Liverpool FC 2015/2016

GR wrote:Sacking Rodgers won't solve all of our problems.  

We have an even bigger problem.  i.e. Owners & management who have no understanding of our game.

For all the things they're doing right (i.e. stadium, willingness to spend money)  are being cancelled out by horror show that is the transfer committee, and all the money wasted on mediocre and potential talent.

I've said it before and i was mocked for it but the whole setup stinks of trial and error, including the hiring of Brendan Rodgers.  

Do they really expect us to win the league and compete with the likes of City and Chelsea by hiring an apprentice who has no experience at this level and experimenting with youngsters?

Either they are incredibly naive or this is really a very long term project which will take at least 10 years and we won't start to see the benefits until the end of the stadium expansion etc, in which case we should just blindly support the manager and Rodgers and forget about being competitive until such time.  i.e.  like wenger and arsenal

worms; wrote:
You are acting like we are getting a brand new stadium. How many extra seats will Anfield have after the expansion? About 8 thousand?  

worms; wrote:
This season I expect us to do well in Europe, Rodgers has totally failed in that regard so far, if we don't at least make it to the QF of the Europa League after all the money we have spent then I want him sacked. f**k the league, we are guaranteed to finish either 5th or 6th. I would rather have European glory in the EL than finish 4th and then get knocked out in next season's CL Group Stage.

Luis wrote:The approach seems to be trial and error and most of it has been errors.

You can sign a lot of young players and reap the rewards in about 5 years time but you have to buy quality, experienced players as well to help them along.

United bought a lot of young, unproven players in the last 5 years of Ferguson's reign; Nani, Anderson, Bebe, Smalling, Januzaj, Kleberson but they were able to do that because they always had a Tevez, Berbatov or Larsson as well.

Every so often one of those young gambles turns into a star like Ronaldo or Suarez but when you haven't got the quality in the team already you can't be buying Markovic, Origi, Illori, Moreno for big money and hoping it all just comes off.

We have absolutely no idea what we're doing at the minute. We have no one to build a team around. Milner seems to be Rodgers' idea of replacing Gerrard for the short term despite him having no way near the same attacking quality and I'm doubtful of his leadership skills. Can and Henderson have a long way to go still so you need someone with class and experience to sit in that midfield and dictate play. Lucas looks a mess and it's no surprise when Rodgers clearly wanted rid of him a few weeks ago.

We planned for Sturridge being injured by bringing in Benteke who I think will be a very good signing. But where was the planning for Sterling leaving? Our wide options aren't good enough. Ibe should have been sent on loan to a premier league club, Markovic should have been given another chance and we should also have brought in another good quality wide player to give us some threat and pace.

Without Coutinho in the side we have absolutely nothing going forward from deep. Firmino is struggling.

COTR wrote:Will Rodgers even make it to Christmas ?

Nothing that is happening is a surprise. i feel a bit sorry for the owners as they placed their trust in the wrong man and it has cost them a fortune. Rodgers' use of this money has been staggeringly incompetent, he doesn't ever deserve another top job.

GR wrote:

COTR wrote:Will Rodgers even make it to Christmas ?

Nothing that is happening is a surprise. i feel a bit sorry for the owners as they placed their trust in the wrong man and it has cost them a fortune. Rodgers' use of this money has been staggeringly incompetent, he doesn't ever deserve another top job.

I agree with you except for the bit about feeling sorry for the owners.

They are fully culpable for appointing someone with zero experience at managing a big club.  Hell, their other candidate for the job was Roberto Martinez FFS - a guy who got Wigan relegated that year & i said it at the time. If I was a shareholder I would have sued them for serious professional incompetence.

I cannot for the life of me understand their choice of candidates at the time and still don't.  It was glaringly obvious who the right man was for the job at the time. Ironically he is now managing one of the biggest clubs in the world. He was available and was the less risky option to take and guaranteed to bring success with the right backing. They didn't even think he was worth an interview.

