Premierships greatest foreign players...

Football Genius wrote:If 'very well' at winning Mickey mouse competitions is the measure of a greatest foreign import, then the PL must really be struggling.

You can say he was not on the pitch to score goals Hardrada but then Cantona and Bergkamp played similar positions yet they managed to chip in with more ? for his talent he did not achieve with a club what he could of done, and did not produce enough consistantly on a personal level.

borocooper wrote:but all this stuff about cups is bollocks....

Had Cantona played for Boro, he'd still have been a great player but he wouldnt have won the cups. Would that make him less of a player? no. It just means he hasnt got any cups.

saintgoingmarching wrote:

luisgarciahedrinkssangria wrote:Mauricio Pellegrino has got to get it

Ah, Liverpool's Laurent Blanc...


How about Desailly? He wasn't half bad. Vieira too - I'm surprised there aren't floods of Arsenal fans shouting his name. I suppose they're all whacking off over their Thierry 'statistically the best' Henry posters...

TeamSpirit wrote:To me, there will always be 7 foreigners (from outside of the British Isles) who helped bring English top-flight football out of the Dark ages.

Cantona
Schmeichel
Bergkamp
Ginola
Zola
Klinsmann.
Juninho Paulista.

The impact these palyers had on our league in the early/mid '90s can't be underestimated.

Special mentions to Phiollipe Albert, Ruud Gullit & Marcel Dessaily.

These are the players who IMO, shifted the goalposts for English football, making it possible for the likes of Henry etc. to be a major success here.

Agooner wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote:To me, there will always be 7 foreigners (from outside of the British Isles) who helped bring English top-flight football out of the Dark ages.

Cantona
Schmeichel
Bergkamp
Ginola
Zola
Klinsmann.
Juninho Paulista.

The impact these palyers had on our league in the early/mid '90s can't be underestimated.

Special mentions to Phiollipe Albert, Ruud Gullit & Marcel Dessaily.

These are the players who IMO, shifted the goalposts for English football, making it possible for the likes of Henry etc. to be a major success here.

no bias there

TeamSpirit wrote:

Agooner wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote:To me, there will always be 7 foreigners (from outside of the British Isles) who helped bring English top-flight football out of the Dark ages.

Cantona
Schmeichel
Bergkamp
Ginola
Zola
Klinsmann.
Juninho Paulista.

The impact these palyers had on our league in the early/mid '90s can't be underestimated.

Special mentions to Phiollipe Albert, Ruud Gullit & Marcel Dessaily.

These are the players who IMO, shifted the goalposts for English football, making it possible for the likes of Henry etc. to be a major success here.

no bias there

Are you seriously questioning the inclusion of those two

Daveeed Ginola - was an integral part of the Exciting Newcastle United side that just missed out on the title in 1996. Footballer of the year in 1999 for Spurs in a side that finished 14th!

Klinsmann - Averaged a goal/game in his 1st spell for us (29 Goals) - despite being injured for 10 weeks. In his 2nd tenure, he saved our ar$e from a relegation fight (1997-98 ).

TeamSpirit™ wrote:Obviously on overall impact, Vieira will be remembered more - but he wasn't one of the 1st to do it - all the players I mentioned were EPL stars before 1997.

Klinsi & co. blazed a trail that the likes of Henry/Vieira could follow - they were the 1st to take the risk of coming here in that era... that's my point. Before it was mostly Scandanavians who were the foreigners playing in this country...

Agooner wrote:

TeamSpirit™ wrote:Obviously on overall impact, Vieira will be remembered more - but he wasn't one of the 1st to do it - all the players I mentioned were EPL stars before 1997.

Klinsi & co. blazed a trail that the likes of Henry/Vieira could follow - they were the 1st to take the risk of coming here in that era... that's my point. Before it was mostly Scandanavians who were the foreigners playing in this country...

Vieira too- signed for arsenal september 96

Obispo wrote:

Agooner wrote:

TeamSpirit™ wrote:Obviously on overall impact, Vieira will be remembered more - but he wasn't one of the 1st to do it - all the players I mentioned were EPL stars before 1997.

Klinsi & co. blazed a trail that the likes of Henry/Vieira could follow - they were the 1st to take the risk of coming here in that era... that's my point. Before it was mostly Scandanavians who were the foreigners playing in this country...

Vieira too- signed for arsenal september 96

Vieira was a Milan reserve though. It wasn't exactly a risk.

Klinsman was an established star.

TeamSpirit wrote:Cech > Schmeichel > Lehmann. True Story.

otto the humble German wrote:obviously it should be

Lehmann

the GIANT

of all the others mentioned , none of them was ever the best in his position in the world: Henry, Bergkamp, Cantona...

PAH

otherwise, it should go to Bernd Trautmann

he won his club the FA Cup with a BROKEN NECK

Henry: merely a brilliant small pitch player

Cantona: did not even make his national team

Bergkamp: style over substance

Klinsmann: did not stay long enough

in other words

the GIANT hands down

S4P wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote: Erik Thorsveldt > Cech > Schmeichel > Lehmann. True Story.

TeamSpirit wrote:

S4P wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote: Erik Thorsveldt > Cech > Schmeichel > Lehmann. True Story.

Okay... now I'm pushing it - but he is an F.A Cup Winner, Cech isn't

Agooner wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:

luisgarciahedrinkssangria wrote:Mauricio Pellegrino has got to get it

Ah, Liverpool's Laurent Blanc...


How about Desailly? He wasn't half bad. Vieira too - I'm surprised there aren't floods of Arsenal fans shouting his name. I suppose they're all whacking off over their Thierry 'statistically the best' Henry posters...

saints, always trying to have a go at us arsenal fans he....

We didn't come here shouting vieira's name because we are not what u perceive us to be.

Though we all know he will go down as one of the best DM to ever play in the EPL, we recognise the fact that there are some attacking players who deserve it more unlike some manu fans who come here touting Roy "the thug" keane's name.

And we don't need stats to prove henry is one of the best to have ever played in the EPL- he is the only player that has been voted player of the year thrice.

That's not about stats but a true reflection of what his performances have been.

saintgoingmarching wrote:

And we don't need stats to prove henry is one of the best to have ever played in the EPL- he is the only player that has been voted player of the year thrice.

I hate to point this out to you, but that's a stat. Are you really this stupid?

No, it's a reflection of how the voting went. Given that Ryan Giggs only won player of the month for the first time very recently and that he's never won the player of the season award despite being the best left winger in the land for most of the last 12 years shows that such awards mean sod all.

Obispo wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:

And we don't need stats to prove henry is one of the best to have ever played in the EPL- he is the only player that has been voted player of the year thrice.

I hate to point this out to you, but that's a stat. Are you really this stupid?

Genuine lol right there.

Agooner wrote:

No, it's a reflection of how the voting went. Given that Ryan Giggs only won player of the month for the first time very recently and that he's never won the player of the season award despite being the best left winger in the land for most of the last 12 years shows that such awards mean sod all.

best left winger is not = best player in the country, got it?

I think we should do a test to determine who is more stupid.

And no, those awards are not a reflection of how the voting went but a reflection of who was considered by most the best in the country.

I will quote someone who would agree with almost everything u got to say about henry, TS: "he's been the best player in england for atleast the past three seasons".

SLB e Millwall wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:
Keane isn't even foreign, so that's a daft choice to begin with.

Keane's not foriegn? Well, not if your Irish, but, surely he is if your refering to the UK, or more especially the English premiership.