debaser wrote:can't believe you still have teletext. so quaint Laughing
    lol!
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:03 am

    The problem of Holland on just one page... TELETEXT! lol!
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:09 am

    bluenine wrote:
    Ä wrote:Boateng leaving AC Milan to join Schalke cheers

    saying

    "the best players should play in the best league"

    Laugh Ale

    could there be a better indication of how far the Bundesliga has come ?
    Nah. If you have been following Milan, you will find that they have been trying to get rid of Boateng and replace him with a proper AM. If anything, its an indication of how Bundesliga is still Serie A's dumping ground Razz
    You mean the guy who scored two goals in the CL qualification match for Milan which was of utmost importance for the club? Milan must be loaded with talent then.

    Good signing for Schalke, as I said yesterday. Already showed today vs. Leverkusen, a team unbeaten so far.
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    Post by La Liga Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:05 pm

    Top Scorers



    La Liga



    Diego Costa-Atletico-13

    Cristiano Ronaldo-Real-13

    Messi-Barca-8

    Griezmann-Sociedad-7

    Rakitic-Sevilla-7

    Sanchez-Barca-7




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    Mandzukic-Bayern-8

    Aubameyang-Dortmund-7

    Firmino-Hoffenheim-7

    Ibisevic-Stuttgart-7

    Kruse-Gladbach-7

    Sam-Leverkusen-7



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    Sturridge-Liverpool-8

    Ramsey-Arsenal-6

    Remy-Newcastle-6

    Suarez-Liverpool-6

    Van Persie-Man Utd-6




    Serie A


    Rossi-Fiorentina-9

    Cerci-Torino-8

    Palacio-Inter-7

    Callejon-Napoli-6

    Hamsik-Napoli-6

    Tevez-Juventus-6



    Ligue 1


    Cavani-PSG-9

    Falcao-Monaco-8

    Nelson Oliviera-Rennes-7

    Cvitanich-Nice-7

    Dordevic-Nantes-7





    UCL


    Cristiano Ronaldo-Real-7

    Ibrahimovic-PSG-6

    Messi-Barca-4
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    Post by Knoblauch Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:38 pm

    The way that uefa attributes points to the leagues for their clubs performances isn't a good guideline. Next year the Portuguese league will overtake France and Italy (probably), to be the fourth best. Which shows how crappy their system is.
    I think that it's individual games that are best, rather than a specific league. Nothing beats a derbygame, regardless of the league.
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    Post by bluenine Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:12 am

    blutgraetsche wrote:50% was right on the money, but Italy has actually fewer home grown players. Spain has over 60%, as does Holland. France has slightly more home grown players also

    http://www.ftbpro.com/posts/tim.hearn/161091/which-european-league-has-the-most-homegrown-players/spain-la-liga-62-4
    Actually, looking at that, the only reason why England looks behind the likes of Italy and Germany in terms of homegrown talent is because they don't count Welsh, Scottish and Irish as homegrown. It will be similar for Spain if they took out the Catalans, or for Italy if they took out the Sicilians and Sardinians, or for Germany if they took out the Polish and the Turkish Razz
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    Post by Xavier Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:34 am

    Yeah but they count all the Blacks, right... remove their count from the English quota and you'd have Steven Gerrard and Gary Cahill left.

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