Premierships greatest foreign players...

Bollocks list, everyone agreed?

Good.

theflyingfrenchman wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:I am a little surprised that Keane wasn't top three. If you count dem Irish as foreign then he's easily contributed as much to Man U as Henry has to Arsenal, who is presumably going to win the thing...

Ofcourse, it's a different country innit.

It is?


I really should update my globe. It still has 'Prussia' and 'Asia Minor' written on it, and Britain is approximately the same size as China...


No surprises about Henry - most of the voters will have been kids who don't even remember 1992. Just like Robbie Williams won 'song of the millenium' and Little Britain won 'best comedy catchphrase'.

What exactly is everyone's problem with Henry? Best striker in the prem for the past eight? seasons now, and still you people are whining on "wah wah he's crap in Europe"(despite being the fourth all time top scorer in the CL), "wah wah he's crap for France" (second top scorer ever).

Maybe you should stop whining and accept that he's a fucking damn good player?

Eight seasons????

Are you fucking mental?

Ole had it right, best player outside of United.

Henry 1st, well I never would have guessed

theflyingfrenchman wrote:

What exactly is everyone's problem with Henry?

Usually it's a combination of disgust at the hype, his ability to get away with cheating because of his reputation, and his obvious arrogance. And perhaps a bit of jealousy.

Best striker in the prem for the past eight? seasons now,

Are you seriously claiming that in 1999 Henry was the best striker in the league?

and still you people are whining on "wah wah he's crap in Europe"(despite being the fourth all time top scorer in the CL),

Primarily in group stages against weak opposition. Until last season, Henry very much blew hot and cold in Europe. And even last season he was woeful in the final, albeit great before then.

"wah wah he's crap for France" (second top scorer ever).

He's been to three World Cups and starred in none. He got sent off in one and directly contributed to his team's failure to progress. He was good in Euro 2000 but poor in 2004, and at the last World Cup he had another inconsistent tournament, despite having a peak season for Arsenal.

Maybe you should stop whining and accept that he's a fucking damn good player?

He is. But he's not the best from another country ever to play in the Premiership. That would be Claus Lundekvam (forgotten due to being in a Championship team and therefore unfairly excluded from the voting).

Henry joined in 1999.

1. 1999/2000
2. 2000/2001
3. 2001/2002
4. 2002/2003
5. 2003/2004
6. 2004/2005
7. 2005/2006
8. 2006 - Present.

Played in seven and currently in his eighth.

Cesc-Fab wrote:Henry joined in 1999.

1. 1999/2000
2. 2000/2001
3. 2001/2002
4. 2002/2003
5. 2003/2004
6. 2004/2005
7. 2005/2006
8. 2006 - Present.

Played in seven and currently in his eighth.

I'd say he only really became undisputed no.1 in 2003.

Before that there was RVN, Shearer, ndy Cole, Dwight Yorke & So forth.

Parky - Where the hell was Dwight Yorke?

@TS

Good point, I think 2003 was the year where people started to consider him to be the best in the League and a World Class player.

2001-2002 was the season where he started to really show his striking prowess, he scored 24 in the League that season.

TeamSpirit wrote:

Cesc-Fab wrote:Henry joined in 1999.

1. 1999/2000
2. 2000/2001
3. 2001/2002
4. 2002/2003
5. 2003/2004
6. 2004/2005
7. 2005/2006
8. 2006 - Present.

Played in seven and currently in his eighth.

I'd say he only really became undisputed no.1 in 2003.

Before that there was RVN, Shearer, ndy Cole, Dwight Yorke & So forth.

Parky - Where the hell was Dwight Yorke?

37th.

29 goals and 23 assists in a treble season.

TeamSpirit™ wrote:

Cesc-Fab wrote:Henry joined in 1999.

1. 1999/2000
2. 2000/2001
3. 2001/2002
4. 2002/2003
5. 2003/2004
6. 2004/2005
7. 2005/2006
8. 2006 - Present.

Played in seven and currently in his eighth.

I'd say he only really became undisputed no.1 in 2003.

Before that there was RVN, Shearer, ndy Cole, Dwight Yorke & So forth.

Parky - Where the hell was Dwight Yorke?