So no, if anything I feel sorry for Rodgers. He has tried his best under the circumstances but the job is just too big for him and I didn't expect anything different to be honest.

I expect him to last until at least Christmas but wouldnt surprise me if he lasts the season. All depends how far we are from 4th/5th come Xmas.

Luis wrote:Didn't Dortmund go to shit under Klopp though for a bit? I don't really follow other leagues any more.

Deluded F*ck™ wrote:You forget that Klopp also had an amazing group of young players come through together, plus Weidenfeller.

Luis wrote:Some fairly reputable sources claiming Rodgers will be sacked next week regardless of our result this weekend in the Derby.

Klopp being touted as the front runner with de Boer also named.

Not sure how true any of this is but if we do get rid of Rodgers then we have to bring in Ancelotti. Proven winner.

Luis wrote:Not proven enough and had a shocker in his last season at Dortmund.

We need an Ancelotti or Benitez - someone who has won trophies over a sustained period of time.

I don't want another 5 years of 'rebuilding'.

Luis wrote:Not proven enough and had a shocker in his last season at Dortmund.

We need an Ancelotti or Benitez - someone who has won trophies over a sustained period of time.

I don't want another 5 years of 'rebuilding'.

Luis wrote:Not proven enough and had a shocker in his last season at Dortmund.

We need an Ancelotti or Benitez - someone who has won trophies over a sustained period of time.

I don't want another 5 years of 'rebuilding'.

Luis wrote:Not proven enough and had a shocker in his last season at Dortmund.

We need an Ancelotti or Benitez - someone who has won trophies over a sustained period of time.

I don't want another 5 years of 'rebuilding'.

Corrupt real mierda wrote:

Luis wrote:Not proven enough and had a shocker in his last season at Dortmund.

We need an Ancelotti or Benitez - someone who has won trophies over a sustained period of time.

I don't want another 5 years of 'rebuilding'.

How isn't he proven enough? Won 2 league titles against Bayern and reached a CL final with a negative net spend.

Ancelotti has never managed a team that didn't have ALOT of money.

Also, I have already explained why he had a bad season last year, because he had 5 or 6 key players injured for long parts of the season. They also lost Gotze and Lewandowski. Dortmund didn't have a deep squad because they didn't have a lot of money, so they suffered.

Luis wrote:

Corrupt real mierda wrote:

Luis wrote:Not proven enough and had a shocker in his last season at Dortmund.

We need an Ancelotti or Benitez - someone who has won trophies over a sustained period of time.

I don't want another 5 years of 'rebuilding'.

How isn't he proven enough? Won 2 league titles against Bayern and reached a CL final with a negative net spend.

Ancelotti has never managed a team that didn't have ALOT of money.

Also, I have already explained why he had a bad season last year, because he had 5 or 6 key players injured for long parts of the season. They also lost Gotze and Lewandowski. Dortmund didn't have a deep squad because they didn't have a lot of money, so they suffered.

He won 2 titles in an average to good league which is a great achievement but it's too early to say if he could do this consistently IMO.

He's going to have to contend with injuries at Liverpool. Rodgers nearly won the league with Sturridge and Henderson fit  for nearly all of that season. Both suffer injuries and it goes to shit. You can't have that as an excuse for one manager but not another.

Rodgers lost Suarez and Sterling.

I don't buy all this Anceotti and Mourinho only win because of money crap either. It's a stupid argument. Madrid and Barca win everything because of money, does that mean their managers aren't good? Mourinho won the CL with Porto and got Inter to win the treble - now look at them ffs.

Ancelotti has proven over 3 top leagues that he can organise a team and instil a winning mentality.

I'm not saying Klopp isn't a good manager but I think he's more of a risk than Ancelotti is. People are expecting Klopp to do what he did at Dortmund but it's a completely different context. Ancelotti can come in, sort the defence out and get the best out of the attacking talent we have. He's experienced and respected in this league already.