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Who will win the World Cup?

Brazil: [ 2 ]; [14%]

Germany: [ 7 ]; [50%]

Argentina: [ 4 ]; [29%]

Holland: [ 1 ]; [7%]

Total Votes: 14

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:06 am

blutgraetsche wrote:True. Both Argentina and Holland can beat us. Nothing won yet.

We're waiting Dutchies.

Not Argentina. Defence is too crap and midfield is too open. Really, they are not much different to the side that Germany thrashed 4 years ago.

Holland might be able to because Van Gaal seems to be able to keep a tight backline, but the problem is they have a non goalscoring striker upfront.

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by Di Caniooooo! Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:07 am

Fey wrote:

DD wrote:Congrats Germans on reaching the final.

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Germany 8
Brazil 6
Italy 6
Argentina 4
Netherlands 3

Brazil has 7.

Lol

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by blutgraetsche Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:08 am

Holland have Robben who has been the tournaments best player and who knows our team inside out for obvious reasons. And they have Van Gaal, the same applies to him.

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by DD Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:08 am

Fey wrote:

DD wrote:Congrats Germans on reaching the final.

World Cup finals (most appearances 1930-2014)
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Brazil 6
Italy 6
Argentina 4
Netherlands 3

Brazil has 7. They lost two finals. And have 5 titles...

You're right.

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by Kimbo Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:10 am

Argentina are balls, if they make the final it will be another one-sided game.

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by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:11 am

Kimbo wrote:Argentina are balls, if they make the final it will be another one-sided game.

I agree. They simply havn't faced a top side yet. They are nothing on Bielsa's or Pekerman's Argentina.

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by Kimbo Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:12 am

Oooh, look what's on BBC2 at 12:20

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by debaser Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:22 am

Kimbo wrote:Oooh, look what's on BBC2 at 12:20

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by Formerly known as sheva7 Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:39 am

Fey, what happened today has nothing to do with mentality. Blame awful tactics and shit defending. Five goals in 17 minutes. Nightmare. This is the most humilliating score ever. The only good thing that happened today was Klose breaking fat Ronaldo record.

Congrats to the Germans. I really hope you win the final.

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by Kimbo Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:43 am

Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:Fey, what happened today has nothing to do with mentality. Blame awful tactics and shit defending. Five goals in 17 minutes. Nightmare. This is the most humilliating score ever. The only good thing that happened today was Klose breaking fat Ronaldo record.

Congrats to the Germans. I really hope you win the final.

Have Brazilians realised that Luiz is shit yet?

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by Formerly known as sheva7 Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:46 am

Kimbo wrote:

Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:Fey, what happened today has nothing to do with mentality. Blame awful tactics and shit defending. Five goals in 17 minutes. Nightmare. This is the most humilliating score ever. The only good thing that happened today was Klose breaking fat Ronaldo record.

Congrats to the Germans. I really hope you win the final.

Have Brazilians realised that Luiz is shit yet?

No. He is an idol. To be fair, he is shit, but he had a good WC until today.

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by blutgraetsche Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:54 am

Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:Fey, what happened today has nothing to do with mentality. Blame awful tactics and shit defending. Five goals in 17 minutes. Nightmare. This is the most humilliating score ever. The only good thing that happened today was Klose breaking fat Ronaldo record.

Congrats to the Germans. I really hope you win the final.

I hope Big Phil will get his fair share of the blame. Brazil have been a mess tactically throughout the tournament, as I said earlier. Germany exposed that brutally tonight, but it was just a matter of time. Brazil deserve better than an old dinosaur like that.

I hope this will become a turning point in Brazilian football and the focus will Return to skill and creativity instead of pure athleticism. That's what made Brazil great, and I know that you will be back again if you do. Brazil will always be Brazil, a true giant of international football.

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by Formerly known as sheva7 Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:16 am

Until a few weeks ago I didn't care too much about international football. Then I started to get involved with the World Cup...and today happened something like this. It would be normal to lose to Germany. But not this way...The so called country was utterly humilliated at home in front of my eyes and in front of billions of people. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 goals. This is ridiculous. The only thing that could be worse than that is Argentina winning the title. I will sell my ticket for the final if they beat Holland.

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by Isco Benny Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:56 am

Fucking Germany. Amazing Ale

Europe for the win.

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by Isco Benny Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:00 am

blutgraetsche wrote:Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Youre going to be unbearable arent you? Laughing

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by Jaime Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:21 am

What. The. F...............

I still don't have words and the match ended 4 hours ago.

Kroos. Blush

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by Fey Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:32 am

Jaime wrote:What. The. F...............

I still don't have words and the match ended 4 hours ago.

Kroos.

Agreed. This was the most embarrassing semi since I watched Brokeback Mountain with my father.

Also, it shows that stats dont always tell everything.

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The good thing is, at least the ghost from Rio or whatever its called, that is something nobody will ever care for again!

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by blutgraetsche Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:54 am

Isco Benny wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Youre going to be unbearable arent you?

Hah... Says the guy who supports the team that made a fucking DVD out of a qualification match. I wonder if any of you fuckers would have reacted in the way the German fans reacted on here.

No, I don't.

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by Fey Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:00 am

TBH everyone has their fair share of gloryhunters...Germans..Dutch..England(we can't tell) etc.