Hasselbaink as well. Just checked the top premiership records. JFH's record is just awesome.

Anyway, people say Henry never cut it for France. He is a hell of a lot better than Cantona or Ginola were.

Henry number one

Agooner wrote:Henry number one

Oh here he comes.

All we need now is 110%.

Agooner wrote:Henry number one

theflyingfrenchman wrote:

Anyway, people say Henry never cut it for France. He is a hell of a lot better than Cantona or Ginola were.

Houllier is possibly the only top-level coach (apart from Glenn Roeder) that would've failed to get a side containing Blanc, Desailly, Deschamps, Cantona, Ginola & Papin into the World Cup.

I swear Cantona goal ratio for France is better than Henry's?

22 from 41 or something like that.

Yup, 20 in 45.

However, Cantona played three games in Euro 1992. Was a great help in getting past the qualifiers. Not.

TeamSpirit™ wrote:

theflyingfrenchman wrote:

Anyway, people say Henry never cut it for France. He is a hell of a lot better than Cantona or Ginola were.

Houllier is possibly the only top-level coach (apart from Glenn Roeder) that would've failed to get a side containing Blanc, Desailly, Deschamps, Cantona, Ginola & Papin into the World Cup.

I swear Cantona goal ratio for France is better than Henry's?

22 from 41 or something like that.

43 games and 19 goals - Still a very good return. It is a shame if anythink that he should have had a better career Internationally.

theflyingfrenchman wrote:Yup, 20 in 45.

However, Cantona played three games in Euro 1992. Was a great help in getting past the qualifiers. Not.

you will blame deailly deschamps for these things

saintgoingmarching wrote:

theflyingfrenchman wrote:

What exactly is everyone's problem with Henry?

Usually it's a combination of disgust at the hype, his ability to get away with cheating because of his reputation, and his obvious arrogance.
And perhaps a bit of jealousy.

Best striker in the prem for the past eight? seasons now,

Are you seriously claiming that in 1999 Henry was the best striker in the league?

and still you people are whining on "wah wah he's crap in Europe"(despite being the fourth all time top scorer in the CL),

Primarily in group stages against weak opposition. Until last season, Henry very much blew hot and cold in Europe. And even last season he was woeful in the final, albeit great before then.

"wah wah he's crap for France" (second top scorer ever).

He's been to three World Cups and starred in none. He got sent off in one and directly contributed to his team's failure to progress. He was good in Euro 2000 but poor in 2004, and at the last World Cup he had another inconsistent tournament, despite having a peak season for Arsenal.

Maybe you should stop whining and accept that he's a fucking damn good player?

He is. But he's not the best from another country ever to play in the Premiership. That would be Claus Lundekvam (forgotten due to being in a Championship team and therefore unfairly excluded from the voting).

about the jealousy part!

Influential in taking monaco to the semi's of the CL scoring 7 in 9 games including 1 against juve in the semi's, ask united fans about his performance that season against them.

influential in taking us to the finals of the CL and Uefa cup. scored 50 european goals , none of them in the qualifiers. Yes that's what we call blows hot and cold

TeamSpirit™ wrote:

theflyingfrenchman wrote:

Anyway, people say Henry never cut it for France. He is a hell of a lot better than Cantona or Ginola were.

Houllier is possibly the only top-level coach (apart from Glenn Roeder) that would've failed to get a side containing Blanc, Desailly, Deschamps, Cantona, Ginola & Papin into the World Cup.
I swear Cantona goal ratio for France is better than Henry's?

22 from 41 or something like that.

I guess houllier was also responsible for their dismal euro performances, right?

l r d wrote:

theflyingfrenchman wrote:Yup, 20 in 45.

However, Cantona played three games in Euro 1992. Was a great help in getting past the qualifiers. Not.

you will blame deailly deschamps for these things

Yes, I'll blame Deschamps, possibly one of our two best players during 1998 and 2000.

I'll just blame Ginola the poncy git.

Agooner wrote:

about the jealousy part!

Bear in mind the same is true of Arsenal/Chelsea/Liverpool fans where Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo (future best foreigner in the Premiership methinks) are concerned.

Influential in taking monaco to the semi's of the CL scoring 7 in 9 games including 1 against juve in the semi's, ask united fans about his performance that season against them.

I know all about it, as I saw the tie. Are you sure he got 7 in 9 that season?

influential in taking us to the finals of the CL and Uefa cup. scored 50 european goals , none of them in the qualifiers. Yes that's what we call blows hot and cold

Check how many games it took him to get those goals and you'll probably see what I mean.

TeamSpirit™ wrote:

theflyingfrenchman wrote:

Anyway, people say Henry never cut it for France. He is a hell of a lot better than Cantona or Ginola were.

Houllier is possibly the only top-level coach (apart from Glenn Roeder) that would've failed to get a side containing Blanc, Desailly, Deschamps, Cantona, Ginola & Papin into the World Cup.

I swear Cantona goal ratio for France is better than Henry's?

22 from 41 or something like that.

Yes his stats are better but that's not surprising because:

1) cantona was the main penalty taker for france, have u ever seen henry score a penalty for them? i've seen it once, against italy in the quater finals of the world cup but that's not even counted as part of one's international goals.

2) Henry played about 30 odd games as a winger and has mostly played for them as a second striker

Do you know he took penalties and how many or is this one of your assumptions again like earlier today.

agooner you seem to take wild guesses at things

btw cant use penalties for henry. other strikers maybe not henry, he gets so many extra goals through free kicks and pens. etoo for example....
would henry have won golden boot nope. so you know

@ Saints

Looking at the first point of your last post mate. True, I'd love Ronaldo in our team and would gladly take him, but I'm not sure at this moment in time (and bear in mind I'm talking about the present here, not the future) Rooney would get in ahead of Drogba and possibly wouldn't get in ahead of Sheva (especially if Sheva starts to score some goals soon)

Influential in taking monaco to the semi's of the CL scoring 7 in 9 games including 1 against juve in the semi's, ask united fans about his performance that season against them.

I know all about it, as I saw the tie. Are you sure he got 7 in 9 that season?

yes 7 in 9 and something like 7 goals in 8 games for our run to the uefa cu final

influential in taking us to the finals of the CL and Uefa cup. scored 50 european goals , none of them in the qualifiers. Yes that's what we call blows hot and cold

Check how many games it took him to get those goals and you'll probably see what I mean.

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the bbc website is saying 91 games, and mind u he also played about 24 of those games as a winger

l r d wrote:btw cant use penalties for henry. other strikers maybe not henry, he gets so many extra goals through free kicks and pens. etoo for example....
would henry have won golden boot nope. so you know

i remember eto'o scoring more than 3 penalties for barca in his first season. He even missed one against villareal

No way would rooney get ahead of sheva. I expect him to hit form soon.

Agooner wrote:

Influential in taking monaco to the semi's of the CL scoring 7 in 9 games including 1 against juve in the semi's, ask united fans about his performance that season against them.

I know all about it, as I saw the tie. Are you sure he got 7 in 9 that season?

yes 7 in 9 and something like 7 goals in 8 games for our run to the uefa cup final

Fair enough. In that case he's had three great seasons in Europe in maybe 10 years. I maintain that he blows hot and cold, but so does Raul (similarly highly ranked scorer).

influential in taking us to the finals of the CL and Uefa cup. scored 50 european goals , none of them in the qualifiers. Yes that's what we call blows hot and cold

Check how many games it took him to get those goals and you'll probably see what I mean.

the bbc website is saying 91 games, and mind u he also played about 24 of those games as a winger

Calling his position a winger is a bit like calling Cristiano Ronaldo's present position a winger i.e. neither are touchline jockeys. He has always been a goalscorer...

S4P wrote:@ Saints

Looking at the first point of your last post mate. True, I'd love Ronaldo in our team and would gladly take him, but I'm not sure at this moment in time (and bear in mind I'm talking about the present here, not the future) Rooney would get in ahead of Drogba and possibly wouldn't get in ahead of Sheva (especially if Sheva starts to score some goals soon)

Rooney wouldn't on present form, certainly. Besides, he wouldn't be in the team instead of Sheva or Drogba, he'd be in the team instead of Cole or Robben, as a supporting forward.

I'd be amazed if any Premiership fan wouldn't take Ronaldo at the moment. Best player in the league on recent form, I reckon.