Im always fair and balanced though

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by Kroos Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:00 am

WORLD HUMILIATION

can`t believe it, this was more like a training session between the first 5 goals

i wan`t the argies in the final, they are tactically almost as bad

robben is on a mission, and he and van gaal have to be stopped

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by Roger Hunt Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:39 am

What do the Germans have against Portugese speaking teams? 2 thrashings in one World Cup.

Still, kudos to you Germans for not losing focus and letting up at 5-0, those extra couple of goals have broken the hearts of another million Brazilian kids Ale

This is rapidly turning into the worst World Cup EVER.

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by blutgraetsche Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:47 am

How is this the worst WC ever? Let me guess, because the Germans are winning? Will it be the best World Cup again if they lose the final?

Germany clearly took the foot off the gas in the second half, hell, they invited Brazil to score a consolation goal even. That they still scored a few goals - well, it just happened.

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by blutgraetsche Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:51 am

Kroos wrote:WORLD HUMILIATION

can`t believe it, this was more like a training session between the first 5 goals

i wan`t the argies in the final, they are tactically almost as bad

robben is on a mission, and he and van gaal have to be stopped

Agree that Holland would be a tougher opponent. Built for the counter, know our team inside out, Van Gaal's and Robben's genius etc. etc.

But don't underestimate Argentina. Against Belgium, they looked like a proper team for the first time in the tournament. It looks like they can raise their game to the occassion, and that's a good sign. Plus, Messi is on a mission, too.

Either way, it's going to be a tough match, a much different match.

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

by Roger Hunt Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:24 am

blutgraetsche wrote:How is this the worst WC ever? Let me guess, because the Germans are winning?

Yes.

blutgraetsche wrote:Will it be the best World Cup again if they lose the final?

No. England out in the group stages, Brazil crap, loads of goals in the group stage has now (except for Germany) turned into cagey games in extra time or decided on a single goal, host nation rioting over the costs of putting the contest on, no underdogs in the quarter-finals, etc etc.

Messi diving for a winning penalty in the final would be a consolation Wink

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by blutgraetsche Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:30 am

There have been a lot of upsets in this WC actually. The demolition of Spain by Holland and Chile in the group stages, Costa Rica winning the group and making it to the 1/4 finals, Colombia, France, Mexico etc. playing some great football, Algeria forcing Germany to go extra time with a very good team effort etc. etc. There have been magnificent goals, great matches and tactical innovations. What else could you ask for?

England were just not good enough and went home. Tough luck, next time. And next time after that. And next time after next. Still doesn't take anything away from this WC, no matter who wins it on Sunday.

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by Roger Hunt Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:41 am

England being crap doesn't ruin a WC, but Brazil are my second team when we inevitably get knocked out. Holland are playing efficient counterattacking football, Argentina haven't gelled, and Germany got a lucky break (pun intended) with Neymar being injured (would have changed the scoreline if not the result).

Costa Rica and Colombia Ale

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by blutgraetsche Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:49 am

Oh Roger, bitterness will only make you look like Steven Gerrard in the long run. Not the hairline that is, but that weird expression on his face. Even when he smiles he looks sad.

If this Brazil are your "second team" while you criticise Holland for playing "efficient counterattacking football", there really must be something wrong with you though. Brazil have sold their soul and paid the price. Their current team is a caricature of "joga bonito", it's full of (more or less) talentless cloggers who prefer to kick opponents instead of the ball. Scolari is the Brazilian equivalent to Toni Pulis, so supporting this Brazil is like supporting Stoke.

Brazil have to go back to their roots and put emphasis on skills, technique, flair, imagination, all the things that made Brazlilian football great. Nike milked the "joga bonito" crap like there is no tomorrow, a sad joke considering the reality for years, no, decades.

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by bluenine Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:35 am

blutgraetsche wrote: Scolari is the Brazilian equivalent to Toni Pulis, so supporting this Brazil is like supporting Stoke.

I agree with most of what you have written above, except for this bit. Scolari is nothing like Pulis in this respect. For one, Pulis knows how to organise a defense, Scolari has no clue. Scolari's idea of defending is to put in 5-6 of your best defensive players into the starting XI, and hope they "work it out". It was very evident yesterday that Brasil had no defensive discipline at all. Even their previous games, Thiago has been criticised a lot this world cup for a few errors, but people forget the role he plays in marshaling that defense and covering up the gaps.

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by blutgraetsche Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:18 pm

I can agree with that, they really were a tactical mess, not just yesterday btw., as said earlier. My point was his Brazil being anything but vintage Brazil, but a very physical, aggressive team with almost no flair and imagination, similar to Stoke who may have been better organised, but still relied on physicality and route one football to grind out results.

"Jogo Bonito" is a Nike invention and a myth, yes, but Brazil do have a history of genuine skill, flair and creative football. It has been lost and has to be resurrected for the sake of their football, otherwise they're in for a very tough time. Plus, tactical lessons have to be learned. From all the South American sides in this year's tournament, Brazil and yes, Argentina, were the least convincing tactically. Other South American sides like Chile or Colombia are far more refined tactically, for example.

This wasn't just Scolari, this was him and Parreira, two former World Cup winning managers! But that's exactly the point, "former". They are far behind the times and dinosaurs of the game.

This should be the turning point for Brazilian football, just like 1982 was, but in the other direction. For their sake, I hope they draw the right conclusions.

